Tim Grover thinks traditional weight training needs to come back.

[QUOTE=DoctorP;14405709]Tim Grover singlehandedly turned Wade into a tank and killed his knees.[/QUOTE]

Kawhi was also relatively healthy in SA until he hooked up with Tim Grover. Constant injuries needing load management ever since.

[QUOTE=Artillery;14405831]Kawhi was also relatively healthy in SA until he hooked up with Tim Grover. Constant injuries needing load management ever since.[/QUOTE]


hmm.....

Maybe the injuries are due to the finesse game that the NBA has become - players aren't used to super-stressful motions and physical contact anymore - so the few times they experience it in today's game, they get hurt...

no one has a good theory as to why the injuries happen, so this theory is as good as any... :applause:.

Or it could be the spacing causing players to cover more ground defensively, while hands-off defense requires more legs..

Weight training is fantastic for bone density and health, etc.

In terms of injury prevention for muscles? Possibly.

Doing an exercise under load, for example 135lbs, then performing without load in a match is beneficial. Your body is accustomed to doing that motion with load, now when you perform, there is not that additional resistance. Likely to reduce injury.

Ask any physio, and they will tell you that injuries occur most frequently when introducing new exercises in a load bearing capacity to your schedule.

A mixture of weights and bands are fantastic.

The best area to focus on, and one of the main reasons I think Bron has been so bullet proof over his career, is that they focused on his core and hips early on in his career. Even in his hs days, he was doing core and hip mobility and strength.

I once trained with a trainer that had the 76'ers workouts word for word

i legit lol'd at that thing, dude had me jumping off a 3 foot high block to the ground and having me SLAM my feet into the ground. I asked him what the actual fck this was supposed to do and he compared it to karate and stated something about how it strengthens your legs like how karate people strengthen their fists etc. by punching boards etc.

I told him straight up, "i'm not doing this shit, what's next?"

dumbest shit ever, no wonder nba players joints are made of plastic.

Kobe wasn’t even 30, he was 28 in the summer of 2008

[QUOTE=Shogon;14056491]Dwight Howard
Blake Griffin
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwyane Wade

Off the top of my head...

Honestly I think players are just far heavier today which results in more injuries. There are, of course, exceptions...

I don't know. There seem to be far too many variable factors to be able to definitively narrow it down to 1 thing, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Dwight Wade and possibly Blake were on massive amounts of HGH

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14406565]Kobe wasn’t even 30, he was 28 in the summer of 2008[/QUOTE]

And he had already gone through two knee surgeries by then IIRC. One after 2003 and another prior to his '06 season I believe. Even with Tim as his trainer, his knees were bad and he needed to have one drained mid-Playoffs and then had to lose 20 pounds & go to Germany years later to extend his career.

He could barely jump during parts of the 06 season.

More weights were lifted in the '90s and '00s. I think players today are too slim jim.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14820077]More weights were lifted in the '90s and '00s. I think players today are too slim jim.[/QUOTE]

It's a iffy one.a more players hurt more then back then. Is it the lack of weight training or more the free movement so more tear on the body. Only isb will know

I thought it was pretty much universal knowledge that free weights are superior for strength training. I'm shocked that some NBA teams don't have weights availble to the players.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14406565]Kobe wasn’t even 30, he was 28 in the summer of 2008[/QUOTE]

For an Asian you are really bad at Math. Kobe was born in 1978. He just turned 30 during the 2008 off season.

You can say all you want about "functional training", but it's a fact that Crossfit, not weight training is where the injuries happen.

Soccer, not rugby, has the many, many knee and ankle injuries.

More muscle protects the ligaments and joints.

I will say one thing, I could imagine that steroid use without proper weight training could contribute to all these injuries. Steroids grow your muscles, but your ligaments, bones and joints don't grow with them.

When you weight train, you build a lot of supporting muscle, bone density and ligament tissue.

