RRR3/Satan deflecting when he's unable to answer the questions. Classic.
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RRR3/Satan deflecting when he's unable to answer the questions. Classic.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646444]And somehow still led his Wizards to a better record than Lebron who was "much better" :biggums::biggums:[/QUOTE]
Needed another OG Dream Team member to win 37 games. :biggums:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646449]If AD played like shit then how bad was Richard Hamilton?
:roll::roll::roll:[/QUOTE]
Played fine. At least he wasn't out there looking like he would have rather been at home drinking beer and playing XBox. Pretty sure AD was hungover most games.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14646452]Needed another OG Dream Team member to win 37 games. :biggums:[/QUOTE]
Lebron needed 3 other top 75 players win win 33 games. :biggums:
[QUOTE=SATAN;14646453]Played fine. At least he wasn't out there looking like he would have rather been at home drinking beer and playing XBox. Pretty sure AD was hungover most games.[/QUOTE]
Dang AD was out here averaging 23/10/3/1/2 on 57.8% TS with his mind on drinking beer and playing Xbox when Hamilton was out there giving it his all and only putting up 20/3/3/1/0 on 51.5% TS.
Lmaooooo excuses, excuses, excuses :roll:
[QUOTE=SATAN;14646410]Shhh, we only downplay the EC when LeBron wins. :lol[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=theman93;14646411]The 2022 WCF teams averaged a whole whopping 1.4 more wins per team than the 2002 ECF teams. Did the 2022 West suck too?[/QUOTE]
But why did you just move the goalposts, coach? Lmao.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646457][Img]https://y.yarn.co/935651c5-6986-478f-8c91-b863d6cf693a_text.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Feel free to answer the question, or run away like you typically do :lol
[QUOTE=theman93;14646411]The 2022 WCF teams averaged a whole whopping 1.4 more wins per team than the 2002 ECF teams. Did the 2022 West suck too?[/QUOTE]
This board has fallen off a ****ing cliff :oldlol:
And for ISH standards that's saying something.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646458]But why did you just move the goalposts, coach? Lmao.[/QUOTE]
I didn't move the goalposts. Like SATAN/RRR3, you too lack reading comprehension.
30/8/6 52% from the field .619% TS >>> 22/5/5 41% from the field .468% TS :applause:
[QUOTE=SATAN;14646465]30/8/6 52% from the field .619% TS >>> 22/5/5 41% from the field .468% TS :applause:[/QUOTE]
Yet somehow, this 37 year old Lebron who is significantly better than 38 year old MJ, couldn't lead his team to as many wins as Jordan led his 2002 Wizards to with a better supporting cast while also starting more games. :applause:
LeBron played 4 less games than Mike and the Lakers won 4 less games than the 2002 Wizards so I'm not sure what point you're really making here. The Lakers were not a good team although they probably would have cracked 40+ games in 2002.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646468]Yet somehow, this 37 year old Lebron who is significantly better than 38 year old MJ, couldn't lead his team to as many wins as Jordan led his 2002 Wizards to with a better supporting cast while also starting more games. :applause:[/QUOTE]
Idk coach but this does sound like you're setting up a higher standard for him than you actually do for your hero.
Not really. Jordan aged pretty well. To play SG which involves being in the perimeter requires alot of energy. He just wasn't as fast, quick or agil but probably even stronger than before. MJ's game was based on both skill and athleticism. Lets also remember he did not play pro basketball for 3 years prior to his return. That's alot and that can make you rusty when trying to play with the level you once had.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14646470]LeBron played 4 less games than Mike and the Lakers won 4 less games than the 2002 Wizards so I'm not sure what point you're really making here. The Lakers were not a good team although they probably would have cracked 40+ games in 2002.[/QUOTE]
The final 7 games Jordan played in he didn't even start and averaged 20 minutes per game, so if you want to act like he was a significant contributor go ahead and hand over your bball card now. :lol
You've already admitted you didn't start really even watching bball until 2011 so for you to even make that assumption is hilarious. Tell me, how much better was the 2022 WCF teams who averaged a whopping 1.4 more wins per game than the 2002 ECF teams? :roll:
[QUOTE=Axe;14646471]Idk coach but this does sound like you're setting up a higher standard for him than you actually do for your hero.[/QUOTE]
Axe buddy, are you really telling me reaching the play-in tournament is a high standard? He didn't even need 37 wins to make it in. Lol.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646476]Axe buddy, are you really telling me reaching the play-in tournament is a high standard?[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily coach. But didn't the bulls have a losing record the years mj went 1-9 in his first three trips to the playoffs prior to scottie pippen's arrival?
