Tatum & Brown can't be your superstars. They do things to help their game not others

[QUOTE=ZionDunks;14262973]Ya. He took that over, took it from the loss column and put it in the w.

People will say well it was the wizards.[QUOTE]c[/QUOTE]

The Celtics have no one[/QUOTE]

He definitely created some shots there I would add.

[QUOTE=ZionDunks;14262973]Ya. He took that over, took it from the loss column and put it in the w.

People will say well it was the wizards.

The Celtics have no one[/QUOTE]

How did he look last night? 14 points 5/16 FG; 1/5 from 3pt in a W.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;14264905]How did he look last night? 14 points 5/16 FG; 1/5 from 3pt in a W.[/QUOTE]

Tatum's numbers swing depending on how good his shooting is on a given night. He is simply not versatile enough to create other avenues to score when his long shots dont go in.

His drive to the basket is almost always stolen or the ball tapped away from him. He does not finish strong on the drive unless it's wide open. He can't run the pnr smoothly. He can't find good opportunities for his teammates to score.

Essentially, the celtics are relying on having a good shooting night to win. If they dont, they lose. In a game 7 series they are not winning.

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14264930]Tatum's numbers swing depending on how good his shooting is on a given night. He is simply not versatile enough to create other avenues to score when his long shots dont go in.

His drive to the basket is almost always stolen or the ball tapped away from him. He does not finish strong on the drive unless it's wide open. He can't run the pnr smoothly. He can't find good opportunities for his teammates to score.

Essentially, the celtics are relying on having a good shooting night to win. If they dont, they lose. In a game 7 series they are not winning.[/QUOTE]
Factual facts my brother !! :cheers:

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14264930]Tatum's numbers swing depending on how good his shooting is on a given night. He is simply not versatile enough to create other avenues to score when his long shots dont go in.

His drive to the basket is almost always stolen or the ball tapped away from him. He does not finish strong on the drive unless it's wide open. He can't run the pnr smoothly. He can't find good opportunities for his teammates to score.

Essentially, the celtics are relying on having a good shooting night to win. If they dont, they lose. In a game 7 series they are not winning.[/QUOTE]

It’s weird though. They have some big signature wins. They are sneaky

lol

[QUOTE=SATAN;14920800]lol[/QUOTE]

Well OP would be correct if the Celtics were a typically constructed team.

The fact theyre a uniquely loaded roster makes the situation an exception.

If you replace Harden and PG with Tatum and Brown they also would have lost to the Mavs. Maybe even in fewer games.

Ah so now Boston is a superteam?

[QUOTE=tpols;14262460]They're fake news stars. I was very impressed with Tatum in his first year or two. But he doesn't have the competitive hatred you need to win. And like OP illustrated, [B]he has no playmaking or passing skill.[/B] Was never high on Brown. Fake intellectual, doesn't have the feel for the game like true elites. By contrast, Harden has one of the best feels for the game I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]

Three years later at age 26, he's the best playmaker on the team. Don't commit to what a player will be at age 22-23.

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14920810]Ah so now Boston is a superteam?[/QUOTE]

I think they're 1-5 is as good as there has been in several years. When completely healthy all of them are top 50ish players in the league. One guy in top 10, another top 15-20.

There is no weakness from anyone when discussing shooting, ball-handling/creating, and defense.

I don't know that "superteam" is the correct term because there isn't that mega top end star. But yes they are loaded.

I feel like its still too early to be bumping all the bullshit.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14921096]I think they're 1-5 is as good as there has been in several years. When completely healthy all of them are top 50ish players in the league. One guy in top 10, another top 15-20.

There is no weakness from anyone when discussing shooting, ball-handling/creating, and defense.

I don't know that "superteam" is the correct term because there isn't that mega top end star.[B] But yes they are loaded[/B].[/QUOTE]

RMWG does not agree.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14921098]RMWG does not agree.[/QUOTE]
I hate when idiots follow me around. I have been saying the Celtics are highly talented for years now. What you are incapable of understanding is that there is a difference between being highly talented and being one of the most talented teams of all time. If a team only gets one All-NBA player (I disagreed with that, but that's just my opinion) and no top 5 MVP candidate, just two All-Stars overall, how do they qualify as an All-time team? They could be Champions this year...there are 75+ NBA championship teams, all of them are not going to be All-time talented.

You being too stupid to understand this is your problem, not mine.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14921099]I hate when idiots follow me around. I have been saying the Celtics are highly talented for years now.[B] What you are incapable of understanding is that there is a difference between being highly talented and being one of the most talented teams of all time.[/B] If a team only gets one All-NBA player (I disagreed with that, but that's just my opinion) and no top 5 MVP candidate, just two All-Stars overall, how do they qualify as an All-time team? They could be Champions this year...there are 75+ NBA championship teams, all of them are not going to be All-time talented.

You being too stupid to understand this is your problem, not mine.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920239]This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.

The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. [B]Great team but not stacked.[/B][/QUOTE]

Nice backtrack.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14921100]Nice backtrack.[/QUOTE]
Where is the backtracking? You just proved that you have no understanding. It's unfair to expect me to fix the fact that you're stupid.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14921103]Where is the backtracking? You just proved that you have no understanding. It's unfair to expect me to fix the fact that you're stupid.[/QUOTE]

Went from saying they are not stacked to "they are not all-time great stacked".

