Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

2020: your neighbor dies in a house fire = covid death
2021: you die 30 min after the vaccine = pre-existing conditions

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14431934]2020: your neighbor dies in a house fire = covid death
2021: you die 30 min after the vaccine = pre-existing conditions[/QUOTE]

That's why I continue to educate people that the median age of death with Covid-19 is above average life expectancy.

16 million people die of infectious diseases every year, many of whom are children. millions of children dying of starvation/malnutrition all the time. nobody ever gave a ****. :rolleyes:


[QUOTE=Cleverness;14431935]If you're just trying to get the point across, it would be easier to go by the [URL="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html"]CDC's latest estimate[/URL]

99.999% survival rate in people 0-17

99.96% survival rate in people under 49

99.94% survival rate in people 18-49 years old

Not sure I agree with the CDC that only 1 in 1.3 Covid-19 deaths were reported, though as we've seen, labeling deaths w/ Covid can be tricky when almost all of the people dying were also dying of other causes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RRR3;14431318]Reading this thread was sad. Like watching one adult (tonztoz) try to reason with a group of toddlers.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Manny is such a dumb **** its insane.


They built universities so that kids like him don't have to stay uneducated and stupid their wholes lives.

Look at these graphs and tell me vaccines "ain't doing shit". You guys are so wilfully ignorant.


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Oh look, vaccines work!

I don't give a **** if they work or not

I am not getting vaccinated for something that I am already immune from.

Even if I wasn't immune I am still not getting vaccinated, **** that shit

I dont give a shit if your dumbass doesnt get vaccinated. You being dead or alive means nothing to me.

Read the thread title.

OP said vaccines aint doing shit. Idiot like u agrees. I post evidence proving vaccines do shit. The end.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432000]I don't give a **** if they work or not

I am not getting vaccinated for something that I am already immune from.

Even if I wasn't immune I am still not getting vaccinated, **** that shit[/QUOTE]


This just highlights the selfishness of the anti vax crowd. They don't care if they infect other people who might be in high risk groups it is all me me me.

But if they get really sick from covid they expect to get the same hospital care as vaccinated patients and they expect someone else to pay the bills.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432094]This just highlights the selfishness of the anti vax crowd. They don't care if they infect other people who might be in high risk groups it is all me me me.

But if they get really sick from covid they expect to get the same hospital care as vaccinated patients and they expect someone else to pay the bills.[/QUOTE]
1. Even if your vaccinated you can still get Covid

2. Even if you're vaccinated you can still infect other people

3. You're protected anyway so why you so worried about other people, you can die from the flu as well don't see you people wanting flu shots mandated, hypocrisy right there

4. I haven't infected anyone, I live with someone who's vaccinated and they test negative everytime

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432100]1. Even if your vaccinated you can still get Covid

2. Even if you're vaccinated you can still infect other people

3. You're protected anyway so why you so worried about other people, you can die from the flu as well don't see you people wanting flu shots mandated, hypocrisy right there

4. I haven't infected anyone, I live with someone who's vaccinated and they test negative everytime[/QUOTE]


Using your logic why would anyone wear a seat belt? After all you can still be killed in a car wreck if you are wearing a seat belt so why wear them?

And of course you want someone else to pay for your hospital stay if you get covid. It is all about your freedom, until you need help.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432104]Using your logic why would anyone wear a seat belt? After all you can still be killed in a car wreck if you are wearing a seat belt so why wear them?

And of course you want someone else to pay for your hospital stay if you get covid. It is all about your freedom, until you need help.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's going to hospital I never get sick

Using your logic we should mandate the flu shot as well, what haven't we, flu kills 100s of thousands a year :confusedshrug:

We should also mandate weight loss programs for obesity since that kills millions a year and puts a strain on the healthcare system which effects everyone

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432107]Nobody's going to hospital I never get sick

Using your logic we should mandate the flu shot as well, what haven't we, flu kills 100s of thousands a year :confusedshrug:

We should also mandate weight loss programs for obesity since that kills millions a year and puts a strain on the healthcare system which effects everyone[/QUOTE]


In some states flu shots are mandatory for health care workers or to go to school. Employers have the right to mandate flu shots but generally just encourage them. Every year i get emails about them and people come to our office to give out the shots. I haven't gotten one though.

However the flu has been around a long time so we have developed some herd immunity to it. It isn't nearly as dangerous as covid. It isn't just the risk of death with covid. It can mess with your lungs.

Jason Tatum got covid. Even after he recovered he was having so much trouble with his breathing that he started using an inhaler. He doesn't have asthma.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432115]In some states flu shots are mandatory for health care workers or to go to school. Employers have the right to mandate flu shots but generally just encourage them. Every year i get emails about them and people come to our office to give out the shots. I haven't gotten one though.

