It's time to admit the 16' Warriors weren't that good & simply had strategy because..

If the '16 Warriors weren't all that great and it was just strategy, then why couldn't anyone else beat them?

Why is it that no one else caught up to their super special strategy but the Cavs?

And why is it, if it's really about the strategy, that they couldn't win a critical game 5 without Draymond?

And who cares? They were the winningest team ever. Aside from winning it all, they cleaned the league. And LeBron beat them. That's their legacy.

This guy...tryna to play Steph like a 2k Steve Kerr cheat strategy...
I'd have my point guard shoot 11 3's a game too if he made 45% of them. You can't just "strategize" that.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299656]Yeah, Klay didn't miss a significant chunk of time in 2019 or anything. And yes, the Warriors proved by losing in the literal final minute of Game 7 of the Finals they [I]needed[/I] a top 3 player in the league :lol They could've never made up that one or two play difference they lost by without him[/QUOTE]

Great insight.... 1 ****ing play goes their way and theyre totally validated. It doesn't and they suck and need MVP help. This is after already winning 67 games and a ring the year before. Word.

[QUOTE=dawsey6;14299683]If the '16 Warriors weren't all that great and it was just strategy, then why couldn't anyone else beat them?

Why is it that no one else caught up to their super special strategy but the Cavs?

And why is it, if it's really about the strategy, that they couldn't win a critical game 5 without Draymond?

And who cares? They were the winningest team ever. Aside from winning it all, they cleaned the league. And LeBron beat them. That's their legacy.

This guy...tryna to play Steph like a 2k Steve Kerr cheat strategy...
I'd have my point guard shoot 11 3's a game too if he made 45% of them. You can't just "strategize" that.[/QUOTE]

His 1998 chicago bulls almost lost to the 1998 indiana pacers. A team that was not a better team than any of the Warriors team from.2015 to 2019

73 wins > 72 wins.

Deal with it.

[QUOTE=Smoke117;14299633]And here’s the clown who thinks Iggy was a better player on the Warriors than Curry. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

What's so special about him?

2015 - iggy won finals mvp

2016 - draymond carries curry in the finals and they still lose. Curry chokes

2017/2018 - Durant finals mvps

2019 - draymond is best player vs Harden/Paul and then curry chokes in finals again

[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14299721]What's so special about him?

2015 - iggy won finals mvp

2016 - draymond carries curry in the finals and they still lose. Curry chokes

2017/2018 - Durant finals mvps

2019 - draymond is best player vs Harden/Paul and then curry chokes in finals again[/QUOTE]

In all the above cases Curry drew the attention so that they could be open. You think the Cavaliers are going to guard Draymond over Curry? Isn't that what they should do if Draymond was really the better player? Tank commander of a 15-win team Draymond is probably bound for the Hall of Fame due to his good fortune in landing Steph as a teammate.

Steph created points for these guys that he gets no credit for. Remember that next time you compare stats. Take a quarter of Draymond's offensive stats and add them to Curry's and you get a closer approximation of what Steph really does.

I actually agree with OP. Replace Curry, Klay, and Draymond with Hersey Hawkins, Larry Hughes, and Zydrunas Ilgaskus. Now THAT'S a superteam

OP would kill himself if he ever was permanently banned from "talking basketball" online.

3ball cant even get tpols on his side when it comes to curry lol. Response here is simple dray was so much better in 2016 when he was an all-nba caliber player to what he is now which is a nice starter. he has very little value offensively now and though still good is no longer a dpoy level guy. Losing klay is only half of it, oubre is also a net negative. Wiggins has been a pleasant surprise but still not a big positive player, iggy was significantly more impactful.

The overlooked thing in this thread also is that wiseman is a huge negative because he's so young. 3ball doesnt watch any games so he thinks he's been good scoring 11.5 in 20 min but that's deceiving. He's part of all their worst lineups and kind of clueless on both ends.

The difference between him and bogut is comical but even if warriors just played mostly looney, that would help a lot. for steph's sake, I think they should consider a wiseman trade for a more proven center though he has a lot of potential(christian wood is a good idea and cheap)

yes they were not they good

they just broke all the records and won 73 games magically

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=And1AllDay;14299928]yes they were not they good

they just broke all the records and won 73 games magically

:oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Yep, had nothing to do with how good the team was, it was all thanks to

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/26hkhHMHwnnUqL8TC/giphy.gif[/IMG]

MJ famously never benefited from advanced strategy and coaching :hammerhead:

Curry only needed Klay and Dray to win 73 :bowdown:

[QUOTE=hateraid;14299861]I actually agree with OP. Replace Curry, Klay, and Draymond with Hersey Hawkins, Larry Hughes, and Zydrunas Ilgaskus. Now THAT'S a superteam[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't forget about the great mo williams and boobie gibson here.

[QUOTE=Axe;14300031]You shouldn't forget about the great mo williams and boobie gibson here.[/QUOTE]

And ancient Ray Allen!!!!

[QUOTE=3ball;14299529]Klay doesn't turn this borderline playoff team into a 73-win team, so it was just the strategy edge that the league caught up to.

The 16' Warriors style is now the league standard

So Curry is just a 3-point shooter that benefits from the format and the 16' Warriors weren't that good - they just had a short-lived strategy edge and needed KD to actually win

Btw, don't pretend the other pieces like Harrison Barnes were the difference.. system bums like Dray and other role players thrived under the new strategy advantage but now look bummy without the strategy edge
.[/QUOTE]

lol

The Curry\Draymond warriors are who we thought they were. They probably dominate the 90s like Jordan\Pippen did because they wouldn't have to play a Kawhi Leonard in the finals.

