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Conley/Beasley/Lauri/Vanderbilt/Olynyk started
Sexton/Clarkson/Nickeil/Gay/Kessler off the bench
Conley still their best player by far. Vanderbilt is in the mix for every board. Lauri very skilled. Clarkson was passing. Not sure if that is the coach or just pre season.
[QUOTE] Tony Jones: Relative to expectations, I thought Walker Kessler was the person I was most impressed with. He looks like a rookie who only needs experience in order to make a real impact. The skillset on both ends is already there. [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Had also heard he has played very well in camp[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba"]Twitter Tjonesonthenba[/URL]
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needs to get stronger
3rd string > Butler/Horton Tucker/ Ochai/Simone/Zeller
Horton Tucker looks fat
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50487602/what-did-we-learn-from-the-utah-jazzs-preseason-loss-to-toronto-[/url]
[QUOTE]Sexton not starting was a bit of an eye-brow raiser considering the contract he received from the Jazz. That said, a Conley-Sexton backcourt always projected to struggle defensive, so it makes sense Hardy didn't use it. The two guards never shared the court together on Sunday. Will that always be the case? Time will tell.
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showcasing the vets to trade them
[QUOTE]But that alone may have revealed some of Hardy's philosophy. The Jazz played with a lot of size, using lineups that featured multiple 7-footers and long wings.
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No 6'4 PF?
[QUOTE]There were some minor notables: Alexander-Walker got the time over Jared Butler and Ochai Agbaji, and Kessler was trusted with a fairly large role in his first bit of NBA action.
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a vet. not many options at center with Udoka out
[QUOTE]Saben Lee, Stanley Johnson, Leondro Bolmaro and Johnny Juzang were the only healthy players that didn't appear in Sunday's game. Juzang is on a two-way deal and Bolmaro is guaranteed at least through next season. Lee and Johnson's deals end after this season.
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Johnson always seemed likely
[URL]https://kslsports.com/493718/jazz-show-room-for-growth-in-preseason-opener/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Sexton brings a defensive intensity that the Jazz have lacked on the perimeter over the last several years and his 3-4 shooting from the three-point line was promising in 18 minutes on the floor.[/QUOTE]
was nice to see him at least attempt to play D unlike the guy he replaced
[QUOTE]There was growing concern through the offseason that the Jazz might be too talented to truly tank this season. After all, the Jazz have eight players on the roster with at least four years of NBA experience, each of whom have proven they belong in the league.
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Clarkson will help lose games. Was awful as usual
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/2/23381268/analysis-utah-jazzs-first-preseason-game-offers-mixed-bag-of-good-bad-and-ugly[/url]
[QUOTE]The biggest surprises here are that Sexton came off the bench and that Alexander-Walker was a part of that top-10 group.
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he was a rotation player on bad Pels teams. Hardly surprising he played
[QUOTE]I’m going to be very interested to see what other rotation wrinkles Hardy plays with through the next three preseason games and what this team starts to actually look like when guys settle into their roles.
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be more interesting when the old guys are gone
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/10/3/23384991/way-too-early-observations-from-first-utah-jazz-preseason-game[/url]
[QUOTE]Last season the Jazz logged 13 games with double-digit steals and just a single game of 20+ turnovers from the opponent. The 2022-23 Utah Jazz generated 11 steals and saw 23 turnovers committed by the Raptors.
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Toronto went to their 3rd string to start the 2nd half. Next
[QUOTE]In the first quarter alone Utah generated four steals. Check the video above to see the activity, specifically on the guard line, that made this possible.
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going to have to be without Gobert especially
[QUOTE]For some, this result means nothing. In the case of Juzang, he’s a two-way contract so he’ll see most time with the G-League Stars. Simone Fontecchio was signed immediately to a two year deal and is likely just ramping up into a role for real evaluation. Ochai Agbaji, as a rookie, is ramping up to a role as well and is undoubtedly an exciting piece for the future assuming he develops.
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Ochai will have the Stars. I guess Simone too but I doubt they'd send a seasoned Euro vet down buy maybe briefly while he gets used to things
[QUOTE]Stanley Johnson fits the mold of a bigger wing with athleticism, energy, and toughness. By not seeing the floor, perhaps Utah is comfortable with that skillset in others to this point.