However the flu has been around a long time so we have developed some herd immunity to it. It isn't nearly as dangerous as covid. It isn't just the risk of death with covid. It can mess with your lungs.

Jason Tatum got covid. Even after he recovered he was having so much trouble with his breathing that he started using an inhaler. He doesn't have asthma.[/QUOTE]
Ok and flu cause long term lung damage as well

And COVID-19 is just a more deadly variant of Coranvirus which has been around forever. It's not really a new thing

Who gets to decide what's deadly or not if they can potentially kill people then the vaccines for them should be both mandatory going by your logic

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432122]Ok and flu cause long term lung damage as well

And COVID-19 is just a more deadly variant of Coranvirus which has been around forever. It's not really a new thing

[B]Who gets to decide [/B]what's deadly or not if they can potentially kill people then the vaccines for them should be both mandatory going by your logic[/QUOTE]

Very simple. The people paying the bills are the ones who are going to decide what is mandatory and what isn't.

My cousin told me once about some advice his father gave him before entering the workforce. He said companies are in business to make money for themselves. If you don't like some of the things they do there is nothing you can do about it other than to start your own business. Then you can make the rules.

If you want to work in corporate america you will have to get the vaccine. Companies give no fs about your freedom. If you don't like it go start your own business. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432104]Using your logic why would anyone wear a seat belt? After all you can still be killed in a car wreck if you are wearing a seat belt so why wear them?

And of course you want someone else to pay for your hospital stay if you get covid. It is all about your freedom, until you need help.[/QUOTE]

If you had a 99.97% chance of surviving a car wreck there would be no mandate for seatbelts and you probably wouldn't bother putting 1 on if it wasn't required by the law.

Also your hospital stay for Covid example doesn't make sense. So if you got lung cancer from smoking, diabetes from bad diet habits, etc you shouldn't expect someone else to pay for your hospital stay either?

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21;14432142]If you had a 99.97% chance of surviving a car wreck there would be no mandate for seatbelts and you probably wouldn't bother putting 1 on if it wasn't required by the law.

Also your hospital stay for Covid example doesn't make sense. So if you got lung cancer from smoking, diabetes from bad diet habits, etc you shouldn't expect someone else to pay for your hospital stay either?[/QUOTE]


If there was a shot that would significantly reduce smoking addiction, diabetes or obesity then yes it would be mandatory.


[QUOTE]Delta Air Lines (DAL), for example, recently announced [B]that it will begin implementing a $200 monthly surcharge for all unvaccinated employees beginning Nov. 1.[/B]

[B]"The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person," CEO Ed Bastian wrote in a memo.[/B] "This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company. In recent weeks since the rise of the B.1.617.2 variant, [B]all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID were not fully vaccinated .[/B]"[/QUOTE]

[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432148]If there was a shot that would significantly reduce smoking addiction, diabetes or obesity then yes it would be mandatory.




[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url][/QUOTE]

A shot to reduce diabetes and obesity? How about reducing fast food consumption and focusing on healthier diet habits. People have the choice to order take out meals and buy junk food at grocery stores but they aren't denied treatment if they get sick over the years and it leads to obesity.

There is steroid injections available to significantly reduce your bodyfat %. Where are the mandates for obese people to get them?

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21;14432157]A shot to reduce diabetes and obesity? How about reducing fast food consumption and focusing on healthier diet habits. People have the choice to order take out meals and buy junk food at grocery stores but they aren't denied treatment if they get sick over the years and it leads to obesity.

There is steroid injections available to significantly reduce your bodyfat %. Where are the mandates for obese people to get them?[/QUOTE]

If the weight loss was significant and took only a few weeks then it probably would be. I doubt that is the case though.:oldlol:

Also fast food companies are making a lot of money from fat people. Who is making money off people who refuse vaccinations, other than hospitals?

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431119]If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad[/QUOTE]

These are the numbers from Indiana:
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Oregon:
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Wisconsin:
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Without the vaccine the deaths would probably be 5x what they are currently because 80% of the countries seniors are fully vaccinated.

^^^^ yeah the evidence is overwhelming. I am going to use those charts in other threads. The ignorance I've seen on here is amazing.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432148]If there was a shot that would significantly reduce smoking addiction, diabetes or obesity then yes it would be mandatory.




[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url][/QUOTE]
It's called a healthy diet

Let's mandate healthy diets for the obese since we care so much about people's health :rockon:

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432167]It's called a healthy diet

Let's mandate healthy diets for the obese since we care so much about people's health :rockon:[/QUOTE]

They were giving out free Krispy kreme donuts and McDonald's quarter pounders if you got the vaccine.

