Won't I live longer if my immune system is stronger from beating Covid w/out vaccine?

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429589]I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about vaccines in general? Or just mRNA?

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429589]I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the tradeoff is that you will most likely have a cold for a few days to get those antibodies. It may be worth it to you, though, if you can get some paid time off work.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14429728]Yeah, but the tradeoff is that you will most likely have a cold for a few days to get those antibodies. It may be worth it to you, though, if you can get some paid time off work.[/QUOTE]


Here's the conclusion of Israel's widely-renowned study of 76,000 participants, which confirms that natural immuniuty is superior at preventing covid than the vaccine:


[indent][I]CONCLUSION: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
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[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1[/url][/indent]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429589]I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.[/QUOTE]

Why not let your body fight off cancer too by itself? No chemo, no radiation, no medication. Just let your body fight it. Same for any other disease/illness. Why get any vaccine whatsoever?

[QUOTE=bladefd;14429747]Why not let your body fight off cancer too by itself? No chemo, no radiation, no medication. Just let your body fight it. Same for any other disease/illness. Why get any vaccine whatsoever?[/QUOTE]


Did you miss the last sentence of the post you quoted?


[indent][I]"Now if we were talking about [U]something more lethal[/U] like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure."[/I][/indent]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429751]Did you miss the last sentence of the post you quoted?


[indent][I]"Now if we were talking about [U]something more lethal[/U] like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure."[/I][/indent][/QUOTE]

What? 0.02% death rate isn’t serious enough for you? You are playing with fire here. :lol

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429589]I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own,[/QUOTE]

That is what vaccines do. Vaccines trick your body into thinking it is infected so that your own immune system develops the antibodies on it's own.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429738]Here's the conclusion of Israel's widely-renowned study of 76,000 participants, which confirms that natural immuniuty is superior at preventing covid than the vaccine:


[indent][I]CONCLUSION: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
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[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1[/url][/indent][/QUOTE]

Yes, but unvaccinated old man Joe Rogan, for example, was sick on Sunday. Getting the Trump vaccine would most likely have made him sick too, but there's a chance he would not have been sick on (or as sick) Sunday had he been vaccinated already.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14429738]Here's the conclusion of Israel's widely-renowned study of 76,000 participants, which confirms that natural immuniuty is superior at preventing covid than the vaccine:


[indent][I]CONCLUSION: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
[/I]
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1[/url][/indent][/QUOTE]

Bro the same way they lie about basketball they lie about everything else.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14429747]Why not let your body fight off cancer too by itself? No chemo, no radiation, no medication. Just let your body fight it. Same for any other disease/illness. Why get any vaccine whatsoever?[/QUOTE]

Blade... Our immune systems DO fight off cancer. Cancer is a misregulation in the cell replication process. Our cells have codes to TERMINATE the cell if its ****ed up. (self destruct) Our T Cells kill irregularities that reach a small colony. Our immune system does this naturally. Chemo and radiation is literally just slash and burn technique. You poison the whole body to kill the cancer, but you also kill a ton of healthy cells. And the cancer cells that survive become resistant to treatment and then its end game.

Fruits, vegetables, exercise, fresh air and good sleep to charge your immune system is more valuable than ANY drug on the planet.

Most cancers are caused by poor diet, habits, and pollution.

Wake. The. ****. Up.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14429770]That is what vaccines do. Vaccines trick your body into thinking it is infected so that your own immune system develops the antibodies on it's own.[/QUOTE]

If you already caught the disease you already have the antibodies. No trick required. You caught the real thing, beat it, and now have the immune memory to beat it even easier going forward.

[QUOTE=tpols;14429806]Blade... Our immune systems DO fight off cancer. Cancer is a misregulation in the cell replication process. Our cells have codes to TERMINATE the cell if its ****ed up. (self destruct) Our T Cells kill irregularities that reach a small colony. Our immune system does this naturally. Chemo and radiation is literally just slash and burn technique. You poison the whole body to kill the cancer, but you also kill a ton of healthy cells. And the cancer cells that survive become resistant to treatment and then its end game.

Fruits, vegetables, exercise, fresh air and good sleep to charge your immune system is more valuable than ANY drug on the planet.

Most cancers are caused by poor diet, habits, and pollution.

Wake. The. ****. Up.[/QUOTE]

Blade is anti-Science and pro-Big Government. He has his head so far up his Party's ass that no matter how wrong and unethical they may be, he's past the point of no return with them and must defend them at all costs.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oscar-la-hoya-hospitalized-breakthrough-212539377.html[/url]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14430665][url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oscar-la-hoya-hospitalized-breakthrough-212539377.html[/url][/QUOTE]
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This page might be helpful in this discussion:

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html[/url]

[QUOTE=WiltO'Neal;14431693]This page might be helpful in this discussion:

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html[/url][/QUOTE]


My immune system will be stronger in the long run (so I'll live longer) if my body learns to initiate the fighting process on it's own (natural immunity), then having a vaccine prompt the body to do what it was made to do.