Shameless.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14921106]Went from saying they are not stacked to "they are not all-time great stacked".

Shameless.[/QUOTE]
Nowhere am I contradicting myself. Do you struggle with the English language? You can't compete for an NBA championship without a high talent level. All-time great talent is a higher level than that, and the Celtics, as a team with 1 All-NBA player and no one in even the top 5 MVP votes. Which Celtics made the top 75 list, if this is one of the most stacked teams of all time? Because there are teams with multiple top 75 players.

Still don't understand my point? Then you're just stupid. Your problem, not mine.

I think their "stackedness" is fairly comparable to a team like the Bad Boys, although of course the approach and team construction is different. One guy bordering on elite but not quite up with the true top guys, another great swiss-army knife-type guy, and several role players each capable of being the best or most impactful guy on any given night.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14921110]Nowhere am I contradicting myself. Do you struggle with the English language? You can't compete for an NBA championship without a high talent level. All-time great talent is a higher level than that, and the Celtics, as a team with 1 All-NBA player and no one in even the top 5 MVP votes. [B]Which Celtics made the top 75 list,[/B] [B]if this is one of the most stacked teams of all time? Because there are teams with multiple top 75 players.

[/B]Still don't understand my point? Then you're just stupid. Your problem, not mine.[/QUOTE]

Are you really using this as a point? Their two best players are still in their 20's and you are taking away points for them not making a top 75 list that came out 3 years ago? When Tatum was 23 and Brown was 24 years old?

:roll:

You are dumber than I thought.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14921116]I think their "stackedness" is fairly comparable to a team like the Bad Boys, although of course the approach and team construction is different. One guy bordering on elite but not quite up with the true top guys, another great swiss-army knife-type guy, and several role players each capable of being the best or most impactful guy on any given night.[/QUOTE]

The Bad Boy Pistons are the exact team I used to compare these Celtics.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14921123]Are you really using this as a point? Their two best players are still in their 20's and you are taking away points for them not making a top 75 list that came out 3 years ago?

:roll:

You are dumber than I thought.[/QUOTE]
Which of them should be on the list then? Which of them was top 5 in the MVP voting? Who was the second AllNBA player this year? Was there a third allstar?

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14921116]I think their "stackedness" is fairly comparable to a team like the Bad Boys, although of course the approach and team construction is different. One guy bordering on elite but not quite up with the true top guys, another great swiss-army knife-type guy, and several role players each capable of being the best or most impactful guy on any given night.[/QUOTE]

Their synergy is more key than their total individual talent. Their synergy allows them to do 5 out. No one is a liability on either end which helps everyone else.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14921126]Which of them should be on the list then? Which of them was top 5 in the MVP voting? Who was the second AllNBA player this year? Was there a third allstar?[/QUOTE]

Porzingis, White, & Holiday are basically borderline All-stars. Like I said in the other thread, White got a lot of all-star hype this year, both Porzingis and Holiday were past All-Stars who are still in their prime.

And your "who was second all-nba?" statement is another lazy argument.

The '86 Celtics only had 1 All-NBA player
The '87 Lakers only had 1 All-NBA player

Seriously, you continue to make yourself look like a fool.

And I'm still laughing at the horrendous "Who made top 75?" statement. :roll:

So, no third allstar, only one AllNBA player, no one you are putting as one of the top 75. We're done.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14921132]So, no third allstar, [B]only one AllNBA player, [/B] no one you are putting as one of the top 75. We're done.[/QUOTE]

You admitted yourself that you didn't agree with them only having one.

We're done.

Op is such a moron.

To be fair to OP they had an entire starting lineup of All-Star caliber players + a former All-Star caliber player in Horford.

This is not a normal team throughout NBA history and I certainly doubt he figured they would be 5 All-Star worthy players deep when he made the thread. Who would? How many teams in NBA history have been?

I understand only two made the team, but come on, the level of play of the other 3 is certainly there or very close, which is extremely abnormal throughout league history.

op is a dumbass

Stevens wasnt confident either why he got porzingis and jrue. A lot of gms would’ve seen how close they were in 2022 and stood pat banking on internal improvement. Tatum and brown also improved and add on some fortunate matchups injury luck they didn’t even need porzingis but I like the moves

[QUOTE=Wardell Curry;14922006]To be fair to OP they had an entire starting lineup of All-Star caliber players + a former All-Star caliber player in Horford.

This is not a normal team throughout NBA history and I certainly doubt he figured they would be 5 All-Star worthy players deep when he made the thread. Who would? How many teams in NBA history have been?

I understand only two made the team, but come on, the level of play of the other 3 is certainly there or very close, which is extremely abnormal throughout league history.[/QUOTE]

Yup.

Brown and Tatum are GOOD players. All star caliber players, particularly as it pertains to the regular season. In the playoffs, they have GOOD moments.

But the fact the Boston Celtics won doesnt MAKE these guys top 5, top 10 type players. They're on a team where Al Horford is the SIXTH best player... and Horford's still really good. It's a great roster. Theyre part of what makes it great but they have more support than really any other star pairing I can think of ever.

If you swap Tatum and Brown with Irving and Doncic... Boston still wins, Dallas probably does not make it out of the second round.

You can be happy for these two, congratulate them, sing their praises for what they did well. You dont have to overrate them JUST because their team won the title this year.

OP is right, Holiday & White were the real MVPs for Boston all season and in the finals

Team would not have won shit without Oshae Brissett.