Jordan definitely has sociopathic traits.
And Pippen is right that he was probably very important in acting as the battered wife who keeps the family together.
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Jordan definitely has sociopathic traits.
And Pippen is right that he was probably very important in acting as the battered wife who keeps the family together.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14475332]His father died 3 week before that game 7 jackass. The pistons were literally trying to hurt him. Yall don't cut Pippen any slack. He may have got the migraine by being kicked and elbowed into the head by the Pistons.[/QUOTE]
are you actually ****ing serious?
that has to be the absolutely most insane, brain-dead take that i have had the displeasure of reading on here, and that is definitely an accomplishment, how the **** do i block someone on here?
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14475320]Oh shut up. He had great teammates. He played with 3 other hall of farmers and 2 hall of fame coaches.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14475328]Context is everything. How do you know he wasn't good enough? The context has to be applied. Did he have the team? How many times did Pippen have top tier talent around him while in his prime to say what he couldn't do? Did he have a fair chance?
That's what's funny. See guys like Worthy, McHale, are ways looked at as being good enough to be the best player on a championship team, even though they never got remotely close to doing so. Pippen did.
So how are you quantifying Pippen nor being able to win a championship? Because the teams he led weren't as good as the teams Jordan led. Why didn't Ewing, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Wilkins to name a few not win a championship or win championship as the teams best player as in the case with Robinson.
You don't get to say Pippen wasn't good enough and then excuse the players I listed for not doing what Pippen wasn't able to do when those players had a whole career to win as the best player where Pippen only had 1. Truth be told, Pippen faired as well as anybody else. The only reason the 20 players you alluded to have rings is because they had one of the top 3 teams that year. Typically players aren't expected to win unless they have the most talent. Unless you're Scottie Pippen.
I mean let's be fair.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Worthy or McHale are capable of winning titles as #1 options either. I have Pippen over both of them on my all-time list. And over Nique who was basically just a scorer.
I am fair. I just honestly don't see Pippen as a #1 option type of player. You probably have to score more than 22 ppg OR be a defensive anchor i.e. defensive big like Garnett to win titles as the clear-cut best player. There are a few exceptions but generally best players on title teams are either elite offensive players or elite two-way big men. Pippen fits into neither of those molds. Pippen at his peak in 1994 in terms of impact still falls well short of guys like Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Shaq and Hakeem. Pippen and Ewing are comparable around 1994 but 1990 peak Ewing was a bit better than any version of Pippen. Ewing was so good offensively that season and couldn't really sustain it as he got older.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14475331][B]We're all adults here and know the facts
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Kukoc was HOF for his euro career, so you're the one lying and stretching the truth
and Jordan 3-peated from 91-93' with 1 HOF and a 1st time, nobody coach - Phil was a 1st time, nobody coach in 90/91, while Jordan was already a goat candidate.
Those are the facts[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dankok8;14475370]I don't think Worthy or McHale are capable of winning titles as #1 options either. I have Pippen over both of them on my all-time list. And over Nique who was basically just a scorer.
I am fair. I just honestly don't see Pippen as a #1 option type of player. You probably have to score more than 22 ppg OR be a defensive anchor i.e. defensive big like Garnett to win titles as the clear-cut best player. [B]There are a few exceptions but generally best players on title teams are either elite offensive players or elite two-way big men. Pippen fits into neither of those molds. Pippen at his peak in 1994 in terms of impact still falls well short of guys like Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Shaq and Hakeem.[/B]Pippen and Ewing are comparable around 1994 but 1990 peak Ewing was a bit better than any version of Pippen. Ewing was so good offensively that season and couldn't really sustain it as he got older.[/QUOTE]
Magic on the Lakers, Isiah Thomas of the Bad Boy Pistons, the 08 Celtics, Tim Duncan on the Spurs, the 04 Pistons, that's 14 Championships We're the teams best player was scoring at roughly the same level as Scottie Pippen. The best player on the winningest NBA team ever wasn't a great scorer in Bill Russell. Pippen proved he could be just as effective at anchoring a defense as a great center when he led the Bulls to the 2nd best defense, led the league in steals, and led the league in defensive rating. What he didn't have was a bunch of opportunities and a top 3 team in his prime. Now I'm not saying Pippen is a top 10 level talent, but I put him in that 2nd tier with guys like Wade, Robinson, Nowitzki etc.