Shit is hilarious. :lol

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432167]It's called a healthy diet

Let's mandate healthy diets for the obese since we care so much about people's health :rockon:[/QUOTE]

Not very practical since losing weight is hard and takes a long time. It also gets harder as you get older. Obesity isn't contagious either.


Pretty hard to lose a lot of weight on diet alone. I did see a guy lose 60 pounds just through diet. Most people have to combine diet and exercise to lose a lot of weight.

[QUOTE=tpols;14432168]They were giving out free Krispy kreme donuts and McDonald's quarter pounders if you got the vaccine.

Shit is hilarious. :lol[/QUOTE]


Why do you think they are doing that?

It's because the unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic and hurting their business.

I used to like quarter pounders and still love doughnuts. Can't remember the last time I had a quarter pounder. The only time I eat doughnuts was at the.office which was too often.

The lockdown did help me lose the extra 10 pounds i was carrying due to a sweet tooth.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432171]Not very practical since losing weight is hard and takes a long time. It also gets harder as you get older. Obesity isn't contagious either.


Pretty hard to lose a lot of weight on diet alone. I did see a guy lose 60 pounds just through diet. Most people have to combine diet and exercise to lose a lot of weight.[/QUOTE]

Obesity also kills way more than Covid

If we care so much about people's health it should be mandatory to have a healthy BMI

And yes obesity is contagious their unhealthy diet and lifestyle rubs off onto their kids.

It also puts a massive strain on the healthcare system, you're way more likely to be hospitalized if you're obese

If we're mandating Covid vaccines then you agree we should mandate healthy BMIs

[QUOTE=tpols;14432168]They were giving out free Krispy kreme donuts and McDonald's quarter pounders if you got the vaccine.

Shit is hilarious. :lol[/QUOTE]

Wow :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432183]Obesity also kills way more than Covid

If we care so much about people's health it should be mandatory to have a healthy BMI

And yes obesity is contagious their unhealthy diet and lifestyle rubs off onto their kids.

It also puts a massive strain on the healthcare system, you're way more likely to be hospitalized if you're obese

If we're mandating Covid vaccines then you agree we should mandate healthy BMIs[/QUOTE]

That would work for me at 6'2" 185 pounds but isnt practical. I am not going to catch obesity from someone near me coughing. We don't have to shut down the economy due to fat people

I lost 30 pounds a few years back. It took several months and was tough even though I was already going to the gym.

You didn't have to shut down the economy due to a virus with a 99%+ survival rate

See Sweden

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432164]^^^^ yeah the evidence is overwhelming. I am going to use those charts in other threads. The ignorance I've seen on here is amazing.[/QUOTE]

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Don't even bother.

MRNA is now close to entering trials for cancer immunotherapy. It is a game changer. Let the naysayers naysay while the rest of us live to be 200.

[url]https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01348-0[/url]

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432201]You didn't have to shut down the economy due to a virus with a 99%+ survival rate

See Sweden[/QUOTE]


Over 650k people have died here from COVID. Sweden's death rate is worse than ours, and far higher than it's neighbors, so no that isn't a viable option here.

See Florida

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432201]You didn't have to shut down the economy due to a virus with a 99%+ survival rate

See Sweden[/QUOTE]
Sweden had among the worst per-capita COVID-19 mortality in Europe.

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Don't even bother.

[B]MRNA is now close to entering trials for cancer immunotherapy. It is a game changer. Let the naysayers naysay while the rest of us live to be 200.[/B]

[url]https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01348-0[/url][/QUOTE]

Thats the point.

Humanity will evolve GROSSLY in the 21st century. People dont talk about this enough nor appreciate the profundity of its implications.

Cancer and other diseases absolutely will be cured this century. This will have enormous environmental impact among other things. We’re going to start moving out into space as well, which may require genetic “upgrades” which are going to become viable.

The Covid overhaul is a coordinated global preparation for a brave new world. It is not a accident that happened bc whoops, somebody ate a bat and our leaders just happened to decide to overreact by 5000%. They are drumming up the crisis as a launching point for prodding an inertial public into moving toward the future.

If we could just call it what it is, we could theoretically avoid all the drama, altho a democratic discussion of the future also has its own fundamental obstacles. General consensus on a plan of action would be extremely difficult. So the people with the means to do so are simply bypassing it.

And they have hordes of small minded plebian enforcers at their disposal to make it so.

[QUOTE=Chick Stern;14432231]Sweden had among the worst per-capita COVID-19 mortality in Europe.[/QUOTE]

No it didn't

Belgium,UK and Italy had much worse despite enforcing lockdowns

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432172]Why do you think they are doing that?