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14646343]What's your point? That jordone had younger and fresher legs than all the players mentioned but was still much worse?[/QUOTE]
It’s been a long time since I’ve thought about his Wiz days but I’m pretty sure he was playing through a bunch of injuries in at least one of those years.
Also, medical treatment for athletes is dramatically better now than it was 20 years ago. There are quite a few injuries that were career enders back then that guys can now recover from fairly easily w/modern medicine.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646477]Not necessarily coach. But didn't the bulls have a losing record the years mj went 1-9 in his first three trips to the playoffs prior to scottie pippen's arrival?[/QUOTE]
He sure did. If you want to go off-topic from late career comparisons that's fine. We can discuss Lebron getting swept in 2007 or 2018. Or we can discuss him getting gentlemen swept in 2014 or 2017. Or we can discuss his 2011 debacle. Or we can discuss him losing in the 2009 ECF with HCA and his opponent missing one of their all-stars. Or we can discuss him failing to make the playoffs in 2019 after activating playoff mode. Or we can even stay on topic if you want and continue discussing him failing to make the play-in in 2022. Which would you prefer?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646475]The final 7 games Jordan played in he didn't even start and averaged 20 minutes per game, so if you want to act like he was a significant contributor go ahead and hand over your bball card now. :lol
You've already admitted you didn't start really even watching bball until 2011 so for you to even make that assumption is hilarious. Tell me, how much better was the 2022 WCF teams who averaged a whopping 1.4 more wins per game than the 2002 ECF teams? :roll:[/QUOTE]
I have a dentist appointment. Will do with your moving of the goal posts later. :lol
[QUOTE=theman93;14646480]He sure did. If you want to go off-topic from late career comparisons that's fine. We can discuss Lebron getting swept in 2007 or 2018. Or we can discuss him getting gentlemen swept in 2014 or 2017. Or we can discuss his 2011 debacle. Or we can discuss him losing in the 2009 ECF with HCA and his opponent missing one of their all-stars. Or we can discuss him failing to make the playoffs in 2019 after activating playoff mode. Or we can even stay on topic if you want and continue discussing him failing to make the play-in in 2022. Which would you prefer?[/QUOTE]
But you do realize the topic is about jordan and not lekong himself, right coach? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646250]Wizards jordon was so much worse than 37 year old Lebron that he led the 2002 Wizards to a better record than the 2022 Lakers in less games started and with a much worse supporting cast.
Also, MJ was atleast an all-star at age 39. Duncan and Malone were not.[/QUOTE]
This and hadn't played in 3.5 years either.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646354]If that's accurate, then that only speaks of the joke competition the league had seen three decades ago.[/QUOTE]
Eaton was a joke not most of the league
[QUOTE=theman93;14646447]Name a good teammate Jordan had besides Hamilton.[/QUOTE]
Hamilton played 23 more games than Davis :lol. And Jordan played more games than LeBron as well.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14646486]I have a dentist appointment. Will do with your moving of the goal posts later. :lol[/QUOTE]
I haven't moved any goal posts. This is just your excuse when you're trying to deflect. :lol
MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14646490]Eaton was a joke not most of the league[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, your hero is already ahead of him.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646455]Dang AD was out here averaging 23/10/3/1/2 on 57.8% TS with his mind on drinking beer and playing Xbox when Hamilton was out there giving it his all and only putting up 20/3/3/1/0 on 51.5% TS.
Lmaooooo excuses, excuses, excuses :roll:[/QUOTE]
pretty weak numbers for someone with Davis' talent
[QUOTE=theman93;14646250]Wizards jordon was so much worse than 37 year old Lebron that he led the 2002 Wizards to a better record than the 2022 Lakers in less games started and with a much worse supporting cast.
