The US blew up Russia's pipeline.

[QUOTE=Rolando;14665538] As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.[/QUOTE]

Here is Russia's motive. You said it yourself.

Biden said he would do it, that is Putin calling him out on it.

It's like if Putin said he will nuke Kyiv and then Ukraine nukes Kyiv themselves knowing it would be the end of Russia and they'd win the war.

It's a desperation move to get EU to turn on USA.

Which brings me to my own theory, Biden already said he'd do it so he had no reason to deny it. He's supplying billions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine and doesn't deny that so why would he deny this? If the US did do it they would have coordinationated it with most of Europe especially Germany.

Now, just like the guy in that video, I will say that they're is no evidence either way so it's all just theory. That's all anyone can do here is theorize.

His theories don't suggest the US couldn't have done it, they just suggest that the way it was carried out leans toward Russia.

Bruh, how are there people here actually arguing it wasn't the U.S.?

Common sense tells you they did it.

[QUOTE=jstern;14667210]I saw the video earlier, and it was disgusting seeing all those people in the comment section eating it up. His whole argument is based on his theory, being presented as full proof. And at the core of it it's based on the fake CNN, MSNBC narrative that Putin is Hitler, that one day he just decided that he wanted to take over ALL of Ukraine, unexpectedly, shocking the whole world, AND that he's loosing and getting embarrassed in this conflict.

So basically, Putin is a suicidal maniac, so doesn't care about Russia, therefor he clearly is the one who blew up his own pipeline. Because "the allies are closing in." That's a very simplistic narrative that the Blade's and Off the Court of the world can easily gobble up.

And when you have such media coordination based on narrative, there's not much that can be done about it. The best thing to do is to make sure you don't get caught up in it.

And even the design of the video, reminds me of this Corona Doctor that just spread Pfizer propaganda. Has an expensive camera, great presentation, and a high status job. He puts a spoiler on the thumbnail, "Russia did it," and then tells you before he starts his explanation that spoiler, Russia did it. Most creators want to create suspense in a sense, to have people watch as long as possible. But the point of the video doesn't seem to be about getting engagement, but rather, "Russia did it."[/QUOTE]

You nailed it. The media really pushed the idea that Russia's actions just came out of nowhere. Therefore, better not look into any recent history, especially the US backed coup in 2014.....Let's not bring that up.

Let's not mention the how the Ukrainian government is partly composed of an openly Nazi party.

Let's not mention the Minsk Agreement.

Let's not mention that Ukraine could have just remained neutral and avoided the whole war.

Let's pay no attention to what the Russian government actually gave as reasons and goals for the military action.
1. Ukraine cannot be allowed to join NATO. Russia and Putin had stated this for years and years.
2. The Russians are fighting Nazis within Ukraine. The want to destroy the Nazi Party.
3. The Russians want to support the ethnic Russian and Russian speaking people in Ukraine who have been attacked and subjugated for the last 8 years.

No, no. Don't consider any of this. The clear explanation is that Putin is a madman, worse than Hitler. First he wants all of Ukraine and then Europe!

People just ate this up without so much as a question.

Neither myself nor the video are claiming that the US could not have done this. That's too black and white and no one should be that definitive in this. If you've already made up your mind and you can't be talked off your hill then that is the wrong place to be here. I for one have no issues saying the US did this if that were the case and if we pulled the trigger here I'm fine with it. Biden already threatened it and in my opinion supplying Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is far worse when you are looking at things from Putin's angle.

There are things surrounding the issue that are questionable if this were the US. And as I look today another issue points to Russia. Apparently gas can still be transferred from Russia to Europe from the part of the pipeline that was not damaged. Meaning Russia can still send gas and also gain the advantage of the US looking like the bad guys to Europe.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14667216]Here is Russia's motive. You said it yourself.

Biden said he would do it, that is Putin calling him out on it.

It's like if Putin said he will nuke Kyiv and then Ukraine nukes Kyiv themselves knowing it would be the end of Russia and they'd win the war.

It's a desperation move to get EU to turn on USA.

Which brings me to my own theory, Biden already said he'd do it so he had no reason to deny it. He's supplying billions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine and doesn't deny that so why would he deny this? If the US did do it they would have coordinationated it with most of Europe especially Germany.

Now, just like the guy in that video, I will say that they're is no evidence either way so it's all just theory. That's all anyone can do here is theorize.

His theories don't suggest the US couldn't have done it, they just suggest that the way it was carried out leans toward Russia.[/QUOTE]

Even if Swedish intelligence found evidence of US involvement, like an unblown charge, which they probably won't, but even if they did it can't be public and official that the US did it.

It would mean that
1) the US blew up what is part of European energy infrastructure, which would technically be a hostile act on an ally.
2) the US blew up a pipeline owned and handled by Russia, also an active hostile act towards another country and it would be crossing a line that Biden has previously said he wouldn't do.

Instead the official narrative that we have is about whodunnit "sabotage" and it being "a tremendous opportunity" for the US, but that it's probably caused by Russia.

Rolando has already explained everything wrong with the assumptions towards the theory the guy in your video applies, but it should also be noted that the guy is not a civilian, he's part of Danish defence - a strong ally to the US - and he regularly appears on Danish television in uniform as a military expert.

