[QUOTE=TheMan;14664697]Stop derailing my thread![/QUOTE]
So you don’t deny that you’re a senior citizen chasing after 20 somethings you’re related to?
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[QUOTE=TheMan;14664697]Stop derailing my thread![/QUOTE]
So you don’t deny that you’re a senior citizen chasing after 20 somethings you’re related to?
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664697]Stop derailing my thread![/QUOTE]
Stop railing your cousin. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=SATAN;14664728]Stop railing your cousin. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:yaohappy:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664668]A real fans knows every Finals from the top of their head. I can give you every Finals matchup from about 1969 to present off the top of my head. Idk how you got 2013 mixed up given it wasn't even a decade ago.[/QUOTE]
You gotta consider the source.
Same dude who thinks being voted an All-star is a better accolade than being named All-NBA
These dudes talking about anything but about MJ being the GOAT...because it's a given, there's nothing to refute.
My job is done here :pimp:
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664741]These dudes talking about anything but about MJ being the GOAT...because it's a given, there's nothing to refute.
My job is done here :pimp:[/QUOTE]
MJ being the GOAT doesn’t change the fact that you love incest.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14664743]MJ being the GOAT doesn’t change the fact that you love incest.[/QUOTE]
Good sir, I implore you to stick with the subject of this thread. :cheers:
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14664599]Stats, eh? :oldlol:
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In the end:
LeBron's career averages: 27.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg & 7.4 apg
>
jordon's career averages: 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg & 5.3 apg
LeBron's career averages are better even without context. If we include context (the fact that LeBron sustained these averages in 300 more career games played, and the fact that LeBron's averages are dragged down by him entering the league at age 18), then jordon gets destroyed even more.
Now if we're talking about career averages and career totals... :roll:[/QUOTE]
Thread backfire. As usual.
We need to let jordan stans win a little sometime.
Or not.
18 all-nba teams.
All time scoring record.
Top 5 assists.
10 finals appearances as best player.
That's all I need to argue against any Jordan stan and he will lose.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14664686]Isn’t she like 22? How does she feel about a guy in his 60s obsessing over her to the point of using her as his avatar on a basketball board?[/QUOTE]
Jordan stans taking Ls in their own threads.
Yikes.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14664756]18 all-nba teams.
All time scoring record.
Top 5 assists.
10 finals appearances as best player.
That's all I need to argue against any Jordan stan and he will lose.[/QUOTE]
MJ, more MVPs, FMVPs, DPOYs, scoring titles than James, in less seasons.
GOAT
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664763]MJ, more MVPs, FMVPs, DPOYs, scoring titles than James, in less seasons.
GOAT[/QUOTE]
Kareem has 6 MVPs, 6 championships, yet all anyone can talk about regarding kareem is his all time scoring record.
LeBron about to get that [B]most coveted diamond[/B] ever in the NBA.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14664769]Kareem has 6 MVPs, 6 championships, yet all anyone can talk about regarding kareem is his all time scoring record.
LeBron about to get that [B]most coveted diamond[/B] ever in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
6 MVPs is impressive...
6 rings too
But he wasn't even the best player on his team in a few of his rings.
Hence, he was never seen as consensus GOAT, obviously he has an argument but there are others more deserving.
MJ and Lebron are both above Kobe.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14664887]MJ and Lebron are both above Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Before joining Kobe and Lebron, Pau was a 1x all-star and Bosh was 6x all-star (1x all-nba)
So Lebron's inferior brand of ball-dominance needed a Pau-level player at 3rd option, while an expert jumpshooter like Kobe won with Pau at 2nd option - Kobe's superior brand of scoring and basketball simply needs less help - a lot less
Ultimately, Lebron can't carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant) and therefore need all-time scoring help, while Kobe's expert jumpshooting maintained brand regardless of volume, so he could carry the scoring load against top team and win with secondary producers like Bosh, I mean Pau
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664656]What a stupid post, you're basically the only dumbass who makes these desperate arguments. Ball and chained to a player? That player must be a GOAT level, huh? Oh wait, you can't hardly find a poll where Pippen is top 30 :lol. BTW, Magic never won a ring without KAJ, yet no one ever uses that against him because it's a retarded argument, you're grasping at straws, pal. :oldlol:
Facts, MJ played with less All Stars and won more chips. LeBron has continuesly tried to stack the deck but has still less to show for it. You don't want to compare teammates, friend, I assure :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Not only has LeCoward played with more all stars..
He always resets and gets them in their prime.
