Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman hint that LeBron's on PED's/Steroids

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14492965]I’ll tell you what.[/QUOTE]
:cry: PLEASE love my Kobe :cry:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14492984[B]]Lebron has taken PED’s his entire career, it’s the inconvenient truth[/B]. Not saying lots of other athletes do as well. But let’s be honest for a minute here at the question at hand. Lebron has done PED’s.[/QUOTE]
Says the addict who sucks on the glass dick all day.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14492994]No way it’s that widespread. Not even baseball at its worst was. That’s cycling levels of doping and it would be impossible to keep that many people quiet. Whatever you could make selling to Steph Curry wouldnt match the book deal to expose the ring. Someone somewhere would have the dirt even if it’s just the guy who introduces you to the guy who gets the shipment from the guy. This world is too petty and jealous to keep that quiet for 500 people for this long. It was never kept quiet in baseball or cycling. People just didn’t care that much till they decided they suddenly did.[/QUOTE]

When Rashard Lewis and Hidayet Turkoglu get busted for PEDs who were both skinny af and then you have guys that look like LeBron, yes, it is that widespread. I just don't think you want to admit it or can't see it for whatever reason.

Pretty sure Jameer Nelson was getting his juice the same place that LeBron was getting his in Miami. I remember that being a thing with someone releasing some circumstantial/somewhat speculative evidence. Then remember that year in his second Cleveland stint where he came back from the offseason skinny af? Remember how his numbers were pedestrian for his standards and then he took a week long vacation mid season and came back looking better, jumping out of the gym again and numbers started skyrocketing? lol.

Anyone honestly think Dwight wasn't on something in his Orlando days? What happened to all that muscle around his shoulders?

**** outta here.

I would assume that at this point most of the league is juicing and they have been for a very long time.

And that's not to say that LeBron completely natural isn't one of the most athletic freaks in NBA history because I think he still clearly is but I don't think he's doing what he's doing now at this age without assistance.


But I don't want to get sidetracked here... just because we have posters that are obsessed with slurping LeBron on an irrational level does not mean that obsessing via SPECULATION over LeBron doing steroids is acceptable behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right and it doesn't make OP's behavior ok despite the fact that he clearly thinks it does, lol. [B][U][I][SIZE=6]At least they talk about OTHER things. OP ONLY talks about LeBron and roids now.[/SIZE][/I][/U][/B]

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14492988]Probably true too.[/QUOTE]

Respect.

OP's obsession with Lebron is approaching 3ball level. How many times has me made the exact same topic or bumped this topic? Disturbing.

Lebron has missed almost half the season, something that never happened when he was younger. I wouldn't call that evidence of steroids.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14493004]OP's obsession with Lebron is approaching 3ball level. How many times has me made the exact same topic or bumped this topic? Disturbing.

Lebron has missed almost half the season, something that never happened when he was younger. I wouldn't call that evidence of steroids.[/QUOTE]

A 37 year old with 19 years in the league averaging 30/10/10 in his last 7 games doing chase down blocks looking more jacked than anyone in the league is slightly suspicious.

[QUOTE=Shogon;14493000]When Rashard Lewis and Hidayet Turkoglu get busted for PEDs who were both skinny af and then you have guys that look like LeBron, yes, it is that widespread. I just don't think you want to admit it or can't see it for whatever reason.

Pretty sure Jameer Nelson was getting his juice the same place that LeBron was getting his in Miami. I remember that being a thing with someone releasing some circumstantial/somewhat speculative evidence. Then remember that year in his second Cleveland stint where he came back from the offseason skinny af? Remember how his numbers were pedestrian for his standards and then he took a week long vacation mid season and came back looking better, jumping out of the gym again and numbers started skyrocketing? lol.

Anyone honestly think Dwight wasn't on something in his Orlando days? What happened to all that muscle around his shoulders?

**** outta here.

I would assume that at this point most of the league is juicing and they have been for a very long time.

And that's not to say that LeBron completely natural isn't one of the most athletic freaks in NBA history because I think he still clearly is but I don't think he's doing what he's doing now at this age without assistance.


