I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.
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I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14482729]I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.[/QUOTE]
Troll: MJ was retired for 2 years. He took a break!
Sane person: He played another sport and at a professional level.
Troll: In other words, he was well rested.
A 'coach potato' is a great way to describe them. I prefer morons.
Lebron - zero MVP's and zero All-Defensive Teams in his 30's
MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.
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[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14482742]Lebron - zero MVP's and zero All-Defensive Teams in his 30's
MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.
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Damn this can't be true?
MJ Stan’s have all the excuses
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14482711]It depends on the players dude. Mj is a maniac. His work ethic is as legendary as his determination. I would agree if we weren't talking about mj but mj was apparently putting in a full day of training on game days and non game days. Bron isn't doing anything close to that. So it isn't like we're comparing 2 hrs of baseball training to 2 hrs of basketball training. We're comparing 2 hrs of basketball to 10 hrs of baseball.[/QUOTE]
Links to all this grueling training that MJ was doing?
What did a full day of training on game days consist of in Double A baseball?
MJ would run / exert more energy in one quarter of an NBA game than he would standing in the outfield with his thumb up his ass for an entire baseball game.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14482729]I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.[/QUOTE]
Professional?? He didn't come close to breaking the Major Leagues. That doesn't happen to players who bat .202
[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14482784]MJ Stan’s have all the excuses[/QUOTE]
So what has Lebron done this season to prove that he's better than Wizards' MJ? a 39 pt game against a mediocre Defense? 38 y.o MJ did this.. Didn't need the 3PT shot either.
[video=youtube_share;RFZFBfnmVQY]https://youtu.be/RFZFBfnmVQY[/video]
Current Lebron is averaging 3.8 FTA, 38-39 y.o MJ with 3 years removed from basketball averaged 5.6 FTA in a much tougher defensive era.
[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14482784]MJ Stan’s have all the excuses[/QUOTE]
Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14482889]Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14482889]Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.[/QUOTE]
Uh oh :oldlol:
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14482889]Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.[/QUOTE]
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:lol Idiot
[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14483028]wHaT aBouT hIs tWenTieS
:lol Idiot[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14482742]MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.
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How many without pippen? Lmao.
[QUOTE=Axe;14483200]How many without pippen? Lmao.[/QUOTE]
That argument is kinda weak when that coincides with the player's and team's progression to their peaks.
OP is 5'2"
[QUOTE=8Ball;14482166]The knock on Jordan is that he didn't have longevity. Only 13 real seasons played. Too little.[/QUOTE]Longevity has to matter in a GOAT debate imo. The average nba career is 4.5 years, having more than double that in Finals appearances is impressive.
[QUOTE=Axe;14483200]How many without pippen? Lmao.[/QUOTE]Is Jordan not allowed to have a teammate? If the Bulls got Drob in that draft or Pippen was traded for Kemp and Jordan wins with a different all-star, would his legacy become somehow more impressive?
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482796]Links to all this grueling training that MJ was doing?
What did a full day of training on game days consist of in Double A baseball?
MJ would run / exert more energy in one quarter of an NBA game than he would standing in the outfield with his thumb up his ass for an entire baseball game.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4sVpVdJDQ[/url] frank thomas talking about how he worked harder than everyone.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/last-dance-news-michael-jordan-trainer-warned-him-that-baseball-workouts-would-ruin-his-basketball-abilities/amp/[/url] one of the best trainers telling mj how all the baseball training would hurt him physically for basketball. Why would this be if the 2 year break from basketball was actually a break?
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-hit-so-much-that-his-hands-would-bleed/%3famp[/url] coaching staff about how he worked so hard his hands would bleed and they worried he was training too hard.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14483989][url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4sVpVdJDQ[/url] frank thomas talking about how he worked harder than everyone.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/last-dance-news-michael-jordan-trainer-warned-him-that-baseball-workouts-would-ruin-his-basketball-abilities/amp/[/url] one of the best trainers telling mj how all the baseball training would hurt him physically for basketball. Why would this be if the 2 year break from basketball was actually a break?
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-hit-so-much-that-his-hands-would-bleed/%3famp[/url] coaching staff about how he worked so hard his hands would bleed and they worried he was training too hard.[/QUOTE]
I guess baseball players aren't athletes? Of course, only Bran stans believe this. Not to mention ground consistently covered as an OF'er. It's not like MJ was a DH or 1b.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14483989][url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4sVpVdJDQ[/url] frank thomas talking about how he worked harder than everyone.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/last-dance-news-michael-jordan-trainer-warned-him-that-baseball-workouts-would-ruin-his-basketball-abilities/amp/[/url] one of the best trainers telling mj how all the baseball training would hurt him physically for basketball. Why would this be if the 2 year break from basketball was actually a break?
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-hit-so-much-that-his-hands-would-bleed/%3famp[/url] coaching staff about how he worked so hard his hands would bleed and they worried he was training too hard.[/QUOTE]
Watch Lebrontards deflect or run away from this post altogether.
Hard to tell. 37 is older for professional athletes but if you talk to a 40 year old, they'll tell you they wish they could go back to 37 even if they are declining.
I look at it more like the IQ and athletiscm of the younger prospects catches up. Jordan struggled and didn't even defend Kobe Pierce Tmac Carter because they could defend him fairly effectively.
