Tell me what makes Kobe Bryant better than Bradley Beal or Devin Booker

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14341998]Kobe is not tougher? Kobe can play through pain. Lebron gets paralyzed by the fkn AC breaking down. Kobe never backed down from guarding lebron many times in their careers. Lebron has better longevity, that I give him.[/QUOTE]I never mentioned Lebron. I was comparing Kobe to Booker and Beal. And for the record I don’t think Lebron is tough at all. Kobe was tougher than Lebron for sure.

[QUOTE=DOUBLE DRIBBLE;14342011]I never mentioned Lebron. I was comparing Kobe to Booker and Beal. And for the record I don’t think Lebron is tough at all. Kobe was tougher than Lebron for sure.[/QUOTE]

Lol, my bad. Missed the point that this is vs beal and booker. Still, I would give toughness to kobe. Booker and beal have ways to go, lets see what they have to offer.

superior defense & playmaking

y'all dumb as ****

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Isn't Kobe also much more clutch than those 2?

same thing that makes kobe better than tmac


results


everyone in the nba can make shots. but not everyone can turn those shots into a top 5-10 all time resume

[QUOTE=kenneth_griffin;14342170]same thing that makes kobe better than tmac


results


[B]everyone in the nba can make shots. but not everyone can turn those shots into a top 5-10 all time resume[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, including 12be :lol

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14341300]Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.[/QUOTE]

One of the big differences is on defense. Kobe much better than those two.

[QUOTE=Objectivity;14341599]jesus fking christ, autisticwater with complete meltdown[/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14342176]Yes, including 12be :lol[/QUOTE]

I dunno I think at worst he can be ranked 10th. at best 2nd. and most have him 5th or 6th

all time rankings don't really matter to me though because Jordan's always gonna be #1 no matter how great lebron and kobe fans think their guy was

ask kareem/Russell fans how that served them after retirement

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14342176]Yes, including 12be :lol[/QUOTE]what is your top 10 that leaves kobe out of it?

[QUOTE=kenneth_griffin;14342194]I dunno I think at worst he can be ranked 10th. at best 2nd. and most have him 5th or 6th

all time rankings don't really matter to me though because Jordan's always gonna be #1 no matter how great lebron and kobe fans think their guy was

ask kareem/Russell fans how that served them after retirement[/QUOTE]

No one has him 5th or 6th bro. Come on Kenneth. ESPN had him 12th. Bleacher Report 12th. Real GM had him 12th as well. 12be isn't just a trolling thing (although it is a little funny). I give credit for Kobe having a better Finals opponent (2010 Boston) than any of MJ's best Finals opponent but he wasn't very efficient and advanced metrics hate Kobe.

[QUOTE=outofstomach;14342203]what is your top 10 that leaves kobe out of it?[/QUOTE]

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/BvT6zRfP/Real-GM-top-100.png[/img]

Pretty easy to do that...

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14342176]Yes, including 12be :lol[/QUOTE]

Kobe is top 10 deal with it.

Bran's demise has OP more unhinged than usual. Hate to see it.

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14342229][img]https://i.postimg.cc/BvT6zRfP/Real-GM-top-100.png[/img]

Pretty easy to do that...[/QUOTE]

Russell, Chamberlain had PRIMITIVE outdated skills. Larry Bird is overrated so is Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14341300]Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.[/QUOTE]

Why am I not surprised a dipshit like yourself would have a thread like this. :facepalm

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14342229][img]https://i.postimg.cc/BvT6zRfP/Real-GM-top-100.png[/img]

Pretty easy to do that...[/QUOTE]

Left out iverson... not to be taken seriously

[QUOTE=Cold soul;14342300]Kobe is top 10 deal with it.[/QUOTE]

Man, y'all need to let this shit go. All-time rankings are highly subjective and MJ is the only GOAT, the 2-15 range is all highly debatable, depending on what your criteria and bias is.