But I don't want to get sidetracked here... just because we have posters that are obsessed with slurping LeBron on an irrational level does not mean that obsessing via SPECULATION over LeBron doing steroids is acceptable behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right and it doesn't make OP's behavior ok despite the fact that he clearly thinks it does, lol. [B][U][I][SIZE=6]At least they talk about OTHER things. OP ONLY talks about LeBron and roids now.[/SIZE][/I][/U][/B][/QUOTE]

Oh don’t worry, it’s pretty clear guys like Dwight wade ben Wallace and probably Zion were/are also on stuff.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14493010]A 37 year old with 19 years in the league averaging 30/10/10 in his last 7 games doing chase down blocks looking more jacked than anyone in the league is slightly suspicious.[/QUOTE]

He has only played 16 games this season and only played half a season last year. That didn't happen when Lebron was younger.

Guys in their late 30 are fine playing half a season. It is playing the entire season plus playoffs that is the problem.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14493018]He has only played 16 games this season and only played half a season last year. That didn't happen when Lebron was younger.

Guys in their late 30 are fine playing half a season. It is playing the entire season plus playoffs that is the problem.[/QUOTE]
Lol…keep sticking your head in the sand.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14493019]Lol…keep sticking your head in the sand.[/QUOTE]

This season his longest streak of games played without missing any is 5. His last two were against those defensive powerhouses OKC and Orlando.

Your obsession with him is really bizarre. How much time do you spend on youtube searching for vids about Lebron?

:facepalm

[QUOTE] yes, it is that widespread. I just don't think you want to admit it or can't see it for whatever reason. [/QUOTE]

Nah. What we have here is the early stages of something we do often. Someone makes a massive exaggeration. I explain why it’s not actually that bad. After 6 rounds we get to “Well no not LITERALLY” when you could have just agreed it was an exaggeration to begin with. There’s no way there are less than 5 clean nba players. The number might seem like a lot of the general public found out all of them at once….but we wouldn’t have 4 holy men left out getting all the media requests because they stayed clean. I’ve personally known nba players as have many of us. It doesn’t take steroids to be that good at basketball.

Some are there for sheer size, some shoot 30 million jumpers as a teen, and some are just natural athletic freaks who can’t really play. Some are just normal players. Random projects and coaches kids. The choir boys who are actually serious about it like Shawn Bradley.

Whatever the number of dirty players is it isn’t all but 2-3. I’d bet my life on and sleep well. So why can’t we just skip to the “Well yea but I meant more the spirit than the words you responded to” part?


That said I must admit to a general feeling that a lot of this board are just neck bearded lames who never actually worked out or spent time around good natural athletes when I see pictures used as evidence. Ever since I posted that pic of me at like 15 and had a couple people taking about how big I was. It feels like people here get in awe of anyone with any muscle as if it’s all freakish. A lot of nfl players are the king of big where it’s like “Jesus…”. Even muscular nba players look like dudes I’ve been around day to day. Always some action shot of someone flexing or something then you see them at rest and it’s just an in shape lanky dude. ISH acting like it’s Mr.Olympia.

Always been funny to me.

When you said “that widespread” I had apparently glanced over the “less than 5 clean guys” from the other poster because no I don’t think it’s only 5 clean players extreme but I do think it’s way more prevalent than most of us would like to believe.

For instance, I would be SHOCKED if even half of the league was clean.

I took your “that” as a stand-alone statement and not a direct response to someone’s number.

Him saying you can count the guys on one hand was obviously hyperbole. It’s not that much but it’s a shitload. Any number hovering around 50% wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

I also don't think most NBA players are taking steroids to put on muscle, either.

I think most of them are doing it for recovery and endurance.

And before we start talking about players of yesteryear playing more minutes, remember, it's easier to play that many minutes with less muscle on your frame, comparatively speaking.

Well with the issue of “that widespread” being settled I’ll move on.

And you’re right I’m sure most athletes don’t cheat for muscle. It’s for recovery and stamina. Which is why it’s so odd the people talked about are the ones with muscle(by the low standards of lanky basketball players). Something like 19 of the top 20 people in the Tour de France were caught doping at one point and there isn’t a bicep among them.