[QUOTE=outofstomach;14475354]are you actually ****ing serious?[/QUOTE]
WTF is wrong with you? You think his father dying and playing a game 7 against a violent team had nothing to do with him being under stress and pressure? What is Pippen a robot?
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14475385]WTF is wrong with you? You think his father dying and playing a game 7 against a violent team had nothing to do with him being under stress and pressure? What is Pippen a robot?[/QUOTE]
moreso the pistons roughing up Pippen somehow induces a magical migraine, you’re definitely a moron :lol
[QUOTE=outofstomach;14475388]moreso the pistons roughing up Pippen somehow induces a magical migraine, you’re definitely a moron :lol[/QUOTE]
Not just that asshole, his father dying a few weeks prior as well
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14475381]Magic on the Lakers, Isiah Thomas of the Bad Boy Pistons, the 08 Celtics, Tim Duncan on the Spurs, the 04 Pistons, that's 14 Championships We're the teams best player was scoring at roughly the same level as Scottie Pippen. The best player on the winningest NBA team ever wasn't a great scorer in Bill Russell. Pippen proved he could be just as effective at anchoring a defense as a great center when he led the Bulls to the 2nd best defense, led the league in steals, and led the league in defensive rating. What he didn't have was a bunch of opportunities and a top 3 team in his prime. Now I'm not saying Pippen is a top 10 level talent, but I put him in that 2nd tier with guys like Wade, Robinson, Nowitzki etc.[/QUOTE]
Magic was an elite offensive player. He obviously didn't score a lot but he was the greatest playmaking machine in history. Garnett, Duncan and Russell were elite two-way big men that I mentioned as the other lead dog archetype. It's a big offensive star or a two-way big man. Other kinds of players very rarely lead teams to titles as clear cut best players.
The Bad Boy Pistons are a good counterexample you gave. Isiah in 89 and 90 doesn't fit either of the two archetypes but then again he isn't a big megastar. I could see Pippen winning a ring on such a team as the best player (Isiah and Pippen are the same tier) but those teams are tougher to construct. You typically need really good depth of 3-4 borderline all-stars around the lead player and it's a very delicate balance of egos. And I'm not even sure Pippen could even carry a load offensively to pull it off. Isiah didn't score more than Pippen but he did so in key games and key moments. And if another player is carrying the offense then Pippen isn't the clear-cut best player any more and the argument falls apart. Pippen is an impactful defender but he isn't an anchor like the two-way big men. Pippen's defensive impact is small compared to someone like Garnett or Robinson so if someone else carries a lot of offensive load Pippen won't be clearly the best player any more.
[QUOTE=outofstomach;14475388]moreso the pistons roughing up Pippen somehow induces a magical migraine, you’re definitely a moron :lol[/QUOTE]
You're literally arguing with a Pippen's chief of advertising here so don't waste it :lol
#NEVERFORGET:
Averaged 37.1 points per game. Fully healthy, played 82 games.
Had a teammate who averaged 14.5 points, 13.1 rebounds and 3.6 assists - numbers which were averaged only by Charles Barkley, Shaq, Garnett, Giannis and Embiid since. Fully healthy, played 82 games.
Still failed to do as well as an all-star-less team led by a rookie version of this guy:
[IMG]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0420/9718/0826/products/The_Rifleman_Chuck_Person_Awn_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1602520243[/IMG]
Then this happened:
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/sxQfmm9F/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14474951]This is pretty much Jordan's only real weakness. While it could be effective and necessary, that in your face leadership style needed Phil and Pippen to balance things out. It is also true the other way around, you wont win trying to please everybody on the team and telling them things they wanna hear. Somebody needs to be the asshole and tell them what they need to hear to make the team better and tougher.[/QUOTE]
Being critical does not mean berating teammates. Berating teammates does not elevate a team
[QUOTE=Bawkish;14475550]You're literally arguing with a Pippen's chief of advertising here so don't waste it :lol[/QUOTE]
So basically the same applies with you and Jordan. Gotcha
is Pippen broke? I see he wants to make some money throwing such statements.