Don't compare the stats or shooting skill!
Here is the facts:
At 20-21 years old, Kobe was as good as 32-33 years old Pippen,( if not better) and Pippen was considered one of the best ONE year earlier!
At 21, Kobe schooled San Antonio team with Duncan and Robinson in it!
Prime Kobe at 27,28, Kobe schooled 21-22 years old Lebron head -up( 06-08 seasons).
At 31-32 Kobe won Championships and considered still top two players in the NBA neck to neck to Lebron!
And at 35 years old, Lebron is still one of the best players and people still think he's better than those players you mentioned!

Connect statements above and you will see how different Kobe is from Beal and Booker!

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14342352]Man, y'all need to let this shit go. All-time rankings are highly subjective and MJ is the only GOAT, the 2-15 range is all highly debatable, depending on what your criteria and bias is.[/QUOTE]

I do let it go what do you mean. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Cold soul;14342362]I do let it go what do you mean. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

No sense in trying to argue with Kobe haters, they'll never put him in the top 10 and that's just how it is. All these "all-time lists" are made by a small number of people and most of them probably never picked up a basketball.

There are levels to skill. Like footwork, operating from the triple threat, back to the basket, pulls ups, handles, etc. Kobe was literally like a 100. The other two are like a 85. Kobe's skills were on point and had no more room to improve.

Not to mention, he was taller and at his physical peak, more athletic and could go over the top of bigs, something those guys could rarely do. Not to mention, an elite defender and won rings and showed he was clutch.

OP, for real? I know you Bronistas are upset, but thus is ridiculous even for you stans.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival;14342397]There are levels to skill. Like footwork, operating from the triple threat, back to the basket, pulls ups, handles, etc. Kobe was literally like a 100. The other two are like a 85. Kobe's skills were on point and had no more room to improve.

Not to mention, he was taller and at his physical peak, more athletic and could go over the top of bigs, something those guys could rarely do. Not to mention, an elite defender and won rings and showed he was clutch.[/QUOTE]

Kobe was bullshit in the clutch.

Absolute trash.

Booker and Beal far outdo him in that category.

If the argument really ****ing is „levels to skills“, I won.


It seems there is nothing from a production standpoint that Kobe does more for the team than Beal or Book.

All 3 operate the exact same way.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14342506]Kobe was bullshit in the clutch.

Absolute trash.

Booker and Beal far outdo him in that category.

If the argument really ****ing is „levels to skills“, I won.


It seems there is nothing from a production standpoint that Kobe does more for the team than Beal or Book.

All 3 operate the exact same way.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiously, would you also say Booker & Beal are on the same level of Wade, Durant, Kawhi etc?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14342510]Out of curiously, would you also say Booker & Beal are on the same level of Wade, Durant, Kawhi etc?[/QUOTE]

Wade career wise because he dropped so hard, but not prime Wade.

Kawhi no. Kawhi is a level above here.

KD is also a more efficient player but a serial choker and underschiever outside of Olympian teams, so he becomes a little hard to assess in a historical/ATG point of view, but in a vacuum obviously a much better player.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14342522]Wade career wise because he dropped so hard, but not prime Wade.

Kawhi no. Kawhi is a level above here.

KD is also a more efficient player but a serial choker and underschiever outside of Olympian teams, so he becomes a little hard to assess in a historical/ATG point of view, but in a vacuum obviously a much better player.[/QUOTE]

Deflecting Bran's failures by comparing Kobe to fringe stars?

:roll:

Overall athleticism, ball handling in a big way.

Book is kind of out of his depth here.

Offensively Beal is damn Kobe-ish. Still not the raw athlete though. Finishing lacking. At least as good of a pure shooter but not as good as a tough shot maker.

