1 Title in 11 Years for the Franchise that you originally played for ...

Lebron has proven he can’t carry a team. He is a born failure

East career

No Jones no chip

West career

No AD no PO

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311218]Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

[U]# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer[/u]
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning[/QUOTE]

It's just 2 ez bois

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So what you are saying is that he won more than 1 title for the franchise that drafted him in less than 11 years?

Bron left the team that drafted him hanging dry TWICE. And its his damn hometown team

Just imagine what he would do if it wasn't lololol

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14390884]It's just 2 ez bois

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Shooter was the GOAT of this forum.

Lol at the self-proclaimed king needing to move from one team to another.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14391072]Shooter was the GOAT of this forum.[/QUOTE]

Such low standards. Shame

bringing a title to cleveland is what created legit GOAT discussion.


bringing one championship to cleveland is like winning 3 rings in LA. kyrie and wiggins/love would've been first round exits every single year if lebron didn't decide to return to ohio.



how many players in NBA history brought a title to their hometown?

[QUOTE=Gudo;14391237]Lol at the self-proclaimed king needing to move from one team to another.[/QUOTE]

Giannis just did better than this.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;14311132]God, you are clearly retarded[/QUOTE]

Says the LeBron fan.... LOL.

titles brought to their hometown:


lebron: 1
jordan shaq bird magic kobe duncan combined: zero

Giannis stuck around and got a title quicker for the franchise that drafted him.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14311001]Ben Wallace a 4x DPOY and then Shaq a 3x Finals MVP and 1x league mvp.

Billups won a title with Ben Wallace, while Kobe and Wade won titles with Shaq.

Also had Carlos Boozer, Big Z as well (allstar before Lebron ever came and allstar in Lebron's 2nd year)[/QUOTE]

This man really out here giving 3ball a run for his money for most idiotic LeBron hater on the forum.

[QUOTE=deathawaitu;14311194]Lebron has proven he isn’t the main guy you can win championship with

He is best as a 2nd option

He does well when he hides behind irving and AD[/QUOTE]

Posts like this are really curious to me. It is stating that LeBron proved he couldn't win a championship as the number one option and that he had to hide behind Irving and AD.

And yet despite this, he not only was the number one option on BOTH occasions that he won titles with them on, he also has two others in Miami where he was the clear cut number one option.

I just don't even know. I don't. I don't know how some of you are able to get up in the morning and do basic shit like brush your teeth. I have a hard time believing you know how when you make posts like these.

Really hope that people like op eventually develop some common sense and self awareness

[QUOTE=SaintzFury13;14416249]This man really out here giving 3ball a run for his money for most idiotic LeBron hater on the forum.[/QUOTE]

How so? Those are all facts.

so there was actually a time in the franchise period where it's value wasn't carried by the league, but by performance?

This is really embarrassing for some all time great. Every other All Time Great in the top 25 did better than that and many went to losing organizations as well.

So how often do Kings jump from enemy to enemy?

And lose battle after after battle?

This KING, would have been dead before the 2010s, if he was indeed a king

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14478005]so there was actually a time in the franchise period where it's value wasn't carried by the league, but by performance?[/QUOTE]

All the time, you need to take a franchise that drafted you to titles without leaving them and joining forces with proven winners.

Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14524626]Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1[/QUOTE]
Kawhi conference finals appearances in the last two years? 0

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14524633]Kawhi conference finals appearances in the last two years? 0[/QUOTE]


Learning to win (organic) entails learning to produce without the offense revolving around you, which elevates teammates.

Kawhi took this knowledge of how to win to Toronto and easily won the weak East with Lowry despite facing Giannis/Middleton (better comp than Lebron ever had in the East).. Imagine Lebron winning with Lowry - everyone would say it was the biggest carry-job in the world.

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he never learned how to win (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).. So he never made anyone better - he simply amassed enough talent to win (all-star game strategy), which loses to organic ball movement (lottery record vs Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14524626]Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1[/QUOTE]

Kawhi has more titles for the franchise that drafted him in less years than Lebron has. Prove me wrong!

Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.

[QUOTE=Thenameless;14524683]Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.[/QUOTE]

Solid post

[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14521453]So how often do Kings jump from enemy to enemy?

And lose battle after after battle?

This KING, would have been dead before the 2010s, if he was indeed a king[/QUOTE]

Curry did much better than this and they play in the same era and he was even predicted to be that good.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14524625]All the time, you need to take a franchise that drafted you to titles without leaving them and joining forces with proven winners.[/QUOTE]

technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=r15mohd;14619728]technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
So basically like kobe too.

[QUOTE=Thenameless;14524683]Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.[/QUOTE]

punish who exactly...him or fans? Kawhi is enjoying a hefty contract while on his couch

[QUOTE=r15mohd;14619728]technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

There is a difference, Kawhi would have played for whomever.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311002]Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait[/QUOTE]

1st post slay. Still no response. I win again as usual I win every argument I am undefeated on ISH.

1 Championship in 70 years for Cleveland....man's a legend

[QUOTE=John8204;14620220]1 Championship in 70 years for Cleveland....man's a legend[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311002]Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait[/QUOTE]

Shaq won 3 finals mvp and a league mvp. Ben Wallace won 4 DPOY. Lebron played with that in Cleveland.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14625625]Shaq won 3 finals mvp and a league mvp. Ben Wallace won 4 DPOY. Lebron played with that in Cleveland.[/QUOTE]

they're desperate boys :roll:

Need an answer on each thread below.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url]

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2[/url]


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED[/url]

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2[/url]
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14[/url]
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url]

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster[/url]
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10?[/url] Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]


Devin Booker broke Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482[/url]

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season[/url]
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats[/url]

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600[/url]


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry[/url]

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360[/url]


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac[/url]
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming[/url]

[url]https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James[/url]
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

[url]http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html[/url]


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371[/url]

[IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311002]Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait[/QUOTE]

Shaq won league mvp, Russell Westbrook won league mvp and Lebron couldn’t win with either.

1 title in 11 years for franchise that drafted you.:facepalm