But every time some big grabs a rebound and an action shot shows his shoulders there’s some dude looking like the comic book guy talking about hgh as if he ever put himself through the workouts they do to see what he’d look like even clean.

[QUOTE]Simmons: Naive To Think NBA Has No Players On PEDs

During a podcast on Monday, ESPN NBA analyst Bill Simmons suggested that the lessons from baseball's performance enhancing drug problems of the past two decades need to be studied by those involved in basketball.

"The retroactive thing is really funny to me," said Simmons. "It does seem like there is this weird residual guilt, especially with the writers: 'We didn't know. I should have known. How did we not know?'

"Why aren't we asking that now with the other sports? What about basketball?[B] Go on YouTube and watch a basketball game from 1977 and see what the guys look like. You really think there are no PED guys in the NBA right now? You've got to be kidding me.[/B]

"It's just funny to me. If we end up repeating this whole cycle with the NBA. Everybody is going to be like, 'How did we not know?' It's the same thing we were going through with baseball in the late nineties."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Daring to Ask the PED Question[/QUOTE]

[url]http://grantland.com/features/daring-ask-ped-question[/url]

[QUOTE]Adam Silver: NBA is more concerned about HGH use than marijuana[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/16/nba-and-nbpa-to-introduce-hgh-blood-testing[/url]

[QUOTE]Why there’s never been a PED scandal in the NBA[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/why-theres-never-been-a-ped-scandal-in-the-nba[/url]

[QUOTE]Tell me the NBA has no Doping[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50443/tell-me-the-nba-has-no-doping[/url]

[QUOTE]Three NBA Doping Myths[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54045/three-nba-doping-myths[/url]


Seriously...look at 99% of the players in the history of the NBA then look at these guys, and tell me everyone is clean:


[IMG]https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/omnisport/6d/81/dennis-schroder-left-and-dwight-howard-right_1nfxt8xm663ie1r8bz55wythqg.jpg?t=747441442&quality=100[/IMG]

[IMG]https://imengine.prod.srp.navigacloud.com/?uuid=D0F61310-FAEC-459F-8147-7F587BF9A638&type=primary&q=72&width=1024[/IMG]

[IMG]https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_1066,w_1600/https%3A%2F%2Flakeshowlife.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2018%2F08%2F1199972171.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2020/01/usatsi_13930302_168382939_lowres-e1579456536295.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pics.me.me/ben-wallace-was-a-beast-17931050.png[/IMG]

^This dude is basically making a point against his own agenda that LeBron is taking steroids by posting pics of Dwight Howard's bulk, and implying that he is taking steroids. Dwight is still in the league and playing. How are his numbers compared to 2008-2012 Dwight?
How was Ben Wallace playing at LeBron's age?

OP is 115 pounds in winter clothing.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14493056]Well with the issue of “that widespread” being settled I’ll move on.

And you’re right I’m sure most athletes don’t cheat for muscle. It’s for recovery and stamina. Which is why it’s so odd the people talked about are the ones with muscle(by the low standards of lanky basketball players). Something like 19 of the top 20 people in the Tour de France were caught doping at one point and there isn’t a bicep among them.

But every time some big grabs a rebound and an action shot shows his shoulders there’s some dude looking like the comic book guy talking about hgh as if he ever put himself through the workouts they do to see what he’d look like even clean.[/QUOTE]

This.

Do you have more interesting pictures of the mighty king kong, op?

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14493156][url]http://grantland.com/features/daring-ask-ped-question[/url]



[url]http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/16/nba-and-nbpa-to-introduce-hgh-blood-testing[/url]



[url]https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/why-theres-never-been-a-ped-scandal-in-the-nba[/url]



[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50443/tell-me-the-nba-has-no-doping[/url]



[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54045/three-nba-doping-myths[/url]


Seriously...look at 99% of the players in the history of the NBA then look at these guys, and tell me everyone is clean:


[IMG]https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/omnisport/6d/81/dennis-schroder-left-and-dwight-howard-right_1nfxt8xm663ie1r8bz55wythqg.jpg?t=747441442&quality=100[/IMG]

[IMG]https://imengine.prod.srp.navigacloud.com/?uuid=D0F61310-FAEC-459F-8147-7F587BF9A638&type=primary&q=72&width=1024[/IMG]

[IMG]https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_1066,w_1600/https%3A%2F%2Flakeshowlife.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2018%2F08%2F1199972171.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2020/01/usatsi_13930302_168382939_lowres-e1579456536295.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pics.me.me/ben-wallace-was-a-beast-17931050.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Hey OP I love how you never mention Kobe as a juicer btw.