And STILL underachieves
A true loser and coward
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664684]She's like third cousin so it's OK, I assure you. :lol[/QUOTE]
wtf, lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664917]wtf, lol[/QUOTE]
He must love House of the Dragon
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664601]Wow, surely he must have more championships, MVPs, scoring titles, DPOYs, FMVPs ...oh wait :lol
Empty stays, bro, due to longevity, it's nice and all but MJ did more in less time. Simply put, LeBron has played waaay more playoffs games than anyone of those players in that chart.[/QUOTE]
There's only one player in the top 10 with a losing Finals record.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14665354]There's only one player in the top 10 with a losing Finals record.[/QUOTE]
That speaks volumes, and these Bran Stans want to give that Finals loser the title of greatest ever...
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mj is the low IQ mans GOAT
just look at this grocery bagging competition.
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[QUOTE=TheMan;14665400]That speaks volumes, and these Bran Stans want to give that [B]Finals loser[/B] the title of greatest ever...
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lebron is a finals overachiever. overachieved by exactly 33%.
[QUOTE=red1;14665403]mj is the low IQ mans GOAT
just look at this grocery bagging competition.
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, buddy? LeBron is the perfect GOAT for today's soft entitled, take the easy road, participation award generation. You don't get extra brownie points for coming in second, which he has done more times than actually win.
6 in 15 >>> 4 in 19
[QUOTE=TheMan;14665414]Oh yeah, buddy? LeBron is the perfect GOAT for today's soft entitled, take the easy road, participation award generation. You don't get extra brownie points for coming in second, which he has done more times than actually win.
6 in 15 >>> 4 in 19[/QUOTE]
MJ came in worse than second more times than he actually won :confusedshrug:
Bill Russell is your GOAT I assume.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14665414]Oh yeah, buddy? LeBron is the perfect GOAT for today's soft entitled, take the easy road, participation award generation. You don't get extra brownie points for coming in second, which he has done more times than actually win.
6 in 15 >>> 4 in 19[/QUOTE]
got the two infinity stone rings. scalped two dynasties and is the only player to win a finals MVP over the spurs and over the healthy warriors in the finals.
"buh buh kyrie buh buh ray allen"
best player in 8 NBA finals. (2012-2018, 2020)
high IQ man's GOAT.
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[QUOTE=red1;14665422]got the two infinity stone rings. scalped two dynasties and is the only player to win a finals MVP over the spurs and over the healthy warriors in the finals.
"buh buh kyrie buh buh ray allen"
best player in 8 NBA finals. (2012-2018, 2020)
high IQ man's GOAT.
[IMG]https://files.wallpaperpass.com/2019/10/lebron%20james%20wallpaper%20130%20-%201080x1920-768x1365.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
MJ, never outscored in ANY playoffs series, except 1, in his rookie year against Terry Cummings, by one point. MJ never lost with HCA, only top 10 player who can claim that, MJ was never outplayed in any Finals, unlike LeBron who had the worst performance for a GOAT tier player in 2011, getting outscored by scrub Jason Terry. MJ, only GOAT tier player to be perfect in the Finals, never needing a GM 7 and always being the best player, 6 FMVPs...2 threepeats, LeBron hasn't sniffed even one yet.
MJ is the consensus GOAT, the people's champion.
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[QUOTE=TheMan;14665440]MJ, never outscored in ANY playoffs series, except 1, in his rookie year against Terry Cummings, by one point. MJ never lost with HCA, only top 10 player who can claim that, MJ was never outplayed in any Finals, unlike LeBron who had the worst performance for a GOAT tier player in 2011, getting outscored by scrub Jason Terry. MJ, only GOAT tier player to be perfect in the Finals, never needing a GM 7 and always being the best player, 6 FMVPs...2 threepeats, LeBron hasn't sniffed even one yet.
MJ is the consensus GOAT, the people's champion.
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baldan is aight. he can hoop too.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14665418]MJ came in worse than second more times than he actually won :confusedshrug:
Bill Russell is your GOAT I assume.[/QUOTE]
No, rings isn't my only criteria, it's a combination. Russell isn't even the GOAT big man.
[QUOTE=red1;14665403]mj is the low IQ mans GOAT
just look at this grocery bagging competition.
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Damn... :roll:
Thread: Destroyed.
[QUOTE=red1;14665403]mj is the low IQ mans GOAT
just look at this grocery bagging competition.
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Why werent the 90's bigs included? They were Jordan's competition for the MVP's. Is it because of an agenda?
[QUOTE=Baller789;14665594]Why werent the 90's bigs included? They were Jordan's competition for the MVP's. Is it because of an agenda?[/QUOTE]
Yes
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14665585]Damn... :roll:
Thread: Destroyed.[/QUOTE]
Uh, nope...only in your feeble trolling mind :cheers:
[QUOTE=TheMan;14665646]Yes[/QUOTE]
doesnt matter how many finals losses he has he has the best ring of all time - broke a 52-year sports drought for his hometown who drafted him. that's epic.
lebron was the best player in 8 finals - he only choked one finals and that was only because he was deferring in a new role. he won the next two finals MVPs.
everyone still had him the best in the world after 2017 and 2018 despite the finals losses. because they could see the context of how he was playing the most stacked team of all-time and still balling out all regular season playoffs and finals.