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He's a 4. He would have been at the top of my list of guys that will, be gone by the end of camp. Only so much upside. Was out of the league
[QUOTE]Udoka Azubuike is in a tough spot. After yet another injury kept him out of the preseason game, seeing another rookie center come over in the Gobert trade, and the Jazz picking up two veteran centers in Cody Zeller and Kelly Olynyk, the Jazz 2020 draft pick may be in serious jeopardy of getting cut.
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Unless they think his ankle will always be an issue than I can't see him getting cut. He showed he could play last year
[QUOTE]Furthermore, he played just 15 minutes in the opening 3 quarters of the game. He played far less than Mike Conley and Malik Beasley, despite having a top 3 performance from the team.
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they want to showcase those guys and not play small. Conley didn't look old. Some team could use him for sure.
[QUOTE]It’s curious and requires additional investigation. Perhaps, given a competitive game throughout, the minutes would’ve evened out. It’s something to monitor for the remainder of preseason and to begin the real games.
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It's not. He will be the pg once Conley is dealt. He will be the 6th man if Clarkson is dealt sooner than Mike
[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/10/02/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-pick-turner/4/[/url]
no thanks on Fournier for Lauri
Dane Moore: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Chris Finch says Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert will not play in the Wolves preseason opener on Tuesday[/URL]. Towns is still ramping up from an illness, and Gobert is resting after playing heavy minutes in Eurobasket this September.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Twitter DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
Danny Cunningham: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]#Cavs guard Ricky Rubio continuing his rehab as he returns from a torn left ACL.[/URL] pic.twitter.com/ZqOubO1Ikm
[HR][/HR] [INDENT] [URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cavs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#Cavs[/URL] guard Ricky Rubio continuing his rehab as he returns from a torn left ACL. [URL="https://t.co/ZqOubO1Ikm"]pic.twitter.com/ZqOubO1Ikm[/URL]
— Danny Cunningham (@RealDCunningham) [URL="https://twitter.com/RealDCunningham/status/1576995902400921600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]October 3, 2022[/URL][/INDENT]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/RealDCunningham"]Twitter RealDCunningham[/URL]
[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/did-jazz-owner-ryan-smith-keep-jordan-clarkson-from-being-traded-to-the-lakers/ar-AA12yiM9?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=dd5ca39d21da494cbbef4b7fd51563c1"]Did Jazz owner Ryan Smith keep Jordan Clarkson from being traded to the Lakers? (msn.com)[/URL]
[QUOTE][LEFT]“(The Lakers) had explored ways of landing Nets star Kyrie Irving during the offseason, discussed concepts with the Jazz around Bojan Bogdanovic prior to him being traded to the Pistons for Kelly Olynyk and Saben Lee and even tried to land former Laker Jordan Clarkson from the Jazz before it was made clear that Utah owner Ryan Smith had no intentions of letting him go,” the story says.
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You hired Ainge for a reason. Let him do his ****in' job! :facepalm
Michael Scotto: Coming from a playoff Utah team that was dismantled, were you shocked, and what did you think of Danny Ainge’s recent comments? Royce O’Neale: [URL="https://*********.com/author/michaelascotto/"]I was definitely shocked. I had been there for five years. The team we had for a couple of years fell short. I thought we were going to build on it. Things happened, so keep it moving[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/author/michaelascotto/"]*********[/URL]
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Michael Scotto: When you were traded to the Nets and the Kevin Durant stuff was going on, what was your view of the Nets from the outside, and how is it now being here? Royce O’Neale: [URL="https://*********.com/author/michaelascotto/"]That was the summer. Nobody cares about it now. We’re all here, and we’re going to make it work. We have a lot of work to do to get to where we want to go. That’s what we’re focusing on[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/author/michaelascotto/"]*********[/URL]
Kyrie Irving on Royce O’Neale: [URL="https://*********.com/author/michaelascotto/"]Royce is one of those players that you want on your team because he’s had a lot of experience. He’s been through a lot of battles. He understands the nuances of the game and what it takes to win.[/URL] He didn’t necessarily get over the hump in Utah, but he was a part of a lot of those teams that led the league in offensive efficiency. I think he brings intangibles to our team really well, and we can utilize him on that wing to be the defensive stopper we know that he naturally is and also add some dimensions on offense for us by being a space out shooter. He moves and plays the game well.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/author/michaelascotto/"]*********[/URL]
Sarah Todd: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Speaking with Collin Sexton this morning, he said that he expected to come off the bench on Sunday because he really hasn’t played a lot following his meniscus surgery. He said though that his expectation is to start once he has worked his way back to full speed[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/NBASarah"]Twitter NBASarah[/URL]
Former Clippers player Diamond Stone signed with Filipino team San Miguel Beermen for the 2022-23 season.