Guy goes to Germany for “treatment.”

Everyone knows Kobe was one of the biggest psychos in league history in terms of his competitive drive and you’re going to tell me his career was 100% clean?

Hahaha.

You post pics of LeBron as teenage twig and then of him muscled up… how about Kobe? Dude was an absolute rail in high school.

You think he didn’t at the very least try everything under the sun to try to beat injuries?

Part of these guys getting muscular is the insanity they put themselves through in the gym btw like blaze said and it’s also a natural part of getting older and it getting easier to put on muscle in your 20s than teens.

Throw in professional routines and professional diets and none of this is a surprise that they get way more muscular after high school.

But that being said I still think they’re all juicing… I just find it hilarious that OP puts himself through such mental gymnastics to target people he doesn’t like and protect those he does… cognitive dissonance at its finest.

Pay attention, you dope:

[url]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320107.php[/url]

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2609914/[/url]

[url]https://orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/treatment/platelet-rich-plasma-prp/[/url]

[url]https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp[/url]

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/stephen-curry-had-platelet-rich-plasma-treatment-on-his-right-knee-182950035.html?y20=1[/url]

[url]https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-what-is-platelet-rich-plasma-therapy-050416[/url]

[url]https://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/04/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-knee-injury-platelet-rich-plasma-treatment[/url]

[url]http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/7040472/kobe-bryant-knee-was-treated-former-papal-doctor-peter-wehling[/url]

I want more pictures please

This Lakers team can be a truly historic service to the history of the game of basketball.

This Lakers team can right so many wrongs all at once.

This Lakers team can be the apex culmination of:

-PED Abuse (Bran)
-Selfish all-time-great-stat-padding low impact selfishness (Westbrick)
-Room temperature IQ immaturity (overgrown child in cape)

If they can just catch those 3 pissing hot during their embarrassing first round playoff exit.

LeFraud Shames
Westbrick
Dwight

All juicing to regain former undeserved glory.
All going down in flames.
Would be brutally destructive poetry.
“For great justice”

Also don’t forget the Jaw tumor Bran had removed a decade ago.
And the biogenesis packages picked up by Rich Paul & associates that were labeled “LJ”.

Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, and Russell Westbrook’s boxes only contained 2-3 substances each. And only Rashard Lewis was found guilty, among the NBA Players implicated. Hella baseball players went down hard.


The “LJ” boxes contained 4 substances.
Winstrol (makes you lose your hair)
Deca-Durabolin (weaker roid; don’t lose hair)
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (clomid for post cycle)
Human Growth Hormone (HGH)

Winstrol is insanely anabolic. A racehorse trainer I know gives all his horses Winstrol, and sometimes does tiny doses himself. It’s instant hair loss, and insane gains. LeBron was likely tryin go to slowly wean himself off Winstrol onto Deca, as to avoid losing any more hair.

We all know about the drastic sickly weight loss that happened the off-season after the NBA announced upcoming blood testing.

But folks forget that huge jaw tumor. Jaw growth, temporal muscle growth (think Wade’s head width) and jaw tumors happen sometimes with HGH.

They don't call him LeBarryBonds for nothing

It's funny, because even without this literal cheating taken into account, large majority still don't respect this clown, hence him demanding his damn respect....even HE knows it.

Amazing what being an entitled, easy path quitter does to your respect levels

People with integrity don't respect you....simple

[QUOTE=BarberSchool;14495303]Also don’t forget the Jaw tumor Bran had removed a decade ago.
And the biogenesis packages picked up by Rich Paul & associates that were labeled “LJ”.

Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, and Russell Westbrook’s boxes only contained 2-3 substances each. And only Rashard Lewis was found guilty, among the NBA Players implicated. Hella baseball players went down hard.


