How would Moses Malone's "move" in 1982-83 be viewed today?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406638]Now you have to resort to trolling after I made you guys look like fools. Wade had an extensive injury problems throughout his career, if you actually watched the games you could see he lost a fair amount of explosiveness by the time Miami was winning championships, and he actually regressed the year after LeBron left Miami as well.

There are many examples of players regressing/being done by 30, coincidentally Andrew Toney who i was just talking about being one of them.[/QUOTE]
It’s pathetic how MJ fans resort to lying to discredit LeBron. Obviously insecure about Mikey’s place on the GOAT list. Not sure why most still have him as GOAT.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406632]28 year old Wade vs 33 year Erving. Who are you taking? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

1983 All-NBA First Team Erving vs 2012 & 2013 All-NBA Third Team Wade. Who are you taking?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406645]1983 All-NBA First Team Erving vs 2012 & 2013 All-NBA Third Team Wade. Who are you taking?[/QUOTE]

Deflecting. Answer the question, hoe.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406640]Nobody said J was washed. You're not reading posts guy. I said he was exiting his prime, and clearly past his physical one. Yall are comparing what the Heatles did in their 20s to what Erving did when he was, what, 4 years from retirement? :oldlol: This is why yall are the WORST fans in sports. Bar none.[/QUOTE]

Continuing to ignore Wade was past his prime by the time Miami was winning, lmao.

"But, but, he was just 28". :roll:

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406640]Nobody said J was washed. You're not reading posts guy. I said he was exiting his prime, and clearly past his physical one. Yall are comparing what the Heatles did in their 20s to what Erving did when he was, what, 4 years from retirement? :oldlol: This is why yall are the WORST fans in sports. Bar none.[/QUOTE]
Clearly past his prime yet coming off a season in which he was 3rd in MVP voting, led his team to the finals, leading the league in BPM, making all NBA 1st team and then followed it up by being first team all nba, 5th in mvp voting, 3rd in BPM and winning the finals. If that was LeBron’s second option you’d literally throw a tantrum just like you are in this thread.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406646]Deflecting. Answer the question, hoe.[/QUOTE]

Already did, in case you haven't noticed...

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406638]Now you have to resort to trolling after I made you guys look like fools. Wade had an extensive injury problems throughout his career, if you actually watched the games you could see he lost a fair amount of explosiveness by the time Miami was winning championships, and he actually regressed even more the year after LeBron left Miami as well.

There are many examples of players regressing/being done by 30, coincidentally Andrew Toney who i was just talking about being one of them.[/QUOTE]

Being younger doesn't make him better, '83 Erving was a better player than '12 & '13 Wade, the years both teams won chips.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406647]Continuing to ignore Wade was past his prime by the time Miami was winning, lmao.

"But, but, he was just 28". :roll:[/QUOTE]
84-85 was the year Dr. J exited his prime, you can tell by looking at his BPM. MadFraud doesn’t care about facts, though, only feelings. LeBron bad :(

Yea Moses was the first real superstar to just decide to sign elsewhere it’s just unknown because the rules at the time masked all free agent signings as trades…..

In truth it’s exactly the same as guys now who get “traded” for a couple picks. They are all signed and traded.

MadFraud is getting absolutely bukkake’d by facts in this thread and is so stupid he keeps arguing anyways. :biggums:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406647]Continuing to ignore Wade was past his prime by the time Miami was winning, lmao.

"But, but, he was just 28". :roll:[/QUOTE]

Convenient and nice coincidence that bosh was past prime at 28, wade at 29-30? Lol.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14406654]Yea Moses was the first real superstar to just decide to sign elsewhere it’s just unknown because the rules at the time masked all free agent signings as trades…..

In truth it’s exactly the same as guys now who get “traded” for a couple picks. They are all signed and traded.[/QUOTE]
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Wade wasn't past his prime in 2012. You're all on some bullshit lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406650]Already did, in case you haven't noticed...



Being younger doesn't make him better, '83 Erving was a better player than '12 & '13 Wade, the years both teams won chips.[/QUOTE]

Wade being "injury prone in his career" is irrelevant to what I asked. Again, 28 year old Wade or 33 year old Erving. Who was better? Don't act shy now.....

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14406654]Yea Moses was the first real superstar to just decide to sign elsewhere it’s just unknown because the rules at the time masked all free agent signings as trades…..

