Curry is the most overrated player in history

[QUOTE=3ball;14321496][B]NBA.COM STATS: [I]PLAY TYPE[/I][/B]

[Url=https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/spot-up/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=1]Spot up[/url]........... 20-27% of plays
[Url=https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=-1]Off-Screen[/url]........ 2-8% of plays



In previous eras, it's probably reversed - more off-screen than spot-up..

High screen, drive-and-kick didn't exist in the 90's.. D'Antoni started it, and the Warriors added wrinkles and made the strategy sophisticated - now it's the standard of the whole league.

The drive-and-kick starts the ball movement, so guys like Curry can pad their 3-point attempts and get easier scoring opportunities than if their wasn't spacing strategy.[/QUOTE]
So you gave the NBA numbers. Not Stephs.

You’re making a blind inference based on something you truly don’t know. Steph is different

[QUOTE=tpols;14321493]Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.[/QUOTE]


It's pretty stupid to pretend that today's offensive strategies don't get Curry and [U]all[/U] of today's players more threes

Curry's attempts went from Reggie Miller level to much higher around 2014 when the league strategy changed to a 3-point contest.

It's like you guys don't understand basketball at all - you think guys just started taking more threes because they felt like it???... It was designed, aka coaching...aka X's and O's... That's why today's game is a 3-point contest

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14321504]He isn't better than mj offensively. Curry has 2 scoring titles mj has a shit ton. Mj scored more in the playoffs and finals in a way tougher defensive era. He has no argument what so ever against mj.[/QUOTE]
MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.

[QUOTE=3ball;14321508]It's pretty stupid to pretend that today's offensive strategies don't get Curry and [U]all[/U] of today's players more threes

Curry's attempts went from Reggie Miller level to much higher around 2014 when the league strategy changed to a 3-point contest.

It's like you guys don't understand basketball at all - you think guys just started taking more threes because they felt like it.. It was designed, aka coaching...aka X's and O's... That's why today's game is a 3-point contest[/QUOTE]

People can actually hit 3s in this era, unlike the 90's where they had to shorten the 3 point line cause of lack of shooting. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14321514]People can actually hit 3s in this era, unlike the 90's where they had to shorten the 3 point line cause of lack of shooting. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy

[QUOTE=3ball;14321518]So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile in the 90's...

[video=youtube;jsjukb2NttM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM[/video]

[QUOTE=3ball;14321172]He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.[/QUOTE]
high IQ post

Curry's game is based on timing and guile, so he doesn't actually need to be more athletic or whatever OPs beef is with his offensive game. Of course the strategy has boosted his numbers, but with that skill he would be effective in any era and in any style. There is nothing bad about maximizing the strenghts of a player who can lift your team to greater hights. They did that with Jordan too with the triangle.

Op mentally toast

Right now NBA teams take an average of 35 threes a game. Back in 2013, when Steph started doing his 8, they were are 20.

There is a lot of evidence that Steph created the increase in 3s taken leaguewide. Not the other way around.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14321586]Right now NBA teams take an average of 35 threes a game. Back in 2013, when Steph started doing his 8, they were are 20.

There is a lot of evidence that Steph created the increase in 3s taken leaguewide. Not the other way around.[/QUOTE]


At 5 threes a game, Steph is a 19 ppg scorer

At today's ridiculous volume - whether he got there first or not - he's a 30-point scorer

And there's another way to see that Curry is overrated - he's a veteran champion, yet he only led his team to an 8 seed - guys like 18' Lebron would've led his 05' Cavs to the 4 seed for sure.. Or 91' Jordan probably wins the title with his 89' team

[QUOTE=3ball;14321617][B]At 5 threes a game, Steph is a 19 ppg scorer
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At today's ridiculous volume - whether he got there first or not - he's a 30-point scorer

And there's another way to see that Curry is overrated - he's a veteran champion, yet he only led his team to an 8 seed - guys like 18' Lebron would've led his 05' Cavs to the 4 seed for sure.. Or 91' Jordan probably wins the title with his 89' team[/QUOTE]
This isn't relevant though.

