[QUOTE=insight;14273249]Vince Carter played in 3 different decades and says the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]
His opinion is not the end all be all.
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[QUOTE=insight;14273249]Vince Carter played in 3 different decades and says the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]
His opinion is not the end all be all.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14274066]This makes no sense. The NBA in the 1995, or 2005, or 2010, had the same.
Talented big men? What were KG, Duncan, Shaq, Wallace, Webber, Dirk, Mcdyess, etc? Or Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Moses, Kareem, Daughtery, Zo?
Three point marksmen? So Reggie, Steve Kerr, Hodges, or Ray Allen don't count? I agree that Steph beats them all, but he's just one guy. The idea that there were no marksmen is just false. It's just that volume is up with relaxed perimeter rules.
Slashing dynamos? You mean like Nique, Isiah, MJ, Iverson, Wade, Kobe, or TMac?
Midrange ballers? Umm, name a better midrange player than MJ. And what were guys like Clyde or Kobe? TMac had no midrange game or wasn't a "midrange baller"? How about Iverson?
Pick and roll savants? Who mastered it better than Stockton and Malone?
So the 80s, 90s, 00s, and presumably right up to 2014 as I mentioned was inferior?
Great....now show me your top 10 list of All-Time.
If it includes anyone from the first 60 years of basketball, then you just lied to yourself.[/QUOTE]
The modern era has the best collection of talent in NBA history.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14274073]The modern era has the best collection of talent in NBA history.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.[/QUOTE]
Give me your top 10 of all time. :lol
Well the refs absolutely still gamble on the games they’re calling. It’s not even a question. Calling bullshit fouls is a lot less conspicuous when guys are driving to the hoop instead of bucking 40-50 3’s a game.
Ignore the old heads. Game is fine. Crazy offensive skills on display every night. We’ve got a true team game with 5 offensive threats in the court and everyone with a green light. I know there are some bad games but overall, the quality is high.
The goat 3-point shooter
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jPPunfWiwp8&t=04m16s[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14274073]The modern era has the best collection of talent in NBA history.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.[/QUOTE]
How can you say that? Name one player that is like Shaq. Name one that can play like Iverson. You had all kinds of superstars in the 90s. All kinds. Every team had stars in NBA Jam. It was a wild, wild league full of legends.
[QUOTE=Walk on Water;14274250]How can you say that? Name one player that is like Shaq. Name one that can play like Iverson. You had all kinds of superstars in the 90s. All kinds. Every team had stars in NBA Jam. It was a wild, wild league full of legends.[/QUOTE]
According to him, it's not just the 90s that sucked and does not compare to today. It's the 80s and the 2000s as well. And by virtue of knocking the 80s-00s, then that must include the 60s and 70s as well.
So basically the league was trash until about 2014. Or at the very least, the league was inferior. Anyone from the first 60 years of the league couldn't possibly hang with today's guys. The players in the last 6 years have eclipsed every era. Though somehow, LeBron started in 2003, KD in 2007, and Chris Paul in 2005. Magically that era sucked too, so those players were inferior as well, right?
Oh wait, they're still playing and still thriving in the post-2014 era. Cognitive dissonance is really a thing.
I can’t argue what era has best players but it stands to reason that current players are more skilled because they learned from previous generations. Bron be GOAT because he takes from all the greats.
To me, the argument is whether current NBA is as entertaining as previous eras. That’s just a taste thing. To me, the modern rules and spacing give players a chance to show their skills better. Elimating all the wrestling of past eras is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Gimmedarock;14274142]Ignore the old heads. Game is fine. Crazy offensive skills on display every night. We’ve got a true team game with 5 offensive threats in the court and everyone with a green light. I know there are some bad games but overall, the quality is high.[/QUOTE]
True team game? Man what in the f*ck are yall watching? There's more ball dominant systems than ever. Teams put the ball in their best players hand and run a thousand pic and rolls because with these rules it's unstoppable. It works so well because defenders can no longer bust through screens so you either have to switch which usually puts a slow big on a quick gaurd or you can double the ball which leaves the screener open for the shot.
Honestly when i hear people talk about this generations advanced offenses i don't know wtf they're talking about
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[I]The NBA has taken "basketball" or sport out of the game (contested shooting)[/I]
Threes and layups is more of a technique, not a sport
It's not that there's no contested shot-making in today's game, but that's not what makes a team good anymore or gives them an advantage.
The no-spacing of previous eras [I]required[/I] contested shot-making, while today's format allows excessive spacing and an easier shot allocation.. the truth is that Zion will never develop that feathery mid-range touch because he doesn't have to - today's game allows him to attack the rim like beating a dead horse.
So the real skill and heart of the game (contested shooting) has been minimized as a factor, and now it's more like a running back that just needs the speed to shoot that gap (spacing).. the real skill aspect of basketball has been minimized.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?491374-The-NBA-has-taken-quot-basketball-quot-or-sport-out-of-the-game-(contested-shooting)[/url]
Take away 3 second violations in the key and defensive 3 seconds and you'll see bigs dominate once again. All it takes is a Shaq-like specimen to enter the ring and the dominos will fall.