In truth it’s exactly the same as guys now who get “traded” for a couple picks. They are all signed and traded.[/QUOTE]

Yup.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406659]Wade wasn't past his prime in 2012. You're all on some bullshit lol



Wade being "injury prone in his career" is irrelevant to what I asked. Again, 28 year old Wade or 33 year old Erving. Who was better? Don't act shy now.....[/QUOTE]
Pretty hard to claim he wasn’t past his prime in 2013, though, and LeBron won that year too, unfortunately for you.

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14406657]Convenient and nice coincidence that bosh was past prime at 28, wade at 29-30? Lol.[/QUOTE]

You guys still haven't even addressed Moses joining Cheeks, Toney, & Jones along with Dr. J. Making it seem like Moses was just joining one good player, Miami in 2011 was dogshit outside of the big 3, Sixers actually had championship experience, high end talent, chemistry, & role players who knew their role.

Bosh was still in his prime, he just had to adjust his game, he wasn't playing on a shitty lottery team where he was getting constant touches anymore. Wade was obviously past his prime though, don't know how you could think otherwise if you actually watched the games.

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14406657]Convenient and nice coincidence that bosh was past prime at 28, wade at 29-30? Lol.[/QUOTE]

Wade was "done" at 29 aka 2011.The same year LeBron sabotaged Wade's FMVP lmao. These fanboys are too easy bruh. Its kinda like playing whack a mole. The poster "RRR3" literally volunteers to get his head split. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406665]You guys still haven't even addressed Moses joining Cheeks, Toney, & Jones along with Dr. J. Making it seem like Moses was just joining one good player, Miami in 2011 was dogshit outside of the big 3, Sixers actually had championship experience, high end talent, chemistry, & role players who knew their role.

Bosh was still in his prime, he just had to adjust his game, he wasn't playing on a shitty lottery team where he was getting constant touches anymore. Wade was obviously past his prime though, don't know how you could think otherwise if you actually watched the games.[/QUOTE]
But but but LeBron bad :(

Moses absolutely created a super-team by joining a great team that already had a former MVP just two seasons prior in 1980 and made it to the finals in 1982.

They already had Jones, Cheeks, Dr. J, and Toney. And what's up with this idea that Dr. J was past his prime?

Dr. J was not only an All-Star, All-NBA, and 5th in MVP voting, but he was also:

3rd in BPM
4th in PER
3rd in VORP
5th in OBPM
8th in WS

all in 1983 when they won the championship. Clearly an additional year didn't slow Dr. J down.

If we want to examine it from the perspective of the 1982 season then Dr. J was:

All-NBA 1st Team
All-Star
3rd in MVP voting
5th in scoring
2nd in PER
3rd in WS
6th in OWS
10th in DWS
1st in WS/48
1st in BPM
2nd in VORP

If this is past your prime then dang, the 80s really was a trash era.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14406668]Moses absolutely created a super-team by joining a great team that already had a former MVP just two seasons prior in 1980 and made it to the finals in 1982.

They already had Jones, Cheeks, Dr. J, and Toney. And what's up with this idea that Dr. J was past his prime?

Dr. J was not only an All-Star, All-NBA, and 5th in MVP voting, but he was also:

8th in BPM
4th in PER
3rd in VORP
5th in OBPM
8th in WS

all in 1983 when they won the championship. Clearly an additional year didn't slow Dr. J down.

If we want to examine it from the perspective of the 1982 season then Dr. J was:

All-NBA 1st Team
All-Star
3rd in MVP voting
5th in scoring
2nd in PER
3rd in WS
6th in OWS
10th in DWS
1st in WS/48
1st in BPM
2nd in VORP

If this is past your prime then dang, the 80s really was a trash era.[/QUOTE]
He was 3rd in BPM in 83, not 8th. Other than that, excellent post, good job exposing these idiot LeBron hating trolls.

It's amazing how obsessed people are with Lebron. I originally made this thread the day after KD had signed with GSW. It was his move that precipitated this thread, not Lebron.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406670]He was 3rd in BPM in 83, not 8th. Other than that, excellent post, good job exposing these idiot LeBron hating trolls.[/QUOTE]

You're right. I fixed it.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14406668]Moses absolutely created a super-team by joining a great team that already had a former MVP just two seasons prior in 1980 and made it to the finals in 1982.

They already had Jones, Cheeks, Dr. J, and Toney. And what's up with this idea that Dr. J was past his prime?