The point is that he is the greatest shooter of all time, and 5 threes per game is not going to be a realistic number of shots for a guy like that any any era where the 3pt line exists. The fact that he got there first is a HUGE part of the equation. Why wouldn't he have gotten there first in 1997? No era is holding a shooter like that down. Particularly since it isn't just pure accuracy that makes him great (off ball movement, handles, release, general craftiness with his shot selection). There are many factors that you are ignoring.

How can somebody make thousands of posts hating on a guy for being ball dominant and a poor shooter, but then turn around and say the least ball dominant and best shooter of all time is overrated? We hear this clown say MJ is the GOAT because he scored off ball and allowed for dynasty teamwork, but then when Chef does it better than him, he's a scrub? The inconsistency in this fellas arguments is almost unbelievable.

when tpols the GOAT ducker of "do you think clips beat lakers?" debunks your stuff, its time to stop.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14321629]This isn't relevant though.

The point is that he is the greatest shooter of all time, and 5 threes per game is not going to be a realistic number of shots for a guy like that any any era where the 3pt line exists. The fact that he got there first is a HUGE part of the equation. Why wouldn't he have gotten there first in 1997? No era is holding a shooter like that down. Particularly since it isn't just pure accuracy that makes him great (off ball movement, handles, release, general craftiness with his shot selection). There are many factors that you are ignoring.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Curry INSPIRED today's more efficient style. He didn't copy cat it. He made it. I could see a case to be made if there was no 3pt line in MJs era, but there was. He simply took all the curls and fades people used to use to get midrange jumpers and applied it 30 feet. Alien technology. Its like hating on people for using computers instead of stone tools. Catch up fella.

It depends how you look at it. I think he's overrated in this era because he's not as good as Kawhi, Lebron, Durant.

However, in the 90s I can see him having a case over any player not named Jordan.

His main problem is he has 0 finals mvps, small dick curry is what they call him in the biggest moments hahahhaa he's like harden with better teammates.

I figured OP would prefer curry over Magic Johnson because his obsession over usage/PPG/shooting.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14321629]This isn't relevant though.

The point is that he is the greatest shooter of all time, and 5 threes per game is not going to be a realistic number of shots for a guy like that any any era where the 3pt line exists. The fact that he got there first is a HUGE part of the equation. [B]Why wouldn't he have gotten there first in 1997? [/B]No era is holding a shooter like that down. Particularly since it isn't just pure accuracy that makes him great (off ball movement, handles, release, general craftiness with his shot selection). There are many factors that you are ignoring.[/QUOTE]


Good response

but Curry is a result of an evolution that can't be sped up.

Curry is a result of a steady trend towards 3-pointers that began when the line was insituted in 1980 - every year the 3-point attempts increased until some puny kid decided that's [U]all[/U] the game should be about.. that couldn't happen before Curry, otherwise it [U]would've[/U] happened.. Curry is the natural evolution that occurs when you paint an arbitrary line on the court to "spice up" the game... That evolution can't be sped up..

Btw, assuming Ja Morant doesn't have a coming out party at Curry's expense, Donovan Mitchell will completely obliterate Curry.

Did you see how Mitchell played in last year's Playoffs? GOAT level (36 ppg and 34 PER)

And he was just getting started.. Curry is about to run into a buzz saw

Dwight Howard >>>> Isiah Thomas. Imagine losing 3 years in a row to a top 40 player that's the best player on that Pistons team.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14321490]Op is a certified goof[/QUOTE]

Warriorfan, defend Curry's honour a little more passionately against this clown.

Curry is a top 12 player of all time in my estimation.

[QUOTE=3ball;14321518]So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy[/QUOTE]

The way 30 points was scored in 1960 was different than it was in 1990 and now in 2020. Its gonna be different again in 2050. The problem, as with most of your arguments, is you define greatness solely by how MJ did everything, when there are multiple paths to being great. There are multiple paths to being a great scorer. In todays game the 3 pointer has become a larger part of it than years past. It's not better or worse than before, it's just different. Basketball doesn't need gatekeeping. If the current product ain't for you, then go watch cricket or something

i'll say it steph's the best player in the league(apologies to jokic). Obviously you're confirming your previous claim that you havent watched games in years by saying steph just waits for catch and shoots. His 3 pointers went up because strategy changed and he got better too.