Bron has just enough to juice to outrun guys in the open court but he can't blow by guys anymore nor can he rise up and cram on guys. He's in this weird plays like a throwback big but is tasked with defending the perimeter.
[QUOTE=PP34Deuce;14484534]Hard to tell. 37 is older for professional athletes but if you talk to a 40 year old, they'll tell you they wish they could go back to 37 even if they are declining.
I look at it more like the IQ and athletiscm of the younger prospects catches up. Jordan struggled and didn't even defend Kobe Pierce Tmac Carter because they could defend him fairly effectively.
Bron has just enough to juice to outrun guys in the open court but he can't blow by guys anymore nor can he rise up and cram on guys. He's in this weird plays like a throwback big but is tasked with defending the perimeter.[/QUOTE]
Kobe was the only guy that Wizards' Jordan didn't defend...
Otherwise, Wizards' Jordan was the primary defender on Tmac, Pierce and Carter - outplaying them about half the time he faced them during the Wizards years.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14484539]Kobe was the only guy that Wizards' Jordan didn't defend...
Otherwise, Wizards' Jordan was the primary defender on Tmac, Pierce and Carter - outplaying them about half the time he faced them during the Wizards years.[/QUOTE]
He didn’t come close to outperforming McGrady in any of their meetings. I don’t know about the others.
Jordan didn't defend those guys half the time because he didn't play even 70 games first year and he came off the bench for 15 or so games the following year.
Wizards defenders for athletic swing men were RIP and Tyrone Nesby who was athletic and 6 8. Most of Jordan's defensive plays in regular season were his great block in eon mercer. After that, Jordan wasn't clamping guys up nor was he a liability.
My main point was once the next generation has their IQ catch up to their athletiscm that's when an all time player hits the back 9.
Not even close
[QUOTE=8Ball;14482166]The knock on Jordan is that he didn't have longevity. Only 13 real seasons played. Too little.[/QUOTE]
In the little time he did play though he did more than anyone else though. Thats with players having the longevity argument against him
current lebron is better than 96-98 mj.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14507236]current lebron is better than 96-98 mj.[/QUOTE]
On defense?
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14507236]current lebron is better than 96-98 mj.[/QUOTE]
Are you thinking of the same Lebron that I'm thinking of? The one who can't even get what should be a super team, the pre-season favorite in the west, up to .500?
current LeBron is a much better player than any version of lebron offensively so yes hes obviously better than wizards jordan.
it is kind of fishy though that lebrons basically a 30ppg player on 54% now even though he never came close to that kind of output and efficiency at the same time in any other of his 18 seasons
I'd have to say, going by the past few days, johnny32 is now officially the dumbest cvnt on ish.
Granted, I don't think even he believes most of what he says....but God dammit hhahahahaah
it's funny how they try to pretend 96-98 jordan wasn't an inefficient chucker on one end who has hidden on defense on the other end. unfortunately for them those of us who watched him (nba lg pass on primestar 96-98) know better.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14507339]it's funny how they try to pretend 96-98 jordan wasn't an inefficient chucker on one end who has hidden on defense on the other end. unfortunately for them those of us who watched him (nba lg pass on primestar 96-98) know better.[/QUOTE]
Jordan was top 5 DPOY from 88-98'
Meanwhile, Pippen was hidden in the 98' ECF by guarding the slowest PG of all-time, while MJ had to run a few miles defending HOF Miller.
Jordan was also the primary defender on Gary Payton in Games 3 and 5 of the 96' Finals.
And we can't compare efficiency because Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals or various playoff runs, so he didn't face maximum defensive attention like Jordan.
Obviously Lebron is better than Wizards Jordan, but that version of Jordan was a total joke. He should've never come back, that was embarrassing.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14507393]Obviously Lebron is better than Wizards Jordan, but that version of Jordan was a total joke. He should've never come back, that was embarrassing.[/QUOTE]
At this same point in the season, 2002 Jordan was [I]winning[/I] with the Wizards (4 seed) and 1 of 3 players getting 25/5/5 (Kobe/Tmac/MJ), while also having numerous 40/50 point games and game-winners over Lebron's bully (Marion).
Otoh, Lebron is a year younger but basically lottery or 1st Round in the West without AD, with the most empty-stat style of all-time (6'9" westbricking)
Tim Duncan was a more impactful franchise player than Lebron. Wake me up when Lebron has 5 titles. He better get it soon 😅
[QUOTE=Dengness9;14507406]Tim Duncan was a more impactful franchise player than Lebron. Wake me up when Lebron has 5 titles. He better get it soon ��[/QUOTE]
Wake me up when prime LeBron loses to an 8th seed.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14507381]Jordan was top 5 DPOY from 88-98'
Meanwhile, Pippen was hidden in the 98' ECF by guarding the slowest PG of all-time, while MJ had to run a few miles defending HOF Miller.
Jordan was also the primary defender on Gary Payton in Games 3 and 5 of the 96' Finals.
And we can't compare efficiency because Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals or various playoff runs, so he didn't face maximum defensive attention like Jordan.[/QUOTE]
false. he was 7th in 91 and 6th in 96. it's a rep award anyway. his teammates were much better defenders. from 96-98 he consistently was hidden on the third worst perimeter scorer on the opposing team for long stretches of most games. he got beat like a drum by quick guards during this span. you're not changing history for those of us who saw it. sry.
Your Goat only has 4 titles? ��. Sounds like hell to me. You must be another one of Delonte’s bastard children.