Durant is just a coward who jumped on the bandwagon, it would be like shaq signing with bulls after 1996 hahahahaha

5 months later, Curry goes from just a 3 point specialist who NEEDS Durant to win championships to a top 5 player of all time and ranked higher than KD :lol

He managed to even top his Giannis flip flop, no easy task

73 beats 72

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Most of you guys don't even have him in your top 10... :yaohappy:

3ball has an awful lot of current players in his top 10. Not a good look for MJ’s competition

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Most of you guys don't even have him in your top 10... :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the gerbil was around top 50 in your list or so not more than a year ago.

[QUOTE=Axe;14479193]Pretty sure the gerbil was around top 50 in your list or so not more than a year ago.[/QUOTE]


Think how much I've improved.... :pimp:

How much have you improved... :kobe:

[QUOTE=3ba11;14479206]Think how much I've improved.... :pimp:

How much have you improved... :kobe:[/QUOTE]
You mean the way you keep on deceiving us? Ah ok. :durantunimpressed:

[QUOTE=Axe;14479209]You mean the way you keep on deceiving us? Ah ok. :durantunimpressed:[/QUOTE]


No, I've actually improved.... as in I provided criteria for my top 10, which you won't see anyone do

For example, we saw Melo make the top 75 because of scoring prowess despite never winning jack shit, while Pippen made it because of ring count and not scoring (the opposite of what Melo made it for)...

Then Lillard is chosen for no reason over Kyrie, who actually won and had historic performance against the only unanimous league MVP in history - whereas I believe Curry destroyed Lillard but I have to go check..

So there was zero criteria for anyone's list, while I provided clear-cut criteria for mine, aka only players that know how to win should be included (organic) - that's a pretty good criteria right?... Knowing how to win matters right?... And then of course guys that can carry teams without super-teams or 1b's (10 ppg more than teammates in PO & Finals).

So LeBron beat a 73 win team and a top 5 player ever in '16. Got it.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14479212]No, I've actually improved.... as in I provided criteria for my top 10, which you won't see anyone do

For example, we saw Melo make the top 75 because of scoring prowess despite never winning jack shit, while Pippen made it because of ring count and not scoring (the opposite of what Melo made it for)...

Then Lillard is chosen for no reason over Kyrie, who actually won and had historic performance against the only unanimous league MVP in history - whereas I believe Curry destroyed Lillard but I have to go check..

So there was zero criteria for anyone's list, while I provided clear-cut criteria for mine, aka only players that know how to win should be included (organic) - that's a pretty good criteria right?... Knowing how to win matters right?... And then of course guys that can carry teams without super-teams or 1b's (10 ppg more than teammates in PO & Finals).[/QUOTE]

Aka: I’m a 40 something year old who’s been raped so many times on an Internet forum that I changed so much to continue getting the clicks because I adore the attention.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14479213]So LeBron beat a 73 win team and a top 5 player ever in '16. Got it.[/QUOTE]


Yes and this top 5 player is ranked above Lebron because of the following factors:


[Indent]1) [I]Lebron only knows how to team-hop, while Curry knows how to WIN (organic)[/I]... The latter requires adjusting to young teammates and developing them, which is possible for elite jumpshooters that allow the ball to move, and tougher for ball-dominators that reduce everyone to spot-up roles..

2) [I]Curry can carry teams, aka without super-teams or 1b's (10 ppg more than teammates in PO & Finals while winning a ring)[/I]... Curry can carry the scoring load on the Finals level because elite jumpshooting skill is a more viable way of scoring than ball-dominance, which wins less at high scoring volumes.

3) [I]Curry's elite jumpshooting skill yields far better teams with less help, aka higher team ceilings/Finals records[/I]

4) [I]Curry had greater impact on the game of basketball than Lebron and the way it's played[/I].. Jordan turned it from a big man's game to a perimeter player's game, while Curry turned it from 2's to 3's.[/Indent]

[QUOTE=3ball;14299555]Strategy doesn't need talent to win

That's the whole point

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the first-movers in the 3-point game looked amazing regardless who was out there..

Or maybe you think klay can actually go 31-1 by himself[/QUOTE]

so then LBJ should win every game right?

[QUOTE=3ba11;14479215]Yes and this top 5 player is ranked above Lebron because of the following factors:
[/QUOTE]

From being One-dimensional and not being better than Maravich to top 5 ever in a matter of months. lol.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14479232]From being One-dimensional and not being better than Maravich to top 5 ever in a matter of months. lol.[/QUOTE]
Curry was literally the most overrated player in history 5 months ago :oldlol:

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history[/URL]

lmao, 3ball getting absolutely wrecked in his own thread.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14479234]Curry was literally the most overrated player in history 5 months ago :oldlol:

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history[/URL][/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=SATAN;14479235]lmao, 3ball getting absolutely wrecked in his own thread.[/QUOTE]
Single most destroyed poster in ISH history is between him and Kenneth. No one else comes close. Euroleague at least was funny and unique

[QUOTE=SATAN;14479235]lmao, 3ball getting absolutely wrecked in his own thread.[/QUOTE]

Its getting ugly in here

[QUOTE=3ba11;14479212]No, I've actually improved.... as in I provided criteria for my top 10, which you won't see anyone do

For example, we saw Melo make the top 75 because of scoring prowess despite never winning jack shit, while Pippen made it because of ring count and not scoring (the opposite of what Melo made it for)...

Then Lillard is chosen for no reason over Kyrie, who actually won and had historic performance against the only unanimous league MVP in history - whereas I believe Curry destroyed Lillard but I have to go check..

So there was zero criteria for anyone's list, while I provided clear-cut criteria for mine, aka only players that know how to win should be included (organic) - that's a pretty good criteria right?... Knowing how to win matters right?... And then of course guys that can carry teams without super-teams or 1b's (10 ppg more than teammates in PO & Finals).[/QUOTE]
More lies as usual.