[url]https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/no-matter-your-age-or-skill-level-its-never-too-late-to-start-weight-training[/url]

[QUOTE]If done correctly, it also should help your bones, tendons, ligaments and muscles become stronger.
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If you're suddenly growing your hams and calfs to sprint and jump, but haven't built enough supporting tissue, bone density and so on, then it seems obvious you risk injury.

I can't help but think that this could be the case with some of the gnarlier injuries we've seen. These skinny guys like Paul George playing very athletically because of PEDs and their bones not being ready for the impact.

I was gonna make a new topic for this but remember this one….

This is what we’re doing now apparently


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I’m sure players today have the greatest core strength of all time but watching all these terrible games with stars sitting out I’m not sure how much practical good it does them. If you’re gonna do some unorthodox shit I think I prefer the Rocky montage old days shit

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Notice how college players don’t look anymore athletic than they were 30 years ago but NBA players do…

traditional weight training provides more pressure to the body, but still the risk factor haven't been answered.

lets say I still ask you to do the current crossfit exercises, but you're only allowed to do it in a hot room, and every time you look for extended amount of rest you'll have to leave the hot room. imagine the amount of proper care athletes are required to do in order to fully recover and enter the next training class.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14898244]I was gonna make a new topic for this but remember this one….

This is what we’re doing now apparently


[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/PFfNZM5/IMG-8314.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

That actually looks like a good exercise


Well it doesn’t look good but….you know what I mean

Oh im sure it’s grueling when you do it for a while. Looks like some of the weird shit my girlfriend’s trainer has her doing. Probably activates some of the same things as the old farm strength guys who didn’t lift weights but just lived a tough physical life.Im sure it serves a purpose.

The majority of injuries are overuse for these athletes.

By the way of poor movement habits built up like anyone. Do a squat - but you use more of a secondary support muscle than your glutes? Over time, it will impact you and give way, whether through a minor or major injury. Same goes for any other movement, load bearing or not.

Has nothing to do with bands or weights. Poor mechanics, or poor balance in muscles will always cause one muscle to pick up more slack where it shouldn't. Some guys are more prone to having certain muscles grow quicker than others which can accelerate this stuff. Have that done over 100s to 1000s of hours, and eventually something will happen by way of injury.

[QUOTE=plowking;14898403]The majority of injuries are overuse for these athletes.

By the way of poor movement habits built up like anyone. Do a squat - but you use more of a secondary support muscle than your glutes? Over time, it will impact you and give way, whether through a minor or major injury. Same goes for any other movement, load bearing or not.

Has nothing to do with bands or weights. Poor mechanics, or poor balance in muscles will always cause one muscle to pick up more slack where it shouldn't. Some guys are more prone to having certain muscles grow quicker than others which can accelerate this stuff. Have that done over 100s to 1000s of hours, and eventually something will happen by way of injury.[/QUOTE]

You're right but lifting weights - when done correctly - is the best way to create structural balance and develop ideal strength ratios. A personalized strength and conditioning program will screen for, identify, and address any imbalances that are negatively affecting movement.

And that's just one benefit. I know I don't need to tell you about the importance of strength and power development for athletes. If athletes truly are lifting weights less then that's definitely a problem, and I'm sure you'll agree.

Basketball is a sport filled with tall, long-limbed, skinny dudes who get by on their height, length, and skill developed from playing a lot. And most of those guys are agnostic to pumping iron; if they do try it they're usually not doing it correctly and get the wrong idea about it. That's how we end up with outdated ideas like lifting weights "stiffens you up" and "slows you down" and "hurts your shot."

But when it's implemented correctly? You get guys like Karl Malone, David Robinson, and Giannis Antetokoumpo. Supremely powerful athletes who can dribble the ball like guards and shoot well out to 20 feet - except for Giannis. But all the jacked-up players that can't shoot couldn't even before they put on mass.

testing. I'm gonna add absolutely nothing to the conversation here. yet somehow this action alone is enough to validify my importance and existance.