Bladefd -"No one has died from the COVID vaccine" Oh really?

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14386246]I think most people are under the impression that the numbers are the numbers, and that covid has been kept down due to restrictions.

Same as with herd immunity, people think now that it can only be achieved through vaccine.[/QUOTE]

They believe it has been "kept down" in the US by an unknown amount (could very well be ~zero), for an unknown goal over an unknown timeframe, by restrictions that have no positive correlation in Covid-19 outcomes in the US and models off sometimes by factors of 300x.

[url]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1399868103140556801.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14386264]The first question I asked was regarding the logic behind your statement. The second question was for you to clarify what you mean by "we're going to die anyway." You didn't address either question.

We just pointed out "the medical field" (aka the gov't) counts deaths within 28 days of a positive test as a death from Covid. Do you think this type of death counting factors in "similar hypothesis testing" and "abnormal"?

Look at more than one factor when determining if the vaccine is safe? I just pointed out the effectiveness and safety using the CDCs own data. According to their opinion, it is safe and effective in children. Do you think it's safe and effective in children?

Personal opinion? Whether or not something is "safe" [I]is[/I] personal opinion, no? Even the cause for someone's death is debatable and involves opinion, no?[/QUOTE]

I never said we are all going to die so who cares. I mean that some of the people that died after the vaccine had an unknown condition that would have killed them within days anyway. I'm not even talking about them getting into a car accident. I'm talking about undiagnosed medical conditions. There were people walking around that dropped dead before the pandemic. It happens every day. Even if the vaccines have killed some people that still would not be a good argument against vaccines. If you can save 100,000, but it doesn't save 10 people, you keep using the vaccine.

Your point on safety is pretty easy to answer. The number is arbitrary but I imagine it would be a number that is far lower than 1 percent. 1 percent of people don't die from a common cold. I don't think 1% died from any flu in the last 80-100 years. 1% is a significant amount of deaths for a flu. We want to see that number more in line with what the numbers said before the pandemic.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14386281]Your point on safety is pretty easy to answer. The number is arbitrary but I imagine it would be a number that is far lower than 1 percent. 1 percent of people don't die from a common cold. I don't think 1% died from any flu in the last 80-100 years. 1% is a significant amount of deaths for a flu. We want to see that number more in line with what the numbers said before the pandemic.[/QUOTE]

Ah, ok. I thought you said "we're going to die anyway" in regards to the fact that many who had a positive Covid test were going to die anyway.

Not sure where you're getting the 1% number from, nor exactly how you're applying it when you say "1% is a significant amount of deaths for a flu."

The % of the world population who has died with/from Covid-19 over the past 18 months is ~4 million (approximately 0.05% of world population). Important to note that the median age of death, however, is above average life expectancy and 80% of the deaths occurred in people over the age of 65. This is very different than something like the Swine flu, which killed upwards of approximately 575,000 worldwide and 80% of the deaths occurred in people under the age of 65.

But nobody here cared about influenza just as nobody cared about the 16 million who die every year from infectious diseases. So keep in mind that when we compare it to influenza / deaths by infectious disease we're comparing it to something nobody cared/cares about.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14386281]We want to see that number more in line with what the numbers said before the pandemic.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by "we want to see that number?"

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14386331]Ah, ok. I thought you said "we're going to die anyway" in regards to the fact that many who had a positive Covid test were going to die anyway.

Not sure where you're getting the 1% number from, nor exactly how you're applying it when you say "1% is a significant amount of deaths for a flu."

The % of the world population who has died with/from Covid-19 over the past 18 months is ~4 million (approximately 0.05% of world population). Important to note that the median age of death, however, is above average life expectancy and 80% of the deaths occurred in people over the age of 65. This is very different than something like the Swine flu, which killed upwards of approximately 575,000 worldwide and 80% of the deaths occurred in people under the age of 65.

But nobody here cared about influenza just as nobody cared about the 16 million who die every year from infectious diseases. So keep in mind that when we compare it to influenza / deaths by infectious disease we're comparing it to something nobody cared/cares about.


[B]
What do you mean by "we want to see that number?"[/QUOTE][/B]

Society. It's never going to zero. There is an acceptable number though. The problem is no one every says what that is. That's one of my biggest problems with the way politicians handle this. Where is the science? What number of deaths is okay? I think it's whatever the current death rate was for a common seasonal flu.

