[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14147239]Butler this Finals > Kawhi last year[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14147239]Butler this Finals > Kawhi last year[/QUOTE]
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Jimmy Butler > Clyde Drexler.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14147012]Offenses are way better these days because talent pool, floor spacing, more picks and rolls, better shooters, no big man clogging lanes
AKA 10x harder offenses to defend. Lakers still remained an elite defense all year.
Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds, his physical strength destroys Clyde and that's what makes him a better athlete. But Clyde isn't on Kawhi's level, Clyde would get embarrassed by Kawhi like Butler did in 2019 playoffs. Clydes not even better then Butler, he never eliminated an MVP or had a finals performance like this.[/QUOTE]
butler averaged 22 against Kawhi
Clyde averaged 26 against mj and rodman (90' and 92' Finals), so he would get more against Kawhi with today's higher pace and drtg..
so the stats prove you wrong
[QUOTE=Axe;14147042]Doesn't make you any less dumb for calling the 2019 sixers the 'warriors of the east' tho[/QUOTE]
3 all nba level players, one 20PPG scorer, one 18PPG scorer
[QUOTE=tpols;14147204]22 PPG on 122 ORTG is really nice... but Clyde put up better than that volume and efficiency. I'm actually kind of blown away by Drexler's prime playoff efficiency and volume. He was scoring at a very elite level and was a great playmaker athlete and defensive player as well. He averaged 20+ PPG on 120 ORTG in 1995 championship run with clutch play to boot, and everybody acts like Hakeem carried scrubs. And he did it in an era where it was harder to get buckets. No way is Jimmy better than prime Clyde.[/QUOTE]
Butler has nobody close to Hakeem though. Bam is a non retard Montrezl Harrell an undersized slasher.
Don't forget butler has also gone through a brutal playoff run against bucks 1st defense, Celtics top 5 defense, Lakers top 5 defense and still has a 122 offensive rating.
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;14147015]Imagine getting your shit pushed in by a Khoking Kwhit stan:roll::roll::roll:[/QUOTE]
Imagine getting your shit pushed in by Jason Terry in the NBA finals
I understand how Trump got elected.
Close to full.
Drexler has higher scoring, rebound, and assist averages, and better athlete
it's not close.. Drexler was on the Barkley/Malone/Ewing level, aka 1st option Finals guys.. only the best were 1st option Finals guys in the 90's - butler isn't on this level (wouldn't be a top player in the 90's, aka < Ewing, Malone, etc... whereas Drexler was on their level
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14147217]Dumb[/QUOTE]
Name me a bigger upset. The team better have at least two starters and 40PPG missing.
[QUOTE=3ball;14147266]butler averaged 22 against Kawhi
Clyde averaged 26 against mj and rodman (90' and 92' Finals), so he would get more against Kawhi with today's higher pace and drtg..
so the stats prove you wrong[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Clyde only had a 51% TS during his first finals run. The pistons series his team got his ass kicked in 5 games, so he was just padding stats like 2017/18 LeBron pretty much.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14147278]Yeah but Clyde only had a 51% TS during his first finals run. The pistons series his team got his ass kicked in 5 games, so he was just padding stats like 2017/18 LeBron pretty much.[/QUOTE]
butler would get swept by mj, whereas Drexler gave him a tough series
Drexler is 20/6/6 for his career, while butler is 17/5/3
[QUOTE]Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds[/QUOTE]
Go to a gym and put 400-500 pounds on the leg press and try it. You might be surprised what normal people can leg press as a beginner.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14146907]1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan[/QUOTE]
Kawhi #1 of ALL-TIME? lol
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14147435]Kawhi #1 of ALL-TIME? lol[/QUOTE]
I'm convinced that poster is a mod. I've seen people get banned here for posting less offensive troll drivel.
Watching Butler's game 3 and it was so clear that it has NEVER been this easy to score. With the numbers he put up, you'd think he had one of the 5-10 best Finals games ever. But when you watch it, you're like...that's it? Literally nothing he did was super impressive by all time standards, or by superstar standards. Sorry. This is the truth.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14147304]Go to a gym and put 400-500 pounds on the leg press and try it. You might be surprised what normal people can leg press as a beginner.[/QUOTE]
Especially if you're athletic and have played ball or other sports your whole life. I never went to the gym in my life, but played basketball obsessively through my mid-20's and then 1-2 times per week until my early 30's until I hurt my back. When I started to work out at the gym several years later, I was immediately able to do 3 x 12 reps of 860 pounds on the incline leg press machine. I used to be able to rep out like 25-30 reps of 420 pounds on the horizontal leg press machine.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14147012]Offenses are way better these days because talent pool, floor spacing, more picks and rolls, better shooters, no big man clogging lanes
AKA 10x harder offenses to defend. Lakers still remained an elite defense all year.
Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds, his physical strength destroys Clyde and that's what makes him a better athlete. But Clyde isn't on Kawhi's level, Clyde would get embarrassed by Kawhi like Butler did in 2019 playoffs. Clydes not even better then Butler, he never eliminated an MVP or had a finals performance like this.[/QUOTE]
Offenses definitely aren't better. Just looks that way because of the rules. Allow guys to handcheck, body, fight through screens and contest shots and these Offenses woukd all of a sudden look much worse.
And im not sure where you got the info that kawhi squats 400 pounds but i dought thats true if he's only leg pressing 600. If you can squat 400 you should be able to leg press more than double that.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall;14148077]Especially if you're athletic and have played ball or other sports your whole life. I never went to the gym in my life, but played basketball obsessively through my mid-20's and then 1-2 times per week until my early 30's until I hurt my back. When I started to work out at the gym several years later, I was immediately able to do 3 x 12 reps of 860 pounds on the incline leg press machine. I used to be able to rep out like 25-30 reps of 420 pounds on the horizontal leg press machine.[/QUOTE]
Yea even in high school guys were doing 1000. Unless you’re on one of those rare weird machines that tries to kill you with the angle 600 pounds is light work even for lanky guys. Maybe not 6’8” lanky but still it isn’t enough to be bragging.