Again, someone needs to check your eyes if you think he was the same player in 2012 compared to now. He became a better shooter, guys can go from bad shooters to good shooters, why cant he go from a great one to the GOAT shooter. Just having the stamina to move around so much for 40min a game took a lot of hard work on his end, he has maybe the best endurance in the league.

[QUOTE=3ball;14321518]So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy[/QUOTE]

Speaking of dumb you continue to ignore the fact that Curry used to share the backcourt with chucker Monta Ellis.

In Curry's first 3 seasons (playing with Ellis) he attempted under 5 3s per game. After Ellis got traded his attempts went to 7.7.

playing help defense off of curry is just dumb, so the people guarding that drive and kick have theirselves to blame.

let em' score as much as possible from inside the 3 point line, but never ever help even if another man's dude is driving free to the rim.

even when playing curry man to man I would literally stay on him at and above the 3 point line and leave open'ish drives to the basket for him. He's not dropping for 40 shooting 2 pointers and going for lay-ups.

Literally every single poster on ISH knows that OP is certifiably insane :lol

OP hope you take up my offer on getting those therapy sessions you desperately need.

[QUOTE=paksat;14321683]playing help defense off of curry is just dumb, so the people guarding that drive and kick have theirselves to blame.

let em' score as much as possible from inside the 3 point line, but never ever help even if another man's dude is driving free to the rim.

even when playing curry man to man I would literally stay on him at and above the 3 point line and leave open'ish drives to the basket for him. He's not dropping for 40 shooting 2 pointers and going for lay-ups.[/QUOTE]

You underestimate how good Curry is at finishing at the rim.

Curry's % shot at the rim with just a guard on him is > than his semi contested 3 point shots. You can't just let him go for a layup attempt and you are half a step behind him.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14321685]You underestimate how good Curry is at finishing at the rim.

Curry's % shot at the rim with just a guard on him is > than his semi contested 3 point shots. You can't just let him go for a layup attempt and you are half a step behind him.[/QUOTE]

I'm really not though, he's gonna make either shot so might as well be a 2.

[QUOTE=paksat;14321683]playing help defense off of curry is just dumb, so the people guarding that drive and kick have theirselves to blame.

let em' score as much as possible from inside the 3 point line, but never ever help even if another man's dude is driving free to the rim.

even when playing curry man to man I would literally stay on him at and above the 3 point line and leave open'ish drives to the basket for him. He's not dropping for 40 shooting 2 pointers and going for lay-ups.[/QUOTE]

well that's why they set so many screens for him offball to get him open. you can overplay the 3pt line and he can still get open with some creativity and screening help. 2:37 is classic 2 man game with him and dray [url]https://youtu.be/rxdqVMp71wo?t=157[/url]. also he might not score 40 but he can score 30 off mostly 2s. Giving wide open layups is never a good strategy even vs curry.

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14321693]well that's why they set so many screens for him offball to get him open. you can overplay the 3pt line and he can still get open with some creativity and screening help. 2:37 is classic 2 man game with him and dray [url]https://youtu.be/rxdqVMp71wo?t=157[/url]. also he might not score 40 but he can score 30 off mostly 2s. Giving wide open layups is never a good strategy even vs curry.[/QUOTE]

I agree it sucks as a strategy, but at this point you have to do something drastic.

I would just take him out of the game as much as I can, and i'm aware he's gonna still be getting his points. But what they're doing right now just isn't gonna cut it. Maybe just double team him every time he gets the ball and frustrate him in that regard. Teams used to do that to Tmac back in the day afterall.

[QUOTE=paksat;14321701]I agree it sucks as a strategy, but at this point you have to do something drastic.

I would just take him out of the game as much as I can, and i'm aware he's gonna still be getting his points. But what they're doing right now just isn't gonna cut it. Maybe just double team him every time he gets the ball and frustrate him in that regard. Teams used to do that to Tmac back in the day afterall.[/QUOTE]

well teams have tried the double team him as often as possible. Lakers tried that in the 1st half but warriors role guys shot well. It really wont work if klay's good at all next year.