8 finals in a row playing at an elite level every single series from 2012-2018 - that's superhuman durability and stamina. he easily could have won 8 rings. (wade hobbled 2014, kyrie and love went down 2015, warriors most stacked team of all-time 2017 and 2018, lebron the best player in the world every single postseason 8 years in a row).
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[QUOTE=TheMan;14664763]MJ, more MVPs, FMVPs, DPOYs, scoring titles than James, in less seasons *.
GOAT[/QUOTE]
*during the weakest NBA decade
[QUOTE=Chick Stern;14665657]*during the weakest NBA decade[/QUOTE]
An era that included Shaq, DRobinson, TDuncan, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton and MJ...yeah I'll put those up against any era, bro. You Bronies have an agenda to discredit MJ because straight up comparing MJ to LeBron, MJ has better per game stats, regular season and playoffs, y'all go by longevity stats and discrediting his competition because frankly that's all you have. He accomplished more than Bran in less time, fact.
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lebron was the best player in 8 finals -[B][SIZE=5] he only choked one finals [/SIZE][/B]and that was only because he was deferring in a new role.
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:roll:
How many finals did Jordan choke??
:lebronamazed:
[QUOTE=red1;14665656]doesnt matter how many finals losses he has he has the best ring of all time - broke a 52-year sports drought for his hometown who drafted him. that's epic.
lebron was the best player in 8 finals - he only choked one finals and that was only because he was deferring in a new role. he won the next two finals MVPs.
everyone still had him the best in the world after 2017 and 2018 despite the finals losses. because they could see the context of how he was playing the most stacked team of all-time and still balling out all regular season playoffs and finals.
8 finals in a row playing at an elite level every single series from 2012-2018 - that's superhuman durability and stamina. he easily could have won 8 rings. (wade hobbled 2014, kyrie and love went down 2015, warriors most stacked team of all-time 2017 and 2018, lebron the best player in the world every single postseason 8 years in a row).
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda...MJ might've have had more rings had his father not been murdered and he stepped away...or ring chase like Bran would've done and went to LA with Shaq and Kobe when PJax recruited him to go. Others legends did that, like KAJ, imagine MJ with 8, 9 or 10 rings. That's legitimately what he left on the table that was there for the taking.
MJ was too alpha for that though...Bran will ring chase, take my word, that's gonna happen soon. That's the difference between MJ and Bran.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14665667]Shoulda, coulda, woulda...MJ might've have had more rings had his father not been murdered and he stepped away...or ring chase like Bran would've done and went to LA with Shaq and Kobe when PJax recruited him to go. Others legends did that, like KAJ, imagine MJ with 8, 9 or 10 rings. That's legitimately what he left on the table that was there for the taking.
MJ was too alpha for that though...Bran will ring chase, take my word, that's gonna happen soon. That's the difference between MJ and Bran.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Jordan could have joined the Lakers when the Bulls fell apart and threepeated with Shaq and Kobe.
Anyways no need for what-if hypotheticals. MJ won 6 rings and Lebron won 4 rings.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14665667]Shoulda, coulda, woulda...MJ might've have had more rings had his father not been murdered and he stepped away...or ring chase like Bran would've done and went to LA with Shaq and Kobe when PJax recruited him to go. Others legends did that, like KAJ, imagine MJ with 8, 9 or 10 rings. That's legitimately what he left on the table that was there for the taking.
MJ was too alpha for that though...Bran will ring chase, take my word, that's gonna happen soon. That's the difference between MJ and Bran.[/QUOTE]
jordan played on stacked teams against weak competition. you dont need to ring chase when your team is so stacked that it wins 55-games and goes game 7 eastern conference semis without you.
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html[/url]
despite all of the knocks of superteams, you'll never find a single lebron team that would win 50 games without him. and that includes every team he's EVER been on.
lebron's career and legacy speaks for itself. you dont need hypotheticals when you have facts like the only finals MVP over a 73-win in NBA history and 8 years in a row of being the best regular season playoff and finals player COMBINED in a row, on the resume.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14665666]:roll:
How many finals did Jordan choke??
:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]
lebron was the best player in 8 finals.
2011 is a proven anomaly easily explained by the new role of sharing the ball.
he won the next two finals MVPs in a row and was the best player in the next 8 NBA finals. :lebronamazed: