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[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14490366]Well, for one Roy Hibbert didn't beat LeBron once, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand beat Jordan...
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in the finals?
[QUOTE=Baller789;14490457]Tim Duncan never missed the playoffs in 19 years.
Wonder how many Finals he would have reached if he played in the LEASTern Conference.
:lol[/QUOTE]:lol
[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14490526]And who could forget LeBron's legendary series closing game 6 and 7 of the 2013 Finals
Game 6
32/10/11/3
Game 7
37/12/4/2
He averaged 35/11/8/3 in GM6 and 7 to close out the Spurs[/QUOTE]
And who could forget Jordan's legendary 5-19 closing game from the 1996 finals? Well, Jordan stans would sure like you to. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller789;14490381]No problem. I can give you that.
Still wondering why Mr. 1-9 got dragged into this.
It's as if you can't defend your hero without dragging Jordan along.
Talk about chasing a ghost. :lol
Still you haven't defended the weak LEASTERN Conference. :lol[/QUOTE]
I don't have to defend the eastern conference because LeBron still beat the western conference champions in a 7 game series...
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Meanwhile Jordan faced nothing but shit teams (when compared to other historically great teams), whether those teams were in the east OR west.
And who exactly are you arguing in favor of being greater than LeBron, if not Jordan?
Kobe? :roll:
Why are you arguing against LeBron, exactly? If you don't think LeBron is the GOAT, then you must have another player who is. Or do are you a cynic who thinks every player ever and everything is shit?
[video=youtube;_PF9JmtGZa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF9JmtGZa0[/video]
[QUOTE=mr4speed;14490161]I did not follow Boston the year before Bird played so I am curious how did Tiny play? Did it take him a whole season to come around? I know he missed the entire season the year before, but he played in 69 games the season Boston won only 29 games. Was Tiny a starter? I am having a hard time seeing that squad win 20 more games and winning 49 games.[/QUOTE]
Tiny always had problems with Achilles’ tendon. If I recall correctly even in college he was injury prone.
but he tore it bad in ‘73 or ‘74 and then later - so everybody thought - it just fully ended his career in ‘77-78 which he was DNP that year.
He was on the Nets which was ABA (Phil Jackson was winding down his playing days also on the Nets but I think he was even further down the bench than he was on the Knicks and he just looked bad on a trash team) so basically Tiny was… disappeared… since ABA pretty much sucked compared to the NBA except for a few big stars. Which he had been definitely a star, but always injured and only had two or three complete seasons and here he was out for the year.
But either the year off did it, or new doctors, or something, because he came out of it just great but Celtics kept him very strictly limited minutes that first year , which had to be hard to do for everybody involved. But then again Boston had him as a floor general not that slashing, fiery young G who had to be double teamed or else.
The guy who led the championship team with the longest championship odds at the beginning of the season and who led the previous year's last place sub-20 win team to a 54% win rate the following season and who is currently leading a team to the league's best record with a second scoring option who was a G-Leaguer last year.
[QUOTE=Stephonit;14490652]The guy who led the championship team with the longest championship odds at the beginning of the season and who led the previous year's last place sub-20 win team to a 54% win rate the following season and who is currently leading a team to the league's best record with a second scoring option who was a G-Leaguer last year.[/QUOTE]
I'm not impressed until you win a championship with him. Kawhi won a championship with Siakam who was in the g league 2 years prior.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14490599]I don't have to defend the eastern conference[/QUOTE]
Of course you won't, because you can't :applause:
[QUOTE]No because LeBron still beat the western conference champions in a 7 game series...[/QUOTE]
Did he beat them most of the time? Cause if he didn't... See above.
[QUOTE]Meanwhile Jordan faced nothing but shit teams (when compared to other historically great teams), whether those teams were in the east OR west.conference[/QUOTE]
It's pretty obvious you can't even properly defend your hero without mentioning Mike, pathetic.
[QUOTE]And who exactly are you arguing in favor of being greater than LeBron, if not Jordan?
Kobe? :roll:
Why are you arguing against LeBron, exactly? If you don't think LeBron is the GOAT, then you must have another player who is. Or do are you a cynic who thinks every player ever and everything is shit?