[QUOTE=theman93;14474805]And do you not blame Lebron's supporting cast for all the Finals he's lost?[/QUOTE]
Yes 8ball does.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14474946]Pippen is one of the best players of all time and Horance Grant was an all star. Cartwright threatened to beat the shit out of MJ. He should have.[/QUOTE]
LOLing at Grant's 1 All-Star appearance.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14475328]Context is everything. How do you know he wasn't good enough? The context has to be applied. Did he have the team? How many times did Pippen have top tier talent around him while in his prime to say what he couldn't do? Did he have a fair chance?
That's what's funny. See guys like Worthy, McHale, are ways looked at as being good enough to be the best player on a championship team, even though they never got remotely close to doing so. Pippen did.
So how are you quantifying Pippen nor being able to win a championship? Because the teams he led weren't as good as the teams Jordan led. Why didn't Ewing, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Wilkins to name a few not win a championship or win championship as the teams best player as in the case with Robinson.
You don't get to say Pippen wasn't good enough and then excuse the players I listed for not doing what Pippen wasn't able to do when those players had a whole career to win as the best player where Pippen only had 1. Truth be told, Pippen faired as well as anybody else. The only reason the 20 players you alluded to have rings is because they had one of the top 3 teams that year. Typically players aren't expected to win unless they have the most talent. Unless you're Scottie Pippen.
I mean let's be fair.[/QUOTE]
There was only one year the Bulls lost to the Knicks in the playoffs in the 90's...
[QUOTE=hateraid;14475668]Being critical does not mean berating teammates. Berating teammates does not elevate a team[/QUOTE]
You must have missed the part when I called it a weakness?
What Pippen is saying is not particularly new information. I made the following post on here over a decade ago.
[QUOTE=jlip;5071609][I]"On the Bulls he [Pippen] was probably the player most liked by the others. He mingled. He could bring out the best in the players and communicate the best. [B]Leadership, real leadership, is one of his strengths[/B]. Everybody would say Michael is a great leader. He leads by example, by rebuke, by harsh words. [B]Scottie's leadership was equally dominant[/B], but it's a leadership of patting the back, support."[/I]
Phil Jackson
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017938/5/index.htm[/url]
"[I][B]Scottie was our team leader.[/B] He was the guy that directed our offense and he was the guy that took on a lot of big challenges defensively...[/I]"
Phil Jackson
[url]http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2005/12/scottie-pippens-place-in-basketball.html[/url]
Bill Wennington echoes the same sentiments in his book, entitled [I]Bill Wennington's Tales from the Bulls Hardwood[/I]. He says
[I]"Scottie was my favorite Bull. It's not the most popular thing to say in Chicago, because Michael is supposed to be everybody's favorite. And I loved Michael as a person and as a teammate. I just appreciated Scottie more...
Michael will test you everyday. But Michael will also let you burn in the coach's eyes to see how you handle the situation. [B]Scottie handled his relationships with his teammates differently, and better, in my opinion [/B]...
My first season with the Bulls was the 1993-94 season, the first one Michael did not play because of his initial retirement. In that season I saw Scottie as No. 1...I played with a lot of players--Chris Webber, Mark Aguirre, Sam Perkins--[B]Scottie was head and shoulders above all of those players in terms of leadership [/B]and what he stood for as a team basketball player...
...But what Scottie represented to me is a player whom I would pick 1st for my team every time. Even if Michael was available, I would pick Scottie Pippen...
...[B]Scottie led that team[/B] ['93-'94 Bulls] to 55 wins...Maybe it's apples to oranges, but t[B]hat season was an indication of what Scottie was capable of doing as a team leader.[/B]"[/I]
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=EipQcbzkyvoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=bill+wennington&hl=en&ei=vTiaTKq6MoG0lQeMvJTuDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url] pp.11-17[/QUOTE]
Seems you have to be an unprincipled beta bitch to think of Jordan as great at pretty much anything outside of being an amazing lead guard in an offense.
Complete flawed jackass mentally.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14475682]There was only one year the Bulls lost to the Knicks in the playoffs in the 90's...[/QUOTE]
And what does that mean? Let's cut the false equivalentcies. Nobody I'm their right mind would suggest that the Bulls should've won without MJ. And I'd you do, what does that say for MJ?
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14475680]LOLing at Grant's 1 All-Star appearance.[/QUOTE]
Grant's 1 All-Star appearance happened in the exact 1 season he played with on the Bulls but without Jordan.