It isn't complicated but the vaccine pushers have been brainwashed by big pharma

For future viruses, your body will be looking for that prompt to fight the virus, while my body will recognize it as another virus and initiate the fighting on it's own - no vaccine needed

[QUOTE=3ba11;14433718]My immune system will be stronger in the long run (so I'll live longer) if my body learns to initiate the fighting process on it's own (natural immunity), then having a vaccine prompt the body to do what it was made to do.

It isn't complicated but the vaccine pushers have been brainwashed by big pharma

For future viruses, your body will be looking for that prompt to fight the virus, [B]while my body will recognize it as another virus[/B] and initiate the fighting on it's own - no vaccine needed[/QUOTE]

If your body naturally fights off Covid-19...it will recognize Covid-19 in the future. Not another virus...

Do you really not know how this works? Or are you just trolling here now too :lol

The efficacy of mRNA vaccines is still being figured out. But it seems like you're talking about vaccines in general..

[QUOTE=3ba11;14433718]My immune system will be stronger in the long run (so I'll live longer) [B]if my body learns to initiate the fighting process on it's own (natural immunity), then having a vaccine prompt the body to do what it was made to do.[/B]

It isn't complicated but the vaccine pushers have been brainwashed by big pharma

For future viruses, your body will be looking for that prompt to fight the virus, while my body will recognize it as another virus and initiate the fighting on it's own - no vaccine needed[/QUOTE]

Makes zero difference in reality

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Natural immunity is stronger at fighting Covid than the vaccine, so people shouldn't be prevented from pursuing the better protection (natural immunity) - the unvaccinated aren't putting anyone in danger because anyone can get the vaccine to protect themselves.. so stop using the flu as a reason to act self-righteous - you're going against the science by preaching vaccine protection over natural immunity

[QUOTE=3ba11;14449076].
[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]


Natural immunity is stronger at fighting Covid than the vaccine, so people shouldn't be prevented from pursuing the better protection (natural immunity) - the unvaccinated aren't putting anyone in danger because anyone can get the vaccine to protect themselves.. so stop using the flu as a reason to act self-righteous - you're going against the science by preaching vaccine protection over natural immunity[/QUOTE]
The first case of chicken pox was discovered in 1658.
Chicken pox link to shingles was discovered over 200 years later.

We first thought the natural immunity derived from overcoming chicken pox as children was sufficient to avoid shingles in adulthood. We were wrong. Many people suffered.

The recommendation was changed from natural immunity to innoculate everyone with varicella vaccine to thwart adult shingles in the 80s. It only worked in half the population.

The sop was changed again to a dedicated shingles vaccine in 2006. Two doses of shingles vaccines gives 90% efficacy for 4 years. So imperfect, but an improvement. Should sound a little similar to covid procedures if you're paying any attention.

The chicken pox virus is pretty well understood by us. It took us over 300 years to understand and relatively effectively combat one of it's worst long term effects.

We've been working with Covid now for 2 to 3 years. It's long term effects are still yet to be fully unraveled.

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.

[QUOTE=Loco 50;14449134]The first case of chicken pox was discovered in 1658.
Chicken pox link to shingles was discovered over 200 years later.

We first thought the natural immunity derived from overcoming chicken pox as children was sufficient to avoid shingles in adulthood. We were wrong. Many people suffered.

The recommendation was changed from natural immunity to innoculate everyone with varicella vaccine to thwart adult shingles in the 80s. It only worked in half the population.

The sop was changed again to a dedicated shingles vaccine in 2006. Two doses of shingles vaccines gives 90% efficacy for 4 years. So imperfect, but an improvement. Should sound a little similar to covid procedures if you're paying any attention.

The chicken pox virus is pretty well understood by us. It took us over 300 years to understand and relatively effectively combat one of it's worst long term effects.

We've been working with Covid now for 2 to 3 years. It's long term effects are still yet to be fully unraveled.

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.[/QUOTE]

Science takes time. Dont worry about taking this rushed vaccine with no completed long term studies though.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14449136]Science takes time. Dont worry about taking this rushed vaccine with no completed long term studies though.

:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Have you seen the long term studies on that crack you smoked?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14449136]Science takes time. Dont worry about taking this rushed vaccine with no completed long term studies though.

:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

The side effects of vaccination are well understood compared to the long term effects of the novel virus. There is a traditional vaccine available for those that still fear the mRNA vaccines.

You thought you had a nice repartee, but then you think a lot of foolish things. For well-documented reasons.

[QUOTE=Loco 50;14449134]The first case of chicken pox was discovered in 1658.
Chicken pox link to shingles was discovered over 200 years later.