One of the few quality posts OP has made on this forum, but even a broken clock is right twice per day.
Anyway, the remarkable thing is that even though Butler is better than Drexler (by far the best player Jordan ever had to face on his position), Butler is at best the 4th, and possibly as low as 6th best SF LeBron had to go through in his career, after:
Durant
Kawhi
Pierce
Butler/George/Carmelo - not sure how to rank these
What a testament to LeBron's greatness!
Drexler peaked higher and had a better prime. Butler was never a top 5 player like Drexler was. Butler was underappreciated until recent weeks, though.
[B]Not true. Drexler was more of a complete player Butler was. He was a better scorer, rebounder, passer and about even defensively. He also would have looked bulkier if he did the weight lifting programs they have today.
Drexler' Less athletic? Thatīs crazy Drexler was one of the most athletic 6'7 ft guards ever! He was called "The Glide" for a reason[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemXo57pJrk[/url]
[B]Not true. Drexler was more of a complete player Butler was. He was a better scorer, rebounder, passer and about even defensively. He also would have looked bulkier if he did the weight lifting programs they have today.
Drexler Less athletic? Thatīs crazy! Drexler was one of the most athletic 6'7 ft guards ever! He was called "The Glide" for a reason[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemXo57pJrk[/url]
Prisoner of the moment topic.
HELL NAH! Drexler HANDS DOWN was better than Butler. Better scorer, rebounder, and passer. And one of the ULTIMATE freak athletes in NBA history. Along with MJ, he brought 6'6 and up freak athletic ability to the backcourt. Those types of players at that size and athletic ability were SF's traditionally. BUT MJ and Clyde were such complete players that u could play them in the backcourt. And hell play them at the PG, SG, or SF. I know Clyde's handles catch heat. But in terms of his passing ability and ability to carve up defenses with his slashing, he could be the primary facilitator.
Jimmy is easily the better defender. And when it comes to combining scoring, passing, rebounding, and defense AS A PACKAGE, Butler peak-prime wise is turning into a top 10 SG OR SF. Whatever position you list him as. I will give him that. But Drexler was the better player. Not on knock on Jimmy, but Clyde is a top 5 or 6 GOAT caliber SG. Peak-prime wise, he's right around that same level as well. But with this Finals run, Butler's HOF chances greatly increased. It appeared he was on track for a case to get in before. But now his chances went up substantially.
[QUOTE=Shooter;14146886]Duh[/QUOTE]
+1
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;14146959]Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.[/QUOTE]
bang!!
[QUOTE=Round Mound;14149045][B]Not true. Drexler was more of a complete player Butler was. He was a better scorer, rebounder, passer and about even defensively. He also would have looked bulkier if he did the weight lifting programs they have today.
Drexler Less athletic? Thatīs crazy! Drexler was one of the most athletic 6'7 ft guards ever! He was called "The Glide" for a reason[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemXo57pJrk[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah dunking 1 step inside the free throw line in a game is ridiculous. People sleep on how good Drexler was, Jimmy Butler is a ludicrous comparison.
Drexler was just the better basketball player.
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[QUOTE=ClipperRevival;14389124]Drexler was just the better basketball player.
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No
Butler would be lucky to average over 17 ppg back then even on average efficiency, but defensively he'd have been a beast back then with the rules in place
Drexler better but Butler a better overachiever since Clyde especially after MJ destroyed his psyche never really played up to his full potential. Butler achieved his full potential despite all the odds being against him
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;14146959]Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.[/QUOTE]
Ether
Just came back here to laugh again at the tittle. Lol. Thats all, bye
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14146907]1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan[/QUOTE]
:roll::roll::roll:
I needed that laugh this morning.
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;14146959]Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.[/QUOTE]
Body bagged
Wheels and his alts saying it's Butler. Rest of the world, Drexler.
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[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14146907]1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival;14389124]Drexler was just the better basketball player.
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If Drexler dunking from the free throw line makes him a better player than Butler then Blake Griffin is the best player ever.
And?
Drexler reg season stats:
[B]20.4 PPG, 6.1, RPG, 5.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, .472 FG%, .318 3PT%, .788 FT%, 21.1 PER, 1086 games[/B]
Drexler playoff stats:
[B]20.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.9 SPG, .447 FG%, .288 3PT%, .787 FT%, 145 games[/B]
Butler reg season stats:
[B]17.4 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 4.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, .458 FG%, .327 3PT%, .838 FT%, 20.9 PER, 633 games[/B]
Butler playoff stats:
[B]18.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.3 APG, .1.5 SPG, 443 FG%, .346 3PT%, .836 FT%, 80 games[/B]
The raw stats favor Drexler. And I know those saying Butler will say he peaked higher in the 2020 finals. But you can argue Drexler peaked just as high when he literally closed out the Jazz in the 1st round in 1995 when he went bananas in games 4 and 5 after being down 2-1. He averaged [B]36 PPG on 70%[/B] in those 2 games. And he's had other very impressive playoff series.
Drexler was "the man" on two finals teams and was the 2nd fiddle player on a championship winning team. So 3 finals appearances. He was 2nd in the MVP voting in 1992.
I give the edge in defense to Butler and maybe he was a tad better scorer in the half court but I always got the sense that Butler was underwhelming for large portions of his career and could've done more but didn't. You don't get points for potential but results.
Drexler was clearly more athletic, the better scorer, rebounder and passer. He was just better when you look at the overall picture. Now, Butler is still young and can add to his legacy but right now, it's Drexler.