Big Pharma eating good off of sheep like Blade :lol

You got to give credit where credit is due these people know how to exploit people for money

I wonder if they will introduce a yearly subscription for booster shots soon:lol

Pfizer telling patients that a third shot is necessary....:oldlol:


Blade already in line.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14387241]Pfizer telling patients that a third shot is necessary....:oldlol:


Blade already in line.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

bladef@gd on his knees with his mouth open "oh yes daddy, gimme some more"

This nonsense needs to end already. Anyone who was gonna take the vaccine has taken it already. Those who haven't most likely wont. Scare tactics and free donuts aren't going to work.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14387241]Pfizer telling patients that a third shot is necessary....:oldlol:


Blade already in line.[/QUOTE]


Govern me harder daddy!:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14387241]Pfizer telling patients that a third shot is necessary....:oldlol:


[B]Blade already in line.[/B][/QUOTE]
:roll::roll::roll:

Incoming post about Donald Trump.

An entire thread devoted just to me!

Conservatives on ISH:
[IMG]http://karissaknoxsorrell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dead-poets-society1.jpg[/IMG]

Me:
[IMG]https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luscf7KWvD1r03eggo2_r2_500.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=bladefd;14387751]An entire thread devoted just to me!

Conservatives on ISH:
[IMG]http://karissaknoxsorrell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dead-poets-society1.jpg[/IMG]

Me:
[IMG]https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luscf7KWvD1r03eggo2_r2_500.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You got their asses on a leash

[QUOTE=Axe;14387753]You got their asses on a leash[/QUOTE]

Only thing he has on a leash is his Vaccine card. Ready to show it to anyone.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14387839]Only thing he has on a leash is his Vaccine card. Ready to show it to anyone.[/QUOTE]

The only time that loser leaves his house is to get another jab:oldlol:

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14386981][/B]

Society. It's never going to zero. There is an acceptable number though. The problem is no one every says what that is. That's one of my biggest problems with the way politicians handle this. Where is the science? What number of deaths is okay? I think it's whatever the current death rate was for a common seasonal flu.[/QUOTE]

Ah, now we're talking. :applause:

Correct; it's never going to zero and this was known since March 2020. CDC already announced on March 8th that most Americans would be exposed to the virus before the end of 2020/2021 (true). [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads&p=14026090&viewfull=1#post14026090"]The only reason for the NPIs to begin with was the hypothesis that hospitals would be overwhelmed. The details of that hypothesis were never revealed, but there were estimations of a hospitalization rate of 15-50% by people in charge when it was made (actual is ~1-2%, heavily weighted towards old/frail people who may have gone to the hospital regardless of Covid). [/URL]

Another big issue with the "acceptable number" is the illusion of control. Thanks to all the brainwashing, society and the politicians make the assumption that this unknown acceptable number is also something that can be controlled, and if we utilize the right combination of pseudoscience, this "acceptable number" will be obtained.

"Where's the science?" Good question. As we know, science is testable/falsifiable. The science given is based on lab experiments - some dating as far back as 2006 - using mannequins, heavyweight t-shirts (not joking), etc, under controlled environments, with plenty of other false assumptions baked into their conclusions from the data.

Where's the science in forcing 2 year olds to wear masks for 15+ months with no end date?

Where's the science behind outdoor dining bans and closing beaches?

Where's the science behind entering a restaurant with a mask, and then taking it off when sitting down?

Where's the science behind 72 inches? Why not 71 inches? Or 73?

Where's the science behind keeping travel bans? More importantly, as you put, what exactly is the achievable goal of each of these measures?

And time and time again, real world data shows no positive correlation between Covid stringency and Covid outcomes between states - including school closures, capacity restrictions, stay-at-home orders, mask mandates, mask compliance %, etc.
[url]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1399868103140556801.html[/url]

March 2020 there was somewhat of an achievable goal ("flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed due to insanely high R values and predicted hospitalization rates of up to 50%). But after all the field hospitals were torn down, many after seeing zero patients, Navy ships sailed out, the (somewhat) achievable goal was gone.

CDC Adds Over 2000 Deaths Associated with COVID-19 Shots in One Week – 917 Unborn Baby Deaths

[url]https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/cdc-adds-over-2000-deaths-associated-with-covid-19-shots-in-one-week-917-unborn-baby-deaths/[/url]