Tom Brady is the most accomplished athlete in North American sports in the modern era

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14246095]Stats? Brady has those. Rings? Oh he has those too.[/QUOTE]

Who said he had none of those things? No one. Nice irrelevant reply. What was mentioned is Brady is the most accomplished based on Sb appearances, Sb wins and MVPS. Nothing more nothing less. That’s not true. I already listed people who accomplished just as much of not more. So now we have people trying to define what an athlete is and eliminating sports to boost Brady up. There are a lot of errors in people’s post. Error 1 is Brady is the greatest football player of all time which includes all positions. That’s false. Error 2 Brady won the more titles out of any athlete all time. That’s false. Brady may have the best resume out of any football player. But when you talk sports in general? Not even close. Unless you’re some weirdo that eliminates players because they aren’t the GOAT in their sport, you give sports tiers and boost football to tier 1.

How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Pele, Messi? How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Bill Russell? He’s not. Bill has 11 rings and 5 MVPS. But because people never said he was the goat he doesn’t qualify as the most accomplished athlete. Lol Even tho the premise of this thread was based on championship titles won and MVP awards collected. People in here moving the goal post left and right like Oompa Loompas

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14246101]How much money did you lose on the game last night?[/QUOTE]

None. Im not a retard who bets on sports.. that shit is for amateurs

I'm a miionaire investor, not a degenerate

[QUOTE=GOBB;14245944]Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.[/QUOTE]

Who?

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14246123]Who?[/QUOTE]

Read

LeBron would have accomplished more by the time he's finished

He's also a great IQ test for the human population.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14246313]LeBron would have accomplished more by the time he's finished[/QUOTE]

brady is the goat of football, but he only plays 50% of the game.

lebron has dominated basketball for 100% of the game.

[quote]If me saying Jerry rice, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Deion Sanders were better football players in the all time rankings has you upset? Sorry not sorry. Doesn’t make me a hater.[/quote]
Doesn't the GOAT football player have to be a QB? It's by far the most important position in the sport. Everything else is done by committee.

In my mind the only way one player can have more impact than a good QB is by going after the other team's QB. So I might spot you LT. But would you really take Jerry Rice over any of the 6 all-time greatest QBs?

[quote]How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Pele, Messi? How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Bill Russell? He’s not. Bill has 11 rings and 5 MVPS. But because people never said he was the goat he doesn’t qualify as the most accomplished athlete.[/quote]
There's a league parity factor with Russell, his league had 8 teams and Brady's has 32, and a salary cap, and free agency. Brady also has played almost twice as long.

But I agree with you, Brady isn't a tier 1 historical athlete in my mind. He's not Jordan or Ali. He's more like Lebron. Based on strength of resume you'll always have to include him, but those who were there know. He was mortal.

Brady is definitely GOAT football player. But from an absolute standpoint, its not really that possible for a football player to be as great as the greatest basketball players ever in my opinion. They just don't impact their game as much. They literally don't play one side of the ball and the outcomes of games are not as dependent on the individual brilliance of one player. Brady has super bowl wins where he wasn't even that relevant relative to your average QB. 1 of the 2 wins Peyton has came from him being almost a backup level QB. On the other hand, even when Jordan has a relatively bad finals, he's still arguably the biggest reason and/or at least played a part in the biggest reason (defense) that they won. And unlike in football, your best player can’t play the way Lebron played in the 2011 finals and still expect to win.

Furthermore, its not like Brady or any great football player has consistently been the best player in the league year in and year out from beginning to end the way Jordan and Lebron were. Brady has 3 MVPs. Peyton has 5 and Rodgers has 3 all occurring during Brady’s career.

From a relative standpoint, Brady is like Jordan and Lebron combined into one. He has the winning, clutch ability and leadership that Jordan had while also having the make anyone a contender ability and longevity that Lebron has.

[QUOTE=tpols;14246020]Yea Rudy Gobert is going to push Kareem Wilt Russell and Thurmond around. :oldlol: That's hilarious.