We first thought the natural immunity derived from overcoming chicken pox as children was sufficient to avoid shingles in adulthood. We were wrong. Many people suffered.

The recommendation was changed from natural immunity to innoculate everyone with varicella vaccine to thwart adult shingles in the 80s. It only worked in half the population.

The sop was changed again to a dedicated shingles vaccine in 2006. Two doses of shingles vaccines gives 90% efficacy for 4 years. So imperfect, but an improvement. Should sound a little similar to covid procedures if you're paying any attention.

The chicken pox virus is pretty well understood by us. It took us over 300 years to understand and relatively effectively combat one of it's worst long term effects.

We've been working with Covid now for 2 to 3 years. It's long term effects are still yet to be fully unraveled.

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.[/QUOTE]


Rand Paul:

"[I]even the CDC doesn't recommend measles vaccine for people who had measles already.. the same was true for small pox[/I]"


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ[/url]


natural immunity has proven to be superior - it's hard to finnagle your way around that fact

[QUOTE=3ba11;14449204]Rand Paul:

"[I]even the CDC doesn't recommend measles vaccine for people who had measles already.. the same was true for small pox[/I]"


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ[/url]


natural immunity has proven to be superior - it's hard to finnagle your way around that fact[/QUOTE]

Rand Paul is no longer a licensed physician. He's solely a politician. If you desire medical advice from your politicians, so be it.

[QUOTE=Loco 50;14449205]Rand Paul is no longer a licensed physician. He's solely a politician. If you desire medical advice from your politicians, so be it.[/QUOTE]


He's reading studies from doctors and the CDC

Have you been hypnotized or something? You can't respond or concede so you say something irrelevant like Paul isn't a doctor anymore?

Vax shamers aren't following the scientific studies and are simply using this situation to act self-righteous and shame people - so they're low character people.. period. those are the facts.. natural immunity is simply better.. heck, the risk of dying for people under 65 is the same as driving a car

[QUOTE=3ba11;14449210]He's reading studies from doctors and the CDC

Have you been hypnotized or something? You can't respond or concede so you say something irrelevant like Paul isn't a doctor anymore?

Vax shamers aren't following the scientific studies and are using this to act self-righteous - so they're low character people.. period. those are the facts.. natural immunity is simply better[/QUOTE]

Cool

[QUOTE=Loco 50;14449213]Cool[/QUOTE]


Cool, as long as you understand that I wasn't listening to Rand Paul - I posted a clip of him reciting scientific studies by doctors and statements from the CDC

but why am i trying to enlighten you out of your sheep-like misery.. carry on

[QUOTE=bladefd;14429158]Antibodies are same regardless of whether they are from the actual disease or the vaccine. The vaccine simply 100% ensures you get the full antibodies response (an infection will expose everyone to different amounts of the virus so number of antibodies would differ from person to person) and that you can't get the actual disease from the vaccine itself.

Why would you want to go through an illness when you can get the same antibodies through other means without having to get the illness? It's not like the antibodies from the disease will be stronger than the antibodies from the vaccine.

Also, if you think antibodies from the disease itself will last longer than the vaccine, that won't be the case afaik. You will lose the number of antibodies over time regardless of whether you got it from the virus itself or vaccine.[/QUOTE]

^^ I have nothing new to add since 5 weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Loco 50;14449134]

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.[/QUOTE]

There was a time when blood-letting via leeches was cutting edge medical science for the treatment of blood disorders. Skeptics would have been deemed laymen simpletons. Fools to question the learned, in-demand doctors who served as personal physicians to the crowned emporer himself.

Nobody gets things right all the time, but intuition varies from person to person. There were surely smart, "unlicensed" people who thought leeching was absurd. And they were undoubtedly shouted down by professionals and quotidian bootlickers who sought esteem from sucking up to people in charge.

You and bladefd are the kind of guys who lack intuition, and rely on simple parroting of those whose image and status you aspire to hold. You are not a doctor. But it's obvious you badly want people to have that impression. You didn't even know that a vaccine is a medical drug. You're not smart and you're not interesting, and you're desperately using politics to create that sort of illusion for yourself. I wish you wouldnt do that. It's fine to exaggerate how good you are at basketball, or how many chicks you get, or how much money you make, or whatever you wanna lie about. But not politics, man. Stop using politics to make yourself appear to be things you arent. Stop sucking the dick of powerful establishment groups and lobbyists because you think parroting their message makes you look enlightened. This is the one area where being a giant poser causes real social strife, because you're tipping the balance of power into the hands of a few by being such a submissive pawn.