Also, MJ was atleast an all-star at age 39. Duncan and Malone were not.[/QUOTE]
Ethered him first post
:roll::roll:
MJ would never play to hurt the team with selfish stat padding and no D
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646491]Hamilton played 23 more games than Davis :lol. And Jordan played more games than LeBron as well.[/QUOTE]
And after Hamilton, Lebron's supporting cast was significantly better. Hell, I could make the argument Westbrook was better than or equal to Hamilton that year. Not to mention that Lebron himself is supposed to be significantly better than Jordan. Yet he only won 34 games to MJ's 37? :lol
[QUOTE=Round Mound;14646472]Not really. Jordan aged pretty well. To play SG which involves being in the perimeter requires alot of energy. He just wasn't as fast, quick or agil but probably even stronger than before. MJ's game was based on both skill and athleticism. Lets also remember he did not play pro basketball for 3 years prior to his return. That's alot and that can make you rusty when trying to play with the level you once had.[/QUOTE]
believe he was playing the 3 when he came back. Was still one of the best players in the game. His body was breaking down like most old guys including Lebron
[QUOTE=theman93;14646476]Axe buddy, are you really telling me reaching the play-in tournament is a high standard? He didn't even need 37 wins to make it in. Lol.[/QUOTE]
out scoring Gobert is a high standard for Axe
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 1st)
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 2nd)
[QUOTE=theman93;14646480]He sure did. If you want to go off-topic from late career comparisons that's fine. We can discuss Lebron getting swept in 2007 or 2018. Or we can discuss him getting gentlemen swept in 2014 or 2017. Or we can discuss his 2011 debacle. Or we can discuss him losing in the 2009 ECF with HCA and his opponent missing one of their all-stars. Or we can discuss him failing to make the playoffs in 2019 after activating playoff mode. Or we can even stay on topic if you want and continue discussing him failing to make the play-in in 2022. Which would you prefer?[/QUOTE]
how bout we discuss not 1, not 2... :roll:
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14646500]out scoring Gobert is a high standard for Axe[/QUOTE]
Well, that would make sense if you still consider your hero to have good offensive impact or something like that.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646497][B]And after Hamilton, Lebron's supporting cast was significantly better. [/B]Not to mention that Lebron himself is supposed to be significantly better than Jordan. Yet he only won 34 games to MJ's 37? :lol[/QUOTE]
HOW? Who on that team wasn't dogshit? Malik Monk I guess? He had an equivalent season to what Chris Whitney did. Everyone else was a pretty clear net negative besides maybe Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson who are complete scrubs on offense and just defensive hustle players every team has.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646497]And after Hamilton, Lebron's supporting cast was significantly better. Hell, I could make the argument Westbrook was better than or equal to Hamilton that year. Not to mention that Lebron himself is supposed to be significantly better than Jordan. Yet he only won 34 games to MJ's 37? :lol[/QUOTE]
Not really. He had Prime Westbrook who won league mvp an is the all time leader in triple doubles. It's like having prime Oscar Robertson on your team. He also had peak Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY, Melo.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646504]HOW? Who on that team wasn't dogshit? Malik Monk I guess? He had an equivalent season to what Chris Whitney did. Everyone else was a pretty clear net negative besides maybe Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson who are complete scrubs on offense and just defensive hustle players every team has.[/QUOTE]
And who on MJ's team wasn't dogshit?
I would take Westbrook, Monk and Carmelo over any of the next guys on the 02 Wizards after Hamilton. And Westbrook and Hamilton may as well be equals. PLUS Lebron had AD for half of the season. The rest are toss ups. Let's not act like the 02 Wizards were anything more than a bunch of certified scrubs.
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/PQjQ4g0/lebron.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/DQgr77R/jordan.png[/IMG]
:biggums:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646507]And who on MJ's team wasn't dogshit?
I would take Westbrook, Monk and Carmelo over any of the next guys on the 02 Wizards after Hamilton. And Westbrook and Hamilton may as well be equals. The rest are toss ups. Let's not act like the 02 Wizards weren't anything more than a bunch of certified scrubs.[/QUOTE]
I'd take Hamilton over Westbrick any day.