Dr. J was not only an All-Star, All-NBA, and 5th in MVP voting, but he was also:

8th in BPM
4th in PER
3rd in VORP
5th in OBPM
8th in WS

all in 1983 when they won the championship. Clearly an additional year didn't slow Dr. J down.

If we want to examine it from the perspective of the 1982 season then Dr. J was:

All-NBA 1st Team
All-Star
3rd in MVP voting
5th in scoring
2nd in PER
3rd in WS
6th in OWS
10th in DWS
1st in WS/48
1st in BPM
2nd in VORP

If this is past your prime then dang, the 80s really was a trash era.[/QUOTE]

You know it's over for MJ stans in this thread when another LeBron hater joins the discussion to confirm Moses colluded. As much as I disagree with HoopsNY on some topics, he's one of the most knowledgeable posters here.

My original post in this thread

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406572]Erving was 33 and past his prime. Still a great player, but 1983 was the last year Doc made 1st team All-NBA. With Cheeks and Toney, the early and mid 80s Sixers were lethal. Many consider them a superteam.[/QUOTE]

Regardless of whether you think J was in his prime, I agree Philly was stacked. :confusedshrug: Most agree they were a superteam.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14406673]You're right. I fixed it.[/QUOTE]
Appreciate you being objective about this even though you’re an MJ guy :cheers:

I wish MadFraud and Airupthere could do the same.


These idiots don’t realize I have MJ over LeBron anyways lmao. I don’t care if people have MJ over LeBron since I do as well (if you see me saying LeBron is GOAT I’m trolling 3ball or some other troll FYI), but I can’t stand when people just make up shit.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406676]You know it's over for MJ stans in this thread when another LeBron hater joins the discussion to confirm Moses colluded. As much as I disagree with HoopsNY on some topics, he's one of the most knowledgeable posters here.[/QUOTE]

I'm certainly not a LeBron hater. If I've said something about LeBron that has no backstory/background or at least something that's unreasonable, then I'm all ears to discuss it.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406676]You know it's over for MJ stans in this thread when another LeBron hater joins the discussion to confirm Moses colluded. As much as I disagree with HoopsNY on some topics, he's one of the most knowledgeable posters here.[/QUOTE]

So what's the conclusion here then? Lebron's 2011 collusion is fine? Personally, I am not familiar with Moses' circumstances. Lebron's to me is an easy way out. Instant superteam to win it all but did 2/4.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406677]My original post in this thread



Regardless of whether I think J was in his prime, we agree Philly was stacked. :confusedshrug: Most agree they were a superteam.[/QUOTE]
But you don’t hold it against Moses but LeBron is Hitler when he did something similar :confusedshrug:


Seems like you just hate LeBron. You’re getting annihilated in this thread man I’d just quit if I were you.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406677]My original post in this thread



Regardless of whether you think J was in his prime, I agree Philly was stacked. :confusedshrug: Most agree they were a superteam.[/QUOTE]

It's okay to be wrong. I've been wrong on this forum and conceded. Most recently, we were discussing the Dream Team in 1992 vs. the 1996 team. I first opted for the '92 team (media bias probably), Phoenix explained why the '96 team was better. I couldn't dismiss what he said. He was right.

[QUOTE=Gudo;14406682]So what's the conclusion here then? Lebron's 2011 collusion is fine? Personally, I am not familiar with Moses' circumstances. Lebron's to me is an easy way out. Instant superteam to win it all but did 2/4.[/QUOTE]

The conclusion is how LeBron gets all the hate for doing it while Moses gets a pass for it. Hypocrisy. But I don't really blame the posters, because some don't really know their history.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406684]But you don’t hold it against Moses but LeBron is Hitler when he did something similar :confusedshrug:


Seems like you just hate LeBron. You’re getting annihilated in this thread man I’d just quit if I were you.[/QUOTE]

I dont because 33 year old J wasn't the player 28 year old Wade was. 2010/2011 Wade was comparable to Kobe/LeBron. I don't believe Erving was that in 1983. See, unlike you, I don't gotta cap for these players. Yall literally think Wade was done at 29. Laughable, and easily the dumbest thing said here. But you're a pom-pom waving cheerleader. Outside of LeBron, and anything LeBron related, you wouldn't know better. :oldlol: Stay in that "GOAT human" lane.