Stop using politics as a vehicle for personal grandeur. Stop using it to make people think you're intelligent, intuitive, insightful, sagacious, morally elevated, or whatever thing that you wish people would recognize you as. Because it creates a lot more problems than it solves. And it doesn't work anyway. Nobody thinks youre those things.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14449236]There was a time when blood-letting via leeches was cutting edge medical science for the treatment of blood disorders. Skeptics would have been deemed laymen simpletons. Fools to question the learned, in-demand doctors who served as personal physicians to the crowned emporer himself.

Nobody gets things right all the time, but intuition varies from person to person. There were surely smart, "unlicensed" people who thought leeching was absurd. And they were undoubtedly shouted down by professionals and quotidian bootlickers who sought esteem from sucking up to people in charge.

You and bladefd are the kind of guys who lack intuition, and rely on simple parroting of those whose image and status you aspire to hold. You are not a doctor. But it's obvious you badly want people to have that impression. You didn't even know that a vaccine is a medical drug. You're not smart and you're not interesting, and you're desperately using politics to create that sort of illusion for yourself. I wish you wouldnt do that. It's fine to exaggerate how good you are at basketball, or how many chicks you get, or how much money you make, or whatever you wanna lie about. But not politics, man. Stop using politics to make yourself appear to be things you arent. Stop sucking the dick of powerful establishment groups and lobbyists because you think parroting their message makes you look enlightened. This is the one area where being a giant poser causes real social strife, because you're tipping the balance of power into the hands of a few by being such a submissive pawn.

Stop using politics as a vehicle for personal grandeur. Stop using it to make people think you're intelligent, intuitive, insightful, sagacious, morally elevated, or whatever thing that you wish people would recognize you as. Because it creates a lot more problems than it solves. And it doesn't work anyway. Nobody thinks youre those things.[/QUOTE]


Good post. Wise words.

Unsure how politics became like religion - mine is better than yours, I am a better person than you because I believe in X or Y.

Especially when people haven't thought themselves, just repeating what they are told by biased sources.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14449223]^^ I have nothing new to add since 5 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]


natural immunity prevents covid more - that's what the studies say - 7x more effective according to some studies and more according to others

[QUOTE=3ba11;14449254][B]natural immunity prevents covid more - that's what the studies say[/B] - 7x more effective according to some studies and more according to others[/QUOTE]

Link?

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14449236]There was a time when blood-letting via leeches was cutting edge medical science for the treatment of blood disorders. Skeptics would have been deemed laymen simpletons. Fools to question the learned, in-demand doctors who served as personal physicians to the crowned emporer himself.

Nobody gets things right all the time, but intuition varies from person to person. There were surely smart, "unlicensed" people who thought leeching was absurd. And they were undoubtedly shouted down by professionals and quotidian bootlickers who sought esteem from sucking up to people in charge.

You and bladefd are the kind of guys who lack intuition, and rely on simple parroting of those whose image and status you aspire to hold. You are not a doctor. But it's obvious you badly want people to have that impression. You didn't even know that a vaccine is a medical drug. You're not smart and you're not interesting, and you're desperately using politics to create that sort of illusion for yourself. I wish you wouldnt do that. It's fine to exaggerate how good you are at basketball, or how many chicks you get, or how much money you make, or whatever you wanna lie about. But not politics, man. Stop using politics to make yourself appear to be things you arent. Stop sucking the dick of powerful establishment groups and lobbyists because you think parroting their message makes you look enlightened. This is the one area where being a giant poser causes real social strife, because you're tipping the balance of power into the hands of a few by being such a submissive pawn.

Stop using politics as a vehicle for personal grandeur. Stop using it to make people think you're intelligent, intuitive, insightful, sagacious, morally elevated, or whatever thing that you wish people would recognize you as. Because it creates a lot more problems than it solves. And it doesn't work anyway. Nobody thinks youre those things.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

Leeches are still used in medicine.

Oldtimer is your alt.

You're a high school grad with malignant narcissism so severe you think you've outwitted some of the smartest docs in the world. This is known as delusional thinking.

3 facts. 3 more facts than your entire rant.

Have a blessed day.

[QUOTE=oldtimer28;14449250]Good post. Wise words.

Unsure how politics became like religion - mine is better than yours, I am a better person than you because I believe in X or Y.

Especially when people haven't thought themselves, just repeating what they are told by biased sources.[/QUOTE]

What makes you trot out this account instead of the Filipino boy one, I wonder...

Therapy can help you with your problems. You are beyond my expertise and it's difficult for me to resist bullying you so this should be the end of our conversation.

:roll:

meltdown

Vaccines are satanic. If youve ever received a vaccine, youre a tool of the devil

[QUOTE=000;14449538]Vaccines are satanic. If youve ever received a vaccine, youre a tool of the devil[/QUOTE]
Foolish

[QUOTE=Axe;14449543]Foolish[/QUOTE]
Repent

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14449181]Have you seen the long term studies on that crack you smoked?[/QUOTE]

:lol