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14273115]The numbers are down because there are more options out there for consumers (ex: Netflix).
The modern NBA is more exciting to watch. Guys like you who are in denial about that and want to relive the 90s are pathetic.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.[/QUOTE]
Good try but no. This is a wack excuse that people like you like to use but it makes no sense. nba ratings have been dropping for awhile now. Actually after the 90's as tv subscribers increased tv ratinga for the nba decreaaed.
and if that's true how come it hasn't hurt the nfl in the same way?
Again guys like you would rather let the nba burn than admit there's a problem. It dosnt matter how many current and ex players talk about it. Experts and league officials talk about it. Your the one who knows better because of your countless hours of watching the game on your coach. Shit Jesus could come back with James Naismith and say something and your ass would still be in denial.
Enjoy your trash product buddy. If ratings keep dropping Pretty soon it looks like you'll be the only one doing so.
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14272958]What a complete overreaction.
The product is way better than it was during the 90s/early 2000s.[/QUOTE]
something like 22 million people tuned into the all star game in 1992, something like 9 million tuned into it in 2004 ( the numbers are in that area without looking up the precise ones )
so how many tuned in to this years? You can't blame 2004 on social media and sports surge. Check mate you blatant troll, ban pls
todays nba is so bad that you got players from the mid 2000's era absolutely lighting it up in chris paul
even old man carmelo is havin a giggle at these insta hoe excuses for nba players
The modern game reminds me a lot of a mid-July AAU Bronze Bracket game: just a lot of running up and down the court as fast as you can and chucking the first open shot you see.
Yeah guys look really skilled, so did Yi when he was working out against a chair. The chair played more D that day than half the guys in the league right now.
Luka Doncic let the truth slip out when he said it's easier to score in the NBA. Obviously. That dude averaged 12 points per game his last year with Real Madrid and two years later scores 42 on the only team that pretends to have guys that know how to play defense. LaMelo Ball shot 28 percent from the field in Australia and mostly played like shit and ass, and is the leading contender for ROY a year later.
There has to be balance in any sport. When things get out of balance, people perceive it to be stupid. As they should.
The league is very much on the verge of being out of balance and there's really not a good answer besides changing the rules about what defenders can do on the perimeter, or change the math. Make the shot worth 2.5 points.
People come up with all these weird suggestions, but it's pretty simple and the article explains it:
Can't touch guards -> pick and roll -> guard drives easily -> weak side has to rotate -> pass to weakside -> swing for open 3.
That's literally the one and only offensive tactic.
High pick and roll, force weak side rotation, pass to weak side, 3 point shot or swing.
Over and over and over.
Of course, you have some shooters who can do more, Curry, Dame, some others.
They would not be bothered if we allowed more defense and eliminated defensive 3 seconds.
Thats literally all you need.
Eliminate defensive 3 seconds
Allow accidental contact on drives
Eliminate moving screens
According to NBA.com’s official statistics, the Brooklyn Nets and Utah Jazz — both first-place teams — are the only teams so far with a non-corner three-point percentage above 39 percent. However, half of the league shoots the corner three-pointer at 39 percent or higher. [URL="https://www.radio.com/sports/nba/daryl-morey-expects-nba-to-eliminate-or-adjust-corner-threes"]Evidently, it’s a little bit easier. So will the league do something about it? “I expect that to happen,” Morey said. “…A corner three is basically the same as getting a rim shot,[/URL] a medium-guarded rim shot, which is sort of insane when you factor in fouls and everything else. So yeah, it’s too big of a positive.”
– via [URL="https://www.radio.com/sports/nba/daryl-morey-expects-nba-to-eliminate-or-adjust-corner-threes"]radio.com[/URL]
[URL="https://www.radio.com/sports/nba/daryl-morey-expects-nba-to-eliminate-or-adjust-corner-threes"]Daryl Morey: “I mean, I would be fine if we could reconstruct arenas, having the court be wider, push the line back and keep the corner three.[/URL] Well, it’s just you’d have to change out arenas and… I mean, it would take like 25 years.”
– via [URL="https://www.radio.com/sports/nba/daryl-morey-expects-nba-to-eliminate-or-adjust-corner-threes"]radio.com[/URL]
[URL="https://www.radio.com/sports/nba/daryl-morey-expects-nba-to-eliminate-or-adjust-corner-threes"]“A three-pointer is such a devastating shot, especially if it’s a high percentage shooter,” Morey said, adding that he thinks it may be creating a one-dimensional game. “I don’t think it’s less aesthetically pleasing,[/URL] but I think as someone who’s really into games and winning in general… you can tell a game that’s not well-structured is when there’s only like one path to victory. Everyone knows it, and you know, we’re getting there in the NBA.”