[QUOTE=3ball;14321637]Good response

but Curry is a result of an evolution that can't be sped up.

Curry is a result of a steady trend towards 3-pointers that began when the line was insituted in 1980 - every year the 3-point attempts increased until some puny kid decided that's [U]all[/U] the game should be about.. that couldn't happen before Curry, otherwise it [U]would've[/U] happened.. Curry is the natural evolution that occurs when you paint an arbitrary line on the court to "spice up" the game... That evolution can't be sped up..[/QUOTE]

If someone like Curry wouldn’t have existed in the 60s because of the basketball philosophy then maybe the philosophy was wrong.

Every form of life as we know it has evolved to become more efficient. Thought has evolved to include more information.

Only in this instance is evolution apparently a bad thing. I’m admittedly annoyed by certain aspects of the game now but you don’t have much to go on.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14321655]

The way 30 points was scored in 1960 [B]was different[/B] than it was in 1990


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It's the same because players weren't getting an extra point for shots in 1960 or 1990 - threes didn't exist in the 60's and few people took them in 1990.

The game was never meant to be a three-point contest

There's nothing wrong with admitting to this devolvement of the game

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14321707]well teams have tried the double team him as often as possible. Lakers tried that in the 1st half but warriors role guys shot well. It really wont work if klay's good at all next year.[/QUOTE]

I wonder what playing a 3-2 zone vs him would do. We used to do this in the ABA against teams that liked to shoot 3's. At first I laughed at it and thought the coach, and owner that advocated it, were stupid because it's literally never used at NBA or college levels.

BUT that was before everyone started shooting 3's at the insane rate they do now. It turns out it worked really well too, to the point where after 2 games of seeing it I changed my mind about it. It's weak to a big man or any kind of mid range scorer, but it does cover the perimeter extremely well.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14321709]If someone like Curry wouldn’t have existed in the 60s because of the basketball philosophy then maybe the philosophy was wrong.

Every form of life as we know it has evolved to become more efficient. Thought has evolved to include more information.

Only in this instance is evolution apparently a bad thing. I’m admittedly annoyed by certain aspects of the game now but you don’t have much to go on.[/QUOTE]



Curry didn't get there first - Ray Allen, Gilbert Arenas, Quinton Richardson, Peja and numerous guys were taking 7 or 8+ threes per game long before Curry did..

So Curry simply came along at a time when the league strategy was shifting to a 3-point format [i]that spaced out defenders and yielded open looks consistently[/i].

80% of today's threes are open, including 70% of Curry's, according to NBA.com.. Otoh, Reggie Miller didn't benefit from spacing strategy, so he always had a defender attached to him (like when he had to shove Michael Jordan to get open for the winner in the 98' ECF).

[QUOTE=RRR3;14321511]MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.[/QUOTE]

So one regular season in the easiest scoring era ever is worth more than all of mj's better post seasons? Most in a much tougher scoring era? I disagree but we're splitting hairs. They're both atg scorers

[QUOTE=RRR3;14321511]MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.[/QUOTE]


Jordan was skilled at basketball, so he could shoot contested 2-pointers, and therefore whenever he wanted.

Otoh, Curry can't shoot whenever he wants because he's just a 3-point shooter (not really a ballplayer)

Shooting contested 2’s is low iq

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14321785]Shooting contested 2’s is low iq[/QUOTE]


Without the 3-point line or strategy, players were forced to take contested two's

2-pointers is real basketball.. 3-pointers aren't

[QUOTE=3ball;14321788]Without the 3-point line or strategy, players were forced to take contested two's

2-pointers is real basketball.. 3-pointers aren't[/QUOTE]

Shooting contested 2’s is low iq

[QUOTE=3ball;14321788]Without the 3-point line or strategy, players were forced to take contested two's

2-pointers is real basketball.. 3-pointers aren't

Anyway, you'll be envying Donovan Mitchell's 2-point ability should he meet Curry later on (he will destroy Curry)[/QUOTE]

Shooting contested twos is a sign of bad basketball. Bad passing and skill