The “LJ” boxes contained 4 substances.
Winstrol (makes you lose your hair)
Deca-Durabolin (weaker roid; don’t lose hair)
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (clomid for post cycle)
Human Growth Hormone (HGH)

Winstrol is insanely anabolic. A racehorse trainer I know gives all his horses Winstrol, and sometimes does tiny doses himself. It’s instant hair loss, and insane gains. LeBron was likely tryin go to slowly wean himself off Winstrol onto Deca, as to avoid losing any more hair.

We all know about the drastic sickly weight loss that happened the off-season after the NBA announced upcoming blood testing.

But folks forget that huge jaw tumor. Jaw growth, temporal muscle growth (think Wade’s head width) and jaw tumors happen sometimes with HGH.[/QUOTE]


[video=youtube;XCYTrAvrpnI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYTrAvrpnI[/video]


[video=youtube;ougMITHKVW8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8[/video]

[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14495307]They don't call him LeBarryBonds for nothing

It's funny, because even without this literal cheating taken into account, large majority still don't respect this clown, hence him demanding his damn respect....even HE knows it.

Amazing what being an entitled, easy path quitter does to your respect levels

People with integrity don't respect you....simple[/QUOTE]

Le Insecure
PEDron James!

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14495350][video=youtube;XCYTrAvrpnI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYTrAvrpnI[/video]


[video=youtube;ougMITHKVW8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8[/video][/QUOTE]

Your dumb ass posted pictures of Dwight Howard as one of the players being on steroids.
Dwight is still in the league and playing. On top of that he is nearly a full year younger than LeBron.
Why isn't he averaging anywhere near the same numbers as 2008-2012 Dwight?
Why hasn't he been averaging numbers that are anywhere near 2008-2012 Dwight for over half a decade now, even though he is on steroids?
Will you answer the question or deflect like a bitch?

[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14495389]Your dumb ass posted pictures of Dwight Howard as one of the players being on steroids.
Dwight is still in the league and playing. On top of that he is nearly a full year younger than LeBron.
Why isn't he averaging anywhere near the same numbers as 2008-2012 Dwight?
Why hasn't he been averaging numbers that are anywhere near 2008-2012 Dwight for over half a decade now, even though he is on steroids?
Will you answer the question or deflect like a bitch?[/QUOTE]

Waiting for your alts to attack with a bunch of emojis saying “got em” “LeRoid fam winning” etc.

[QUOTE=Baller789;14495367]Le Insecure
PEDron James![/QUOTE]

LeRoid. LeCheat. LePED.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14495350][video=youtube;XCYTrAvrpnI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYTrAvrpnI[/video]


[video=youtube;ougMITHKVW8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8[/video][/QUOTE]the tumor returned!!!


Great additions to this valuable thread.
We are all in pursuit of THE TRUTH, no ?

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14495549]Waiting for your alts to attack with a bunch of emojis saying “got em” “LeRoid fam winning” etc.[/QUOTE]

I see - deflect like a bitch it is.
Your weak ass "proof" and "arguments" just got absolutely DESTROYED because you couldn't answer a question your own dumb ass set yourself up for.

meltdown:roll:

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14496009]meltdown:roll:[/QUOTE]

Self-ownage. :banana:

Good grief, elitefailure posting like he has a clue about PEDs again?

He was already dismissed in the other thread. No need to embarrass him again

:mad:

...

[QUOTE=Shogon;14493467]Part of these guys getting muscular is the insanity they put themselves through in the gym btw like blaze said and it’s also a natural part of getting older and it getting easier to put on muscle in your 20s than teens.

Throw in professional routines and professional diets and none of this is a surprise that they get way more muscular after high school.

But that being said I still think they’re all juicing… I just find it hilarious that OP puts himself through such mental gymnastics to target people he doesn’t like and protect those he does… cognitive dissonance at its finest.[/QUOTE]

+1

Anyone that thinks elite athletes cannot pack on muscle with dialed in diet routines and trainers have NEVER worked out a day in their life and they probably are a fat piece of shit :lol

If you don't understand how muscle building works then get to the gym or STFU. Period.