The fact that this was the case is at least as much of a bad look for Jordan as it is for Grant.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14476298]Grant's 1 All-Star appearance happened in the exact 1 season he played with on the Bulls but without Jordan.
The fact that this was the case is at least as much of a bad look for Jordan as it is for Grant.[/QUOTE]
How many all-star appearances did Grant make with the Magic and the Lakers? I'll wait while you Google it.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14476298]Grant's 1 All-Star appearance happened in the exact 1 season he played with on the Bulls but without Jordan.
The fact that this was the case is at least as much of a bad look for Jordan as it is for Grant.[/QUOTE]
So in '93-'94 Pippen had 2 all-star teammates and they got bounced in the second round. Jordan had 1 all-star teammate from 92-93 and they won the chip each year. In fact, he had no all-star teammates in 91.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14476387]So in '93-'94 Pippen had 2 all-star teammates and they got bounced in the second round. Jordan had 1 all-star teammate from 92-93 and they won the chip each year. In fact, he had no all-star teammates in 91.[/QUOTE]
The fact that they ARE all star calibre is relevant. Otherwise fukk outta here with that Kyrie bs.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14476382]How many all-star appearances did Grant make with the Magic and the Lakers? I'll wait while you Google it.[/QUOTE]
Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing without Jordan: 1
Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing with Jordan: 0
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14476382]So in '93-'94 Pippen had 2 all-star teammates and they got bounced in the second round. Jordan had 1 all-star teammate from 92-93 and they won the chip each year. In fact, he had no all-star teammates in 91.[/QUOTE]
Yes, something sure was bouncing. It was that little ball inside the refs whistle as he blew air in it while calling out one of the most bullshit calls ever:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg[/IMG]
The type of call which the Bulls always got called in their favor when ref-darling Jordan was playing for them.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14476400]Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing without Jordan: 1
Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing with Jordan: 0
Yes, something sure was bouncing. It was that little ball inside the refs whistle as he blew air in it while calling out one of the most bullshit calls ever:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg[/IMG]
The type of call which the Bulls always got called in their favor when ref-darling Jordan was playing for them.[/QUOTE]
Nice attempt at a deflection. What do ref bad calls have to do with the number of all-star appearances for Grant?
Hubert Davis was another top nemesis of Jordan's
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14476400]Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing without Jordan: 1
Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing with Jordan: 0
Yes, something sure was bouncing. It was that little ball inside the refs whistle as he blew air in it while calling out one of the most bullshit calls ever:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg[/IMG]
The type of call which the Bulls always got called in their favor when ref-darling Jordan was playing for them.[/QUOTE]
[B].
[SIZE=3]Pippen hacks the shit out of Hubert:[/SIZE]
[img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/W44XtX.gif[/img]
Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:
[img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/_p33FZ.gif[/img]
Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/8uUPI_.gif[/IMG]
So Pippen choked many times - the "sit out" game, the "dumb foul" game, and Game 7, plus a lot of other little chokes in between.. Ewing easily outplayed Pippen because Ewing was a real 1st option, while Pippen wasn't even a 2nd option without MJ
Pippen won 55 in 94' because he had a defending 3-peat champion - without that, the Bulls were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat capability.. It isn't like the 95' Bulls were going to recover without MJ and be a contender in 96' - only MJ elevated them from borderline lottery in 95' to 3-peat caliber in 96'[/B]
[QUOTE=3ba11;14476440][B].
[SIZE=3]Pippen hacks the shit out of Hubert:[/SIZE]
[img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/W44XtX.gif[/img]
Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:
[img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/_p33FZ.gif[/img]
Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/8uUPI_.gif[/IMG]
So Pippen choked many times - the "sit out" game, the "dumb foul" game, and Game 7, plus a lot of other little chokes in between.. Ewing easily outplayed Pippen because Ewing was a real 1st option, while Pippen wasn't even a 2nd option without MJ
Pippen won 55 in 94' because he had a defending 3-peat champion - without that, the Bulls were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat capability[/B][/QUOTE]
Pippen passing to Armstrong sure reminds me of LeBeta passing to Kyrie, except Kyrie hit the shot.