You realize Kareem did battle with Wilt and hung 35 on him right? Yet Rudy Gobert and JOKIC of all people, whose not even a good defender, are going to clown him... Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

:roll:

c'mon man

[B]Bill Russell played in a golden age of centers[/B]. Brady is playing in a golden age of QBs.[/QUOTE]

No he didn't, the 70's & 90's produced better centers.

My argument for Brady not being the GOAT athlete is simple...Brady only plays on offense, there were times when the Pats defense was the biggest reason they won, not saying Brady was carried but he has no say in defense unlike a basketball player like MJ who plays on an elite level on both the offense and defense. Tampa beat KC because that pass rush had Mahomes running for his life, Brady played well of course but against Green Bay, Rodgers outplayed him but Tampa's defense covered for Brady's numerous INTs in that game. Brady is a GOAT NFL football player but you can't compare him with other athletes who have to play defense and aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting for their turn on offense. KAJ is a more accomplished athlete than Brady in that regard, so is MJ and LeBron amongst others.

[QUOTE=guy;14246630]Brady is definitely GOAT football player. But from an absolute standpoint, its not really that possible for a football player to be as great as the greatest basketball players ever in my opinion. They just don't impact their game as much. They literally don't play one side of the ball and the outcomes of games are not as dependent on the individual brilliance of one player. Brady has super bowl wins where he wasn't even that relevant relative to your average QB. 1 of the 2 wins Peyton has came from him being almost a backup level QB. On the other hand, even when Jordan has a relatively bad finals, he's still arguably the biggest reason and/or at least played a part in the biggest reason (defense) that they won. And unlike in football, your best player can’t play the way Lebron played in the 2011 finals and still expect to win.

Furthermore, its not like Brady or any great football player has consistently been the best player in the league year in and year out from beginning to end the way Jordan and Lebron were. Brady has 3 MVPs. Peyton has 5 and Rodgers has 3 all occurring during Brady’s career.

From a relative standpoint, Brady is like Jordan and Lebron combined into one. He has the winning, clutch ability and leadership that Jordan had while also having the make anyone a contender ability and longevity that Lebron has.[/QUOTE]

This is a great point. Guys like Kareem, MJ, & LeBron were considered the best player in the NBA for a decade+, no NFL player has that type of dominance, at least from the QB position. Jerry Rice was probably considered a top 3 NFL player for a decade+, but at the end of the day he was only a WR, which limits his impact on a game.

[QUOTE=Clifton;14246626]Doesn't the GOAT football player have to be a QB? It's by far the most important position in the sport. Everything else is done by committee.

In my mind the only way one player can have more impact than a good QB is by going after the other team's QB. So I might spot you LT. But would you really take Jerry Rice over any of the 6 all-time greatest QBs? [/QUOTE]

Yes I would take Rice as well as Reggie White to add. The “important position” argument doesn’t fly when a QB is dependent on the OL. Perfect example is the previous SB. If anything that defense was the SB MVP not Brady. The chiefs were held to 9pts. No one saw that happening. Mahommes ran for his life the entire game.

I think the modern era started in 1981. Others think it's 1992. Still others lobby it started in 1998.

[QUOTE=Clifton;14246626]Doesn't the GOAT football player have to be a QB? It's by far the most important position in the sport. Everything else is done by committee.

In my mind the only way one player can have more impact than a good QB is by going after the other team's QB. So I might spot you LT. But would you really take Jerry Rice over any of the 6 all-time greatest QBs?


There's a league parity factor with Russell, his league had 8 teams and Brady's has 32, and a salary cap, and free agency. Brady also has played almost twice as long.

But I agree with you, Brady isn't a tier 1 historical athlete in my mind. He's not Jordan or Ali. He's more like Lebron. Based on strength of resume you'll always have to include him, but those who were there know. He was mortal.[/QUOTE]

LeBron is the greatest North American athlete when it comes to pure athletic talent

[QUOTE=CelticBaller;14247579]LeBron is the greatest North American athlete when it comes to pure athletic talent[/QUOTE]

I will say that he's definitely up there ... there are some NFL players and guys in other sports that are there as well but Lebron is an athletic freak

you wish boston scum :oldlol:but nice try

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1 starred btw

Another win for team white:cheers:

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