It's because the unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic and hurting their business.

I used to like quarter pounders and still love doughnuts. Can't remember the last time I had a quarter pounder. The only time I eat doughnuts was at the.office which was too often.

The lockdown did help me lose the extra 10 pounds i was carrying due to a sweet tooth.[/QUOTE]


How daft can you possibly be? They claim to care so much about getting everybody healthy that they're willing to bribe you with some of the most unhealthy food on the planet.

We are truly living in an idiocracy. :facepalm

Also tontoz... McDonald's isn't hurting for business. Their stock has skyrocketed since March 2020. They've been making MORE money in the plandemic because small business lost market share to big business.... so even your logic doesnt add up.

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Don't even bother.

MRNA is now close to entering trials for cancer immunotherapy. It is a game changer. Let the naysayers naysay while the rest of us live to be 200.

[url]https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01348-0[/url][/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=tpols;14432248]How daft can you possibly be? They claim to care so much about getting everybody healthy that they're willing to bribe you with some of the most unhealthy food on the planet.

We are truly living in an idiocracy. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Krispy Kreme never claimed to be a health food joint. :lol


I think you are missing the point.

Their business is selling food. Yes much of that food is unhealthy but that is a separate discussion.

They are giving people a financial incentive to get vaccinated because the people who are unvaccinated are hurting their business.

The tide is now turning as we see the countries with the highest vaccine rates have the highest total Covid hospitalizations and deaths. It is not a coincidence that Covid is exploding here as more and more people foolishly take these experimental vaccines that were rushed to market for a disease that has close to a 100% recovery rate. ADE, or Antibody Dependent Enhancement, is something we will hear about more and more as the tide turns and it is the vaccinated that are dying in mass.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432252]Krispy Kreme never claimed to be a health food joint. :lol


I think you are missing the point.

Their business is selling food. Yes much of that food is unhealthy but that is a separate discussion.

They are giving people a financial incentive to get vaccinated because the people who are unvaccinated are hurting their business.[/QUOTE]


[video=youtube;9HAPHc4hnFc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAPHc4hnFc[/video]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432252]Krispy Kreme never claimed to be a health food joint. :lol


I think you are missing the point.

Their business is selling food. Yes much of that food is unhealthy but that is a separate discussion.

They are giving people a financial incentive to get vaccinated because the people who are unvaccinated are hurting their business.[/QUOTE]

No youre missing the point and youre lying to boot.

McDonald's stock price is up massive since March 2020. They've been getting MORE business and making more money with lockdowns because they've never been locked down but other small businesses with less robust takeout systems have been. So they captured more market share with lockdown and have seen their value increase massively.

The hypocrisy is palpable that they offer unhealthy food for free under the guise of being health concious and encouraging vaccination. Total joke.

This world has too many stupid and gullible people in it smh.

[QUOTE=tpols;14432275]No youre missing the point and youre lying to boot.

McDonald's stock price is up massive since March 2020. They've been getting MORE business and making more money with lockdowns because they've never been locked down but other small businesses with less robust takeout systems have been. So they captured more market share with lockdown and have seen their value increase massively.

The hypocrisy is palpable that they offer unhealthy food for free under the guise of being health concious and encouraging vaccination. Total joke.

This world has too many stupid and gullible people in it smh.[/QUOTE]


MCdonalds stock price might be doing fine. The franchisees not so much:

[QUOTE]

McDonald's warns franchisees impacted by coronavirus could have to downsize or sell
Company has reportedly set aside $40 million in aid for owners

[B]McDonald's franchisees may need to sell their businesses due to coronavirus-induced financial struggles.[/B]

[B]McDonald's says it'll take millions of dollars to help struggling U.S. franchisees, urging that some will need to downsize or shutter locations, Bloomberg News reports.[/B]

The fast-food chain has set aside $40 million in restaurant aid for owners dealing with the financial impact of COVID-19 lockdowns, documents and internal emails obtained by Bloomberg News said.

CORONAVIRUS TENSIONS MEAN ESSENTIAL WORKERS FACE ANGER ON STREETS

Temporary funding will be available on a case-by-case basis and franchisee owners must work with McDonald's to "find a suitable financial solution," according to Bloomberg.
[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/mcdonalds-franchisees-coronavirus[/url]

[URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/mc-donalds-hits-record-high-after-a-bombshell-earnings-report-150809478.html"]McDonald's stock spikes to new record after blockbuster Q1 earnings[/URL]


Yea.... Bullshit. They were offering free hamburgers for vax when their company wide earnings were at all time highs. Nice try though.