PG13 would've beaten Dwight with Mo just like he beat Gobert/Mitchell with Jackson

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14448008]Yet he couldn’t win more chips like Russell.[/QUOTE]


MJ never had a good cast - he had to win with a low-producing sidekick that was more like a defensive role player than a high-producing dominant star - MJ's rings were the rare breed of ring that was won without super-teams or 1b's that Russell and other stars enjoyed.

MJ had to achieve four #1 offenses that included goat margins above league average with literally the worst offensive help that any team ever had - i.e. the Bulls played 4 on 5 with Rodman, while pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (including 2 Finals of 15 ppg)

Low producing teammates yet they won 72 games and even won 55 without MJ

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14446869]Lol really? Just 35,000?

OP has been doing this stuff for over a decade on multiple basketball forums. He could easily be over half a million posts that are pretty much solely about MJ vs Lebron.

You can tell he's an addict at this stuff because he throws together extremely low effort topics like this thread all the time. Like he needs to get his daily fix but runs out of material so we end up with this lame thread.

It's hard to tell what his goal even is...he could easily just be a mentally ill person who is obsessed with trolling people and gets his kicks off making troll threads about Lebron. He could also just be someone who is extremely lonely and gets his kicks by having people respond to him on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Have you heard? Not even doxxing op here with the names of his family members was enough to stop him in spilling his agendas about kong and pippen.

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14448024]Low producing teammates yet they won 72 games and even won 55 without MJ[/QUOTE]


the triangle always did well when run well, and the Bulls had won 3 rings with it, so they were running it better than anyone ever had

they had developed this superior STRATEGY, so they could win with less TALENT (only 22/5 from pippen and 15/11 from their 2nd option, who was a simple rebounder)

imagine winning 55 with a simple rebounder at 2nd option - so that tells you the strategy was strong (3-peat strategy)

The Celtics didnt win because of Russell? FOH

[QUOTE=000;14448270]The Celtics didnt win because of Russell? FOH[/QUOTE]


Just like everyone in history, Russell had teammates outscore him routinely, so he never carried teams like Jordan's 6 rings, where he averaged 10-30 more than his sidekick in every series - think about that - everyone else had teammates lead them in scoring for entire playoff runs, while jordan led by 10-30 in every SERIES.. wow.. So everyone in history is a "pippen" for needing teammates to outscore them - only the GOAT is a "jordan"

[QUOTE=3ba11;14448288]Just like everyone in history, Russell had teammates outscore him routinely, so he never carried teams like Jordan's 6 rings, where he averaged 10-30 more than his sidekick in every series - think about that - everyone else had teammates lead them in scoring for entire playoff runs, while jordan led by 10-30 in every SERIES.. wow.. So everyone in history is a "pippen" for needing teammates to outscore them - only the GOAT is a "jordan"[/QUOTE]
???

The celtics offense was always unimpressive, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming

[QUOTE=000;14448292]???

The celtics offense was always unimpressive, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming[/QUOTE]


If a player has a teammate match or exceed his scoring, then that's less impressive than another player averaging 10-30 more than everyone, aka carry-job (with more dpoy votes and equal/greater assists)

So stop pretending that scoring doesn't matter - if a player doesn't score efficiently or adequately, then they aren't a 1st or 2nd option

[QUOTE=3ba11;14448294]If a player has a teammate match or exceed his scoring, then that's less impressive than another player averaging 10-30 more than everyone (with more dpoy votes and equal/greater assists)

So stop pretending that scoring doesn't matter - if a player doesn't score, efficiently or adequately, then they aren't a 1st or 2nd option[/QUOTE]
The celtics offense was always unimpressive and wasnt what won them the titles, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming

[QUOTE=000;14448295]The celtics offense was always unimpressive and wasnt what won them the titles, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming[/QUOTE]



Russell played before the 3-point line, so the unspaced court allowed a 1-way defender to win .. But ever since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 MVP's have been dominant offensive players, so Russell wouldn't be MVP caliber today - this makes Jordans 6 chips as the best player the goat accomplishment

[QUOTE=3ba11;14448296]Russell played before the 3-point line, so the unspaced court allowed a 1-way defender to win .. But ever since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 MVP's have been dominant offensive players, so Russell wouldn't be MVP caliber today - this makes Jordans 6 chips as the best player the goat accomplishment[/QUOTE]
If being a bum like Gobert or something was all it took, you would think 2-way goat athlete Wilt wouldve been a lot more successful