– via Alberto De Roa @ *********
Law Murray: The LA Clippers are expected to make transactions at end of roster today. [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Sources tell The Athletic that Juwan Morgan, Lucas Williamson, Michael Devoe will be waived. Two players will be signed: Malik Fitts and Nate Darling[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/LawMurrayTheNU"]Twitter LawMurrayTheNU[/URL]
Ohm Youngmisuk: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Clippers waived Michael Devoe, Juwan Morgan and Lucas Williamson[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM"]Twitter NotoriousOHM[/URL]
Tim Bontemps: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Pistons coach Dwane Casey says getting Bojan Bogdanovic from the Utah Jazz last month was “a godsend” for Detroit, and said he’s already making an impact lending his advice to the team’s young players[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TimBontemps"]Twitter TimBontemps[/URL]
Jon Krawczynski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Wolves say D’Angelo Russell, Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert will not play in tonight’s preseason opener in Miami[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski"]Twitter JonKrawczynski[/URL]
Andrew Greif: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The signings of Nate Darling and Malik Fitts have been announced by the team, with both guys on the court already working this morning at practice[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreif"]Twitter AndrewGreif[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ksl.com/article/50489177/jazz-pick-up-preseason-win-in-portland-but-was-future-of-team-playing-in-las-vegas[/URL]
[QUOTE]And with that the Jazz may have found a formula to win some games this season: Let the veterans run the show offensively, and then play an extremely aggressive defense to try and jump passing lanes and create havoc. Having guys like Jarred Vanderbilt and Stanley Johnson help with the latter.
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Conley will help win some games but Clarkson and Gay should help the other team
[QUOTE]The ceiling of Wembanyama's game is Rudy Gobert with an overall offensive game; or in other terms, a slightly better version of Giannis Antetokounmpo. There's a reason he's considered by some to be the best prospect since LeBron James.
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assuming he's the first guy that size to live up to his potential and stay healthy. I'd take the guard
[QUOTE]And secondly, based on how Hardy has organized his rotation in the two first preseason games, he doesn't seem to favor losing games for the sake of development.
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I'd say that has more to do with them showcasing those guys for a trade. Anyone watching should see that Conley can still ball
[QUOTE]Utah has one rookie lottery pick on its roster in Ochai Agbaji. In the first two preseason games, he has yet to play outside of late fourth quarter garbage time; that's not a sign that Hardy is looking to do anything but try to win games.
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it shows that they have a lot of guys ahead of him besides Clarkson and Conley and that he will start with the Stars.
The guys not playing but maybe too good for the Stars like Lee and Bolmaro are the ones I'd be concerned about
[QUOTE]Conley, Clarkson, Sexton, Markkanen and even Malik Beasley, who exited Tuesday's game with a left ankle sprain, are all able to shoot a team to victories on random nights. And those veteran-heavy teams do give the Jazz their best chance to win games.
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minor sprain?
[url]https://kslsports.com/493799/jazz-reveal-identity-over-blazers-wembanyama-scoot-offer-hope/[/url]
[QUOTE]If any teams in the NBA want to make the playoffs and are a point guard away (looking at you Chicago), they should start putting together trade packages for the Jazz veteran.
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yep!
[QUOTE]Olynyk’s hustle made for some decent plays early in the first quarter but as the game wore on Portland had success getting the Jazz to rotate and then attacking the slow-moving frontcourt.
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he's not a starter on a good team
[QUOTE]When teams start really scouting the Jazz in the regular season that lack of speed and paint integrity will be an obvious weak point.
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Udoka/Kessler/Vanderbilt
[QUOTE]While his unique size might make Wembanyama the defacto number one pick, whichever team ends up with the second pick and Handerson is getting a heck of a consolation prize.
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his size is the reason I'd avoid him. Too big!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/5/23381277/analysis-utah-jazz-portland-trail-blazers[/url]
[QUOTE]Clearly there are some players that are higher in the pecking order, but it’s good to see that Hardy is still experimenting and playing around with things. There were some small lineups deployed as well as some ultra big lineups and there was a bit more rotational movement.
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not sure about the 3 big line up in today's game but it's great to see a coach trying something new...anything! :bowdown:
[QUOTE]While Horton-Tucker showed his strength and athleticism, it felt often like he was trying way to hard to show those things and he came off as ball hog who wasn’t interested in the rest of the team.