Defensively it’s whatever. Kobe is better than them but not in a huge way at all. Offensively he blows them out. Especially Book.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG;14341306]What does one of the best perimeter defenders of all time do better than 2 nikkas that don't D up. Makes sense a retard made this thread. Besides maybe shooting the 3 they do literally nothing better and Kobe had garbage spacing in his prime compared to players now. He was one of the 5 most complete halfcourt players ever and could do it all in the halfcourt in any action

remember we're in the most inflated era ever. An era where a 5'6 midget averaged 29/6 on 63 TS% and led a 1 seed and was top 5 in MVP voting[/QUOTE]

One of the best perimeter defenders of all-time, lol.

People like Matisse Thybulle, Nate McMillan, and Tony Allen have existed, and Kobe is what, one of their peers?

Kobe wasn’t a better defender than Fisher in any of his title years.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14342506]Kobe was bullshit in the clutch.

Absolute trash.

Booker and Beal far outdo him in that category.

If the argument really ****ing is „levels to skills“, I won.


It seems there is nothing from a production standpoint that Kobe does more for the team than Beal or Book.

All 3 operate the exact same way.[/QUOTE]

I don't like restricting the definition of clutch to "late and close" game situations.

From a production standpoint? You can run an offense through kobe. You can let beal shoot a lot. That difference says it all. When it comes down to one possession whether it's the end of the game or to stop the game from getting out of hand with 7 minutes left in the second quarter, the higher you go on the GOAT list... the better chance you have at converting a bucket when you need it and everyone in the arena knows it. Beal aint that. Booker is only 24. I'm not making any judgements on him right now.

This thread is disgracefully moronic in every sense of the word.

OP with a bad meltdown here.

Why do Lebron stans struggle with feeling secure about Lebron's legacy? I'm a big Bron fan, but he and the Lakers losing already in the playoffs doesn't all of a sudden take Lebron out of the top 3 players of all time.

You should stop stanning so you can actually enjoy watching basketball.

[QUOTE=999Guy;14342549]Overall athleticism, ball handling in a big way.

Book is kind of out of his depth here.

Offensively Beal is damn Kobe-ish. Still not the raw athlete though. Finishing lacking. At least as good of a pure shooter but not as good as a tough shot maker.

Defensively it’s whatever. Kobe is better than them but not in a huge way at all. Offensively he blows them out. Especially Book.[/QUOTE]


Yet both of them blow Kobe out the water when it comes to scoring efficiency.

Kobe never shot 47%.

Book has done that and better for 2 years running now.

Beal did it for 2 seasons at high volume + another at just fringe all-star volume.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14342619]Yet both of them blow Kobe out the water when it comes to scoring efficiency.

Kobe never shot 47%.

Book has done that and better for 2 years running now.

Beal did it for 2 seasons at high volume + another at just fringe all-star volume.[/QUOTE]


If they played in Kobe’s era they wouldn’t be shooting over 47%

[QUOTE=TAZORAC;14341527]None really..Booker and Beal are actually better 3 point shooters, but Kobe had a better post game.

[B]If Beal had a O'neal type of player his first 3-4 years he'd have a championship as well.[/B]

And you'll never get a legit answer other then "YOU NEVER WATCHED KOBE"[/QUOTE]


I'm sorry, did you watch Beal play the first 3 or 4 years of his career? You're comparing that to Kobe?

:facepalm


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probably the worst thread in ISH history

kobe had zero weaknesses on offense, zero

besides his shot selection being borderline retarded, he had really good everything.

[QUOTE=paksat;14342676]probably the worst thread in ISH history

kobe had zero weaknesses on offense, zero

besides his shot selection being borderline retarded, he had really good everything.[/QUOTE]

Of course. But Kobe's retarded shot selection is what also made him great, but unlike Beal and Booker, he could also run the triangle better than Pippen ever did.

And this is coming from Phil Jackson, regarding a 22 y.o Kobe

[QUOTE]"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of looking for that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times," Jackson said. "So it was very important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now.
"And I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it."
Jackson was quickly asked for a clarification. That includes Michael Jordan?
"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."[/QUOTE]

You can add Mitchell to this, by the way....



the answer is still nothing.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14348004]You can add Mitchell to this, by the way....



the answer is still nothing.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

Stop it.