Eerily similar players
[Img]https://i.postimg.cc/8PLMxbGv/Demar-De-Jordan.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=dankok8;14475370]I don't think Worthy or McHale are capable of winning titles as #1 options either. I have Pippen over both of them on my all-time list. And over Nique who was basically just a scorer.
I am fair. I just honestly don't see Pippen as a #1 option type of player. You probably have to score more than 22 ppg OR be a defensive anchor i.e. defensive big like Garnett to win titles as the clear-cut best player. There are a few exceptions but generally best players on title teams are either elite offensive players or elite two-way big men. Pippen fits into neither of those molds. Pippen at his peak in 1994 in terms of impact still falls well short of guys like Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Shaq and Hakeem. Pippen and Ewing are comparable around 1994 but 1990 peak Ewing was a bit better than any version of Pippen. Ewing was so good offensively that season and couldn't really sustain it as he got older.[/QUOTE]
Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. Like if the Pistons 04 could do it, I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.
I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.
[QUOTE=Micku;14476576]Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. [SIZE=5]Like if the Pistons 04 could do it[/SIZE], I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.
I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.[/QUOTE]
The 2004 Pistons required Chauncey Billups to be extremely clutch and hit a ton of big shots to win FMVP (Chauncey earned clutch-related nicknames from his goat level of clutchness throughout those playoffs), so Pippen couldn't be #1 option and win with those Pistons.
However, the 2004 Pistons won with Tyshaun Prince at SF, so they can win with a ton of SF's and could [U]probably[/U] win with Pippen, but not as 1st option because clutch is required from a champion 1st option.
And I say "probably" because Pippen was a negative in the 4th quarter and when the game was tight (clutch time), so it isn't a guarantee they could win with him.. Ultimately, it means exactly nothing to cite the most balanced team that ever won and say that Player X could've won with them.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14476587]The 2004 Pistons required Chauncey Billups to be extremely clutch and hit a ton of big shots to win FMVP (Chauncey earned clutch-related nicknames from his goat level of clutchness throughout those playoffs), so Pippen couldn't be #1 option and win with those Pistons.
However, the 2004 Pistons won with Tyshaun Prince at SF, so they can win with a ton of SF's and could [U]probably[/U] win with Pippen, but not as 1st option because clutch is required from a champion 1st option.
And I say "probably" because Pippen was a negative in the 4th quarter and when the game was tight (clutch time), so it isn't a guarantee they could win with him.. Ultimately, it means exactly nothing to cite the most balanced team that ever won and say that Player X could've won with them.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, it took kobe bricking a lot of shots and being selfish that led to his team losing in the 2004 finals while they'd probably do fine without him.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14474748]No excuses.
LeBron had even less help in 2018 playoffs and made the finals.[/QUOTE]
Lebron had Iverson, Wade, Melo, Dwight, Duncan and got bronze medal.
Lebron with Shaq was bounced in round 2. Wade with Shaq won a title, Kobe with Shaq won 3 titles.
[QUOTE=Micku;14476576]Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. Like if the Pistons 04 could do it, I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.
I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.[/QUOTE]
Give the 94 Bulls an Allen Houston level SG, and he'd have a great chance at winning a championship as the best player. Replace Tayshaun Prince with prime Pippen on that 2004 team. Theh probably win 2-3 championships and are considered an all-time great team. And Pippen would be the clear cut best player.
But what I don't get is, why would you take players like Robinson and Barkley over Pippen? I mean, we saw what those two could do with a combined 20+ years leading a team to a title and they failed. What's the difference?
[QUOTE=Micku;14476576]Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. Like if the Pistons 04 could do it, I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.
I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.[/QUOTE]
Long time no see Micku! How've you been bud? :D
This is what I literally said in the post after the one you quoted! Pippen could definitely win as the best player on an ensemble squad like the 2004 Pistons. However as you said, those teams are tough to construct. That's why there haven't been too many championship teams like that.
[QUOTE=Micku;14476576]Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. Like if the Pistons 04 could do it, I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.
I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. [B]And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation[/B]. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.[/QUOTE]
I remember one time in Open Court when they're arguing if there's any player that was "Lebron" before Lebron. 1st thing came up was Grant Hill, then Chuck suggest what about Pippen, and oh boy you could see the reactions of Chauncey, CWebb and especially Zeke. Zeke about to have a breakdown on that particular topic