[QUOTE=Gudo;14406682]So what's the conclusion here then? Lebron's 2011 collusion is fine? Personally, I am not familiar with Moses' circumstances. Lebron's to me is an easy way out. Instant superteam to win it all but did 2/4.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't alive at the time, so you'll have to ask some of the old heads about the signing. My suspicion is that the league already had some seriously stacked teams (LA and Boston), and so Moses' sign and trade didn't stick out like a sore thumb. Heck, you had the Lakers acquiring Bob McAdoo, a HOF center, at the age of 29 (albeit with foot injuries), just the previous season. The trading of Caldwell Jones might also have had something to do with it not really being viewed as the same collusion.

But there might be a more nuanced explanation.

With the NBA/ABA merger, as well as some player movement that we saw, together with big names moving over to some other teams and the NBA having rules like giving up draft picks if a player left for another team, it may have been lost in the "system", as so to speak.

The league sort of settled in towards the mid to late 80s, and we don't see as much big name movement as we did with guys like Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, etc, as well as those who moved from the ABA like Dr. J and Moses. Guys like Hakeem, MJ, Robinson, Malone, Ewing, Magic, Bird, Isiah, etc almost played exclusively with one team.

I suppose a deeper study of this could be done, or maybe older posters can weigh in.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406694]I dont because 33 year old J wasn't the player 28 year old Wade was. 2010/2011 Wade was comparable to Kobe/LeBron. I don't believe Erving was that in 1983. See, unlike you, I don't gotta cap for these players. Yall literally think Wade was done at 29. Laughable, and easily the dumbest thing said here. But you're a pom-pom waving cheerleader. Outside of LeBron, and anything LeBron related, you wouldn't know better. :oldlol: Stay in that "GOAT human" lane.[/QUOTE]
Was Wade comparable to LeBron when they won rings? :oldlol: You’re having a really hard time keeping up. Again, you’re getting completely abused in this thread and having to resort to trolling because you’ve been exposed as a hypocrite who just hates LeBron.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406693]The conclusion is how LeBron gets all the hate for doing it while Moses gets a pass for it. Hypocrisy. But I don't really blame the posters, because some don't really know their history.[/QUOTE]

Time difference and recency bias has a lot to do with it. You're comparing a move that occurred in 1982, nearly three decades prior to the LeBron move. Naturally, it will be spoken of a lot less by comparison.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14406676]You know it's over for MJ stans in this thread when another LeBron hater joins the discussion to confirm Moses colluded. As much as I disagree with HoopsNY on some topics, he's one of the most knowledgeable posters here.[/QUOTE]

btw, a while back I actually made a thread about LeBron's most memorable moments. Ironically, very few LeBron stans posted in it. Some did, but most didn't. (Unless they're alts which would have explained it.)

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[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14406686]It's okay to be wrong. I've been wrong on this forum and conceded. Most recently, we were discussing the Dream Team in 1992 vs. the 1996 team. I first opted for the '92 team (media bias probably), Phoenix explained why the '96 team was better. I couldn't dismiss what he said. He was right.[/QUOTE]

We've all been wrong, but that isn't the case here. Saying a dude at 33 is past their physical prime isn't wrong. What years do you consider his prime? I can "concede" J was still playing at a high level, and have said as much. But the "prime" stuff is certainly debatable. There have been PLENTY of players who produced and were still considered great, but just not at their best. I believe J's best years physically were behind him. In 83, he was 4 years away from retirement.

MJ was 2 years away from retirement in 96 guess he wasn’t in his prime :oldlol:

Holy ****, dude just stop, this is embarrassing.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406696]Was Wade comparable to LeBron when they won rings? :oldlol: You’re having a really hard time keeping up. Again, you’re getting completely abused in this thread and having to resort to trolling because you’ve been exposed as a hypocrite who just hates LeBron.[/QUOTE]

Lol 11 and 12 wade was definitely comparable. You continue to prove you dont know ball. Its cool though. Post something pro LeBron to help you cope.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406707]Lol 11 and 12 wade was definitely comparable. You continue to prove you dont know ball. Its cool though. Post something pro LeBron to help you cope.[/QUOTE]
Wade was comparable to LeBron in 2012? Are you on meth? Also sadly for you, LeBron also won in 2013 with Wade’s corpse. What’s your excuse for that? :yaohappy:

This dude legit said Wade was comparable to LeBron in 2012 lmao