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If you look closely at this thread, my answer was Tim Duncan. But you seem to have Jordan stuck so far up your @$$ you don't even notice it. :roll:
[QUOTE=Kawhi_Why_Not;14490671]I'm not impressed until you win a championship with him. Kawhi won a championship with Siakam who was in the g league 2 years prior.[/QUOTE]
And he averaged 20ppg in the finals. How trash was the competition?
[SIZE=5].
1-star teams that made Finals:
[U]80's [/U]
None
[U]90's[/U]
94' Knicks
94' Rockets
[U]00's[/U]
00' Pacers
01' Sixers
02' Nets
03' Nets
07' Cavs
09' Magic
[U]10's [/U]
11' Mavs
19' Raptors
20' Heat
21' Bucks
TLDR: 00's East was trash because 1-star teams rountinely won it, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in[/SIZE]
How many players carried a low seed over a #1 SRS team?
I can only think of 1 guy.
kobe got kwame and smush as starters to the playoffs
then took a team with jordan farmer, Sasha bujacic, Luke Walton, dj mbenga, shanon brown, Adam Morrison, crackhead odumb and gasol to a near 3peat
lol @ counting 2018 love as a star but not siakam or middleton.
love - 15 ppg on 39% in the postseason
siakam - 19 ppg on 47% in the postseason
middleton - 24 ppg on 44% in the postseason
[QUOTE=3ba11;14490748][SIZE=5].
1-star teams that made Finals:
[U]80's [/U]
None
[U]90's[/U]
94' Knicks
94' Rockets
[U]00's[/U]
00' Pacers
01' Sixers
02' Nets
03' Nets
07' Cavs
09' Magic
[U]10's [/U]
11' Mavs
19' Raptors
20' Heat
21' Bucks
TLDR: 00's East was trash because 1-star teams rountinely won it, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in[/SIZE]
How many players carried a low seed over a #1 SRS team?
I can only think of 1 guy.[/QUOTE]
Good post!
[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14490193]After LeBron?
Probably Pippen for dragging a dead weight, 1-9 career loser to 6 Finals.[/QUOTE]
SHUT it DOWN :lol
[QUOTE=Shooter;14603875]SHUT it DOWN :lol[/QUOTE]
Need an answer on each thread below.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url]
Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2[/url]
Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED[/url]
Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2[/url]
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.
Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14[/url]
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url]
And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster[/url]
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.
Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10?[/url] Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
Devin Booker broke Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482[/url]
Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season[/url]
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats[/url]
Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600[/url]
How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry[/url]
Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360[/url]
Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac[/url]
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.
Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.
LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming[/url]
[url]https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James[/url]
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:
[url]http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html[/url]
First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371[/url]
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LeBron easily
07-10 Cavs
2018 Cavs
None of those teams had any business making the finals and winning 60+ games in the regular season
[QUOTE=Manny98;14603909]LeBron easily
07-10 Cavs
2018 Cavs
None of those teams had any business making the finals and winning 60+ games in the regular season[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the incredible 2015 run with the Cavs:
- Love injured in the first round and out for the remainder of the playoffs
- J.R. Smith suspended for the first two games of the 2nd round
- Sweeping the 60-win Hawks with Kyrie missing 2 games of the series and playing 24.6 minutes per game in the other two.
- Somehow winning 2 games against 100% healthy 67-win Warriors without Kyrie, Love and with Matthew Dellavedova being his #2 scoring option
And then there's the 2013 championship, which he won with his #2 scorer averaging 15.9 ppg in the playoffs.
[QUOTE=Kawhi_Why_Not;14490671]I'm not impressed until you win a championship with him. Kawhi won a championship with Siakam who was in the g league 2 years prior.[/QUOTE]
Done.
Steve Kerr.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14490088]There were a lot more nuance than that to that turnaround. Tiny Archibald returned to form after a devastating injury. Signing of a very good role player in ML Carr. Getting an actual coach in Bill Fitch.
Of course rookie Bird was the biggest factor to the turnaround but that team if fully healthy and had a real coach was more of a 49 win team, not 29.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call returning Tiny returning to form as his prime he avg 34 pts and 11 assist, in 1980 he avg 14 pts and 8 assist.
Ball-dominators can't beat good teams while carrying the scoring load because they lack sufficient brand of ball at high scoring levels and therefore need all-time scorers at sidekick like Kareem, Wade, AD or Kyrie
Otoh, off-ball players like Curry or MJ maintain good brand at high scoring burdens, so they can beat good teams while carrying the scoring load and can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.