– via [URL="https://www.radio.com/sports/nba/daryl-morey-expects-nba-to-eliminate-or-adjust-corner-threes"]radio.com[/URL]
[QUOTE=Walk on Water;14274250]How can you say that? Name one player that is like Shaq. Name one that can play like Iverson. You had all kinds of superstars in the 90s. All kinds. Every team had stars in NBA Jam. It was a wild, wild league full of legends.[/QUOTE]
Embiid is more skilled than Shaq (not necessarily better though, but he is better than most 90s bigs). There are several guards who are similar to AI and/or better than he was (Curry, Harden, Dame, Kyrie for example).
You have all kinds of superstars nowadays. It is wild league full of legends.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14274357]According to him, it's not just the 90s that sucked and does not compare to today. It's the 80s and the 2000s as well. And by virtue of knocking the 80s-00s, then that must include the 60s and 70s as well.
So basically the league was trash until about 2014. Or at the very least, the league was inferior. Anyone from the first 60 years of the league couldn't possibly hang with today's guys. The players in the last 6 years have eclipsed every era. Though somehow, LeBron started in 2003, KD in 2007, and Chris Paul in 2005. Magically that era sucked too, so those players were inferior as well, right?
Oh wait, they're still playing and still thriving in the post-2014 era. Cognitive dissonance is really a thing.[/QUOTE]
KD, LeBron, and CP3 are outliers. They would be amazing in any era.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14274402]Good try but no. This is a wack excuse that people like you like to use but it makes no sense. nba ratings have been dropping for awhile now. Actually after the 90's as tv subscribers increased tv ratinga for the nba decreaaed.
and if that's true how come it hasn't hurt the nfl in the same way?
Again guys like you would rather let the nba burn than admit there's a problem. It dosnt matter how many current and ex players talk about it. Experts and league officials talk about it. Your the one who knows better because of your countless hours of watching the game on your coach. Shit Jesus could come back with James Naismith and say something and your ass would still be in denial.
Enjoy your trash product buddy. If ratings keep dropping Pretty soon it looks like you'll be the only one doing so.[/QUOTE]
Your justifications are wack as shit.
More Americans like football. That's just the reality of things.
IMO the product was trash before the modern era. Just because some folks don't like the current product, doesn't mean that it is bad. It's really just a matter of personal preference.
[QUOTE=paksat;14274440]something like 22 million people tuned into the all star game in 1992, something like 9 million tuned into it in 2004 ( the numbers are in that area without looking up the precise ones )
so how many tuned in to this years? You can't blame 2004 on social media and sports surge. Check mate you blatant troll, ban pls[/QUOTE]
There are more options for consumers nowadays.
Checkmate, ya dumbass pinhead.
[QUOTE=paksat;14274446]todays nba is so bad that you got players from the mid 2000's era absolutely lighting it up in chris paul
even old man carmelo is havin a giggle at these insta hoe excuses for nba players[/QUOTE]
CP3 is an outlier. He would be great in any era.
Carmelo is not dominating lol.
Removing the freedom of movement and bringing back hand checking would be a great start
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14274073]The modern era has the best collection of talent in NBA history.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.[/QUOTE]
lol not even close :roll:
These kids are so clueless in transition and have skillsets that would have been obsolete in earlier periods
It's more "different" than anything else but definitely not better than what it used to be
[QUOTE=Mr.GOAT2408;14276316]Removing the freedom of movement and bringing back hand checking would be a great start
lol not even close :roll:
These kids are so clueless in transition and have skillsets that would have been obsolete in earlier periods
It's more "different" than anything else but definitely not better than what it used to be[/QUOTE]
kenneth griff you back?
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/L6bm3DB4/Kennygriffy-wedding-day.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14276271]Your justifications are wack as shit.
More Americans like football. That's just the reality of things.
IMO the product was trash before the modern era. Just because some folks don't like the current product, doesn't mean that it is bad. It's really just a matter of personal preference.[/QUOTE]
Dude your an idiot. Of course more Americans like football that's irrelevant though. Their numbers haven't dropped as dramatically as the nba. If what you were saying was true about streaming services being the reason the nfl would see a similar drop.
And it's not about personal preference. The nba is manufacturing offense by restricting defense. This is to appeal to young casual viewers who don't really watch games anyway. They'll just catch the highlights and tweet something not clever. The nba turned off alot of it's viewing fan base for a generation who Don't watch games.
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14276270]KD, LeBron, and CP3 are outliers. They would be amazing in any era.[/QUOTE]
And MJ isn't? Or Hakeem? Shaq? Duncan? Malone? Magic? Bird? Isiah? Reggie? GP? etc?
[video=youtube;lc8a_nbVd64]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc8a_nbVd64[/video]
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14276269]Embiid is more skilled than Shaq (not necessarily better though, but he is better than most 90s bigs). There are several guards who are similar to AI and/or better than he was (Curry, Harden, Dame, Kyrie for example).
You have all kinds of superstars nowadays. It is wild league full of legends.
Take off the nostalgia goggles.[/QUOTE]
Embiid is has all the tools but when comparing him to the 90's bigs Shaq, Hakeem, DRob, Ewing all ahead of him. He's in the top tiers of the Alonzo Mourning category which is no slight but he needs to prove he can lead a team deep into the playoffs.