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while taking long twos :facepalm
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/10/4/23388680/utah-jazz-beat-the-portland-trail-blazers-in-first-preseason-win-nba[/url]
[QUOTE]We saw some more impressive minutes from Walker Kessler who is looking pretty comfortable already as a backup NBA center. There were a handful of rookie moments for Kessler tonight, but the foundation is there for a nice NBA player who can help this Jazz team for years to come.
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need him to be more than a back up. Olynyk isn't the answer
[QUOTE] Rod Boone: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]#Hornets are signing Xavier Sneed to an Exhibit 10 deal,[/URL] league sources tell @theobserver. Roster is back up to 20.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/rodboone"]Twitter rodboone[/URL]
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should have a better opportunity there
Dane Moore: These are the Wolves players out tonight, per Chris Finch Karl-Anthony Towns Eric Paschall PJ Dozier [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]D’Angelo Russell and Rudy Gobert will play[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Twitter DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
Ben Golliver: 7’1” center [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gobert says “I feel good, I feel small” next to 7’4” French countryman Victor Wembanyama[/URL]
[QUOTE]Dane Moore: Anthony Edwards on growing chemistry with Rudy Gobert: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“We just been working on my lob throws. I’ve never threw lobs before, so I’ve been working on em… It’s very effective. Him rollin, KAT poppin, teams don’t know how to guard us because he creates a great highway to the rim.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Twitter DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
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I'd guess they'll stagger those two together like Conley and Gobert here. KAT and ANT with the other group. They will stomp on people
Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Malik Beasley did not go through Utah Jazz practice again today[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]
Former Jazz player [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Juwan Morgan signed with G League team Ontario Clippers for the 2022-23 season[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]
Following a first-round exit for the third time in four seasons, Jazz executive Danny Ainge saw “a group of players that really didn’t believe in each other” and began to dismantle the core by trading Rudy Gobert, Donovan Mitchell, and Bogdanovic, who disagreed with Ainge’s view. [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-pistons-bojan-bogdanovic-free-agency/"]“I think we were unlucky that last year Donovan got hurt before the playoffs,” Bogdanovic told *********. “The year before, Mike (Conley) missed time in the playoffs.[/URL] My first year I was there, I missed the playoffs because of my wrist. Basically, we had a lot of guys missing in the playoffs. That was the key reason why we didn’t have a run deep in the playoffs.”
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-pistons-bojan-bogdanovic-free-agency/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]
[URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-pistons-bojan-bogdanovic-free-agency/"]The Suns discussed sending Jae Crowder and Dario Saric, along with draft compensation to Utah for Bogdanovic, league sources told *********[/URL]. The Lakers had numerous conversations with Utah that included Russell Westbrook and both of Los Angeles’ unprotected first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 that all involved Bogdanovic. There were various structures that ultimately fizzled. One scenario had the Jazz sending a future unprotected first-round pick back to the Lakers. Other variations of trade talks included different players that could’ve been included with Bogdanovic. One trade discussion involved Jordan Clarkson, another involved Mike Conley, and another one included Malik Beasley and Rudy Gay, leagues ources told *********.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-pistons-bojan-bogdanovic-free-agency/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]
********* asked Casey about his expectations for Bogdanovic this season and potentially in the future. [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-pistons-bojan-bogdanovic-free-agency/"]“I’d love to have him back,” Casey replied. “He’s a free agent. Hopefully, he has a good experience with us and finds a good home with us. Everybody needs a guy like that who knows how to play and can shoot the ball.[/URL] Hopefully, we can entice him to stay. If he doesn’t, he helps us, and we help him. He’s a pro. He’ll have a big role for us this year.” When ********* asked Bogdanovic for his reaction to Casey’s hopeful optimism, the veteran forward replied, “I’m here only for a couple of days, but if they’re open for that, we’ll see what’s going to happen.”
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-pistons-bojan-bogdanovic-free-agency/"]Michael Scotto @ HoopsHyp[/URL]
[URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268893/Hornets-Waive-Isaiah-Whaley;-Sign-Xavier-Sneed"]The Charlotte Hornets waived big man Isaiah Whaley. The Hornets have also signed wing Xavier Sneed[/URL]. Whaley appeared in one preseason game for Charlotte. He grabbed one rebound in four minutes of play. Whaley is expected to join the Greensboro Swarm of the G League this season.
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268893/Hornets-Waive-Isaiah-Whaley;-Sign-Xavier-Sneed"]RealGM[/URL]
[QUOTE]Dane Moore: Rudy Gobert says it’s “the plan” to play with Victor Wembanyana in the 2024 Olympics in Paris. Gobert: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“Paris would be perfect. It’s gonna be right after his first NBA season. And we’re gonna try and win a gold medal.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Twitter DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
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Embiid might take your spot Rudy!
[QUOTE]“It’s going to take us a while to get used to everyone and learn everyone,” Clarkson said. [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/7/23393444/utah-jazz-chemistry"]“We’re still just getting the basics down. We’re not even at the point of knowing guys’ spots and individual games.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/7/23393444/utah-jazz-chemistry"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
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what are you going to pass if you know their spots and games? :roll:
[QUOTE]Rudy Gobert: [URL="https://*********.com/social/tweets/"]Insecurity is always loud[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/rudygobert27"]Twitter rudygobert27[/URL]
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concerning Draymond. He's right on about that guy! :cheers:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMunGrtkKok[/url]
TODAY'S SCRIMMAGE OR SOME OF IT?
Kyle Goon: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Lakers have waived Dwayne Bacon and Javante McCoy, and they’ve signed Shaquille Harrison and LJ Figueroa as training camp bodies[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/kylegoon"]Twitter kylegoon[/URL]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/8/23381266/utah-jazz-practices-more-competitive-under-coach-will-hardy[/url]
JUST GLAD TO HAVE A NEW COACH. sHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER THE BUBBLE
Not bad to start from scratch, that core wasnt going to go further.
You will have very good team in 3 years.
[QUOTE=Lee;14668596]Not bad to start from scratch, that core wasnt going to go further.[/QUOTE]
we don't know how far they were going to go. New coach could have done wonders. Dumping Mitchell and Clarkson for vets that played D, hit shots and passed the ball would have too. Imagine if they thought that in 1993 when two of the greatest players ever went from 1st to 3rd and remained there for two seasons. Would have never had the finals runs
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who knows. First you have to find a guy to build around and actually build around him unlike what they did when Gobert emerged and they continued to try and tank and never really built around him. Same with Millsap before him. You'd like to think Ainge can work his magic again but than we have reports that the owner won't trade Clarkson! Let Ainge do his job and sign the checks!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/8/23393446/4-observations-from-the-utah-jazz-open-scrimmage[/url]
[QUOTE]This is the version of Butler that was expected when he was drafted out of Baylor. If Butler is still on the team when the season begins, this is the version of him that the Jazz hope to see more of.
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might see it with the Stars while Conley and Clarkson try winning/losing you games
[QUOTE]But he’s been working a lot more this offseason on being a facilitator and creating for his teammates, and I think there is some clear evidence that he’s becoming a better passer.
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That would be great next to Sexton. The rookie is supposed to have that too hopefully
[QUOTE]Head coach Will Hardy has made it known that he wants the ball to move a lot and is asking for more passing from all of the guards, and it’s exciting to see that’s already being taken to heart, even before the start of the regular season.
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and than there is Clarkson :cry:
[QUOTE]On one hand, if you’ve got Clarkson, Talen Horton-Tucker and Collin Sexton all taking shots whenever they want and a bunch of young guys playing for their contracts, that could lead to some pretty bad basketball, which is kind of what you want from the Jazz right now (the race to get Victor Wembanyama is on).[/QUOTE]
Talen might be the new Clarkson. Taking bad shots and bricking them. At least Sexton is actually good
[QUOTE]On the other hand, if you’re trying to develop some other players to be facilitators and play within an offensive system and move the ball but it stops every time Sexton or Horton-Tucker touch it, that could be a problem.
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rather it be Sexton than Clarkson or Tucker
[QUOTE]Saben Lee had some highlight-worthy dunks that were extremely fun for the fans. Although it’s hard to imagine that Lee will be on the roster once opening day is upon us, it was good to see that he’s an athletic guy who actually has some tricks in the bag.
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it's not hard to imagine anyone on or off this roster. They could trade 4 guys for one contract another team wants to get rid of and get to 15 guaranteed contracts. We just have no idea right now. OKC has made two trades since camp began. Someone certainly needs Conley right now. All I know is Lee destroyed the Gleague in 7 games last year. Bolmaro put up big numbers there too. They've got something. More than the bum Clarkson for sure