Here he is on AP:

[video=youtube_share;W4ban8A-yOk]https://youtu.be/W4ban8A-yOk[/video]

I don't care about media narratives. I also don't care if the US did it or not. Again, to me Biden supplying the Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is more "hostile" from the Russian perspective. If it is shown that the US did then I am accepting of that.

I do not agree that it couldn't be public knowledge when we have already seen Biden threaten the attack. And I also find it hard to believe that the US would conduct this attack without consulting various EU leaders and making sure that all are on the same page. Instead you have all out denials and pretty much everyone from the west wanting to conduct investigations of the attack. If the US did do this then they would know that Russia and Putin know it and there would be no reason to conduct a fake investigation.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14667382]I don't care about media narratives. I also don't care if the US did it or not. Again, to me Biden supplying the Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is more "hostile" from the Russian perspective. If it is shown that the US did then I am accepting of that. [/QUOTE]

It's not about media narrative, but about what's official between countries.
Blowing up the energy infrastructure of another country is an act of war. E.g if Russia blew up part of the strategic oil reserves of the US, that would be an act of war as well, wouldn't you agree?

I do agree with you that running a proxy war by sending weapons is very hostile as well(which is why I never supported it), but the US and the rest of the Western leaders made the determination that that's OK, but the line they can't cross is to be an active participant.

[QUOTE]I do not agree that it couldn't be public knowledge when we have already seen Biden threaten the attack. And I also find it hard to believe that the US would conduct this attack without consulting various EU leaders and making sure that all are on the same page.[/QUOTE]

Again, it's an active act of war to blow up energy infrastructure like this and it something the Western leaders themselves said was a line they would not cross.

The US government does things, including covert operations, that benefits itself on the behalf of others, including allies. That precedence has already been set over many many years.
E.g do you remember when all the Western countries were supposed to negotiate and come to terms on a new climate agreement, "for the betterment of the entire world"? Well it turned out Obama ordered an operation to spy on the rest of the Western leaders and tapping their communications so the deal could be worked out favorably for the US government. We'd never have know about this though if it wasn't for Wikileaks, which has since been associated with Russa and shut down.

[QUOTE]Instead you have all out denials and pretty much everyone from the west wanting to conduct investigations of the attack. If the US did do this then they would know that Russia and Putin know it and there would be no reason to conduct a fake investigation.[/QUOTE]

Everyone in the west wanting to conduct investigations on the attack? The US has said it supports an investigation "into the sabotage", they've not sent any equipment nor is it being treated as an act of war from it's end.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/nordstream-pipelines-gas-leak-apparent-sabotage-us-involvement-2022-9"]https://www.businessinsider.com/nordstream-pipelines-gas-leak-apparent-sabotage-us-involvement-2022-9[/URL]

[QUOTE]
Nord Stream 2 AG, Switzerland-based operator of that gas pipeline, said on Tuesday it will examine the condition of the leaking pipelines once a police investigation of the "crime scene" is completed and a cordon is lifted.
[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-2-says-it-plans-examine-pipelines-after-police-probe-2022-10-04/"]https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-2-says-it-plans-examine-pipelines-after-police-probe-2022-10-04/[/URL]

Swedish police finished their investigation today, concluding that there was "gross sabotage", so now the actual operator can apply for permits to inspect damages themselves.

[QUOTE]A crime scene investigation of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines from Russia to Europe has strengthened suspicions of “gross sabotage” involving detonations, Sweden’s Security Service said on Thursday.

Swedish and Danish authorities have been investigating four leaks from the pipelines in Swedish and Danish exclusive economic zones in the Baltic Sea since they were first spotted at the beginning of last week.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-investigation-of-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak-site-finds-evidence-of/"]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-investigation-of-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak-site-finds-evidence-of/[/URL]

I heard that it could be Poland or one of the Baltic states that did it since they were the ones who opposed Nord stream 2. They knew the leverage Russia would get and they are terrified of Russia, rightfully so.

[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream;14667447]I heard that it could be Poland or one of the Baltic states that did it since they were the ones who opposed Nord stream 2. They knew the leverage Russia would get and they are terrified of Russia, rightfully so.[/QUOTE]
It's a bad look for Biden because when Biden threatened to blow up Nord stream months ago what he actually did was open the door for someone else to do it in his name. And now he is scrambling trying to prove it wasn't him.

Although I do not think many in the public will understand the reality of that.

I see what's wrong with Off the Court. He honestly thinks that these politicians are actual nice people who are trying their hardest to do what's best for all. When Biden said that there will be no more Nord Stream Pipeline, that he promises he will put an end to it. He couldn't possibly mean it because he's such a sweet man, really looking out for the well being of all living things. And he's certainly not senile, so it couldn't have been a slip of actual plans.

Those in power in the US wouldn't screw Europe like that, because they're allies, friends, all involved are really trying to makes this a better world. For you and for me.

[video=youtube_share;BWf-eARnf6U]https://youtu.be/BWf-eARnf6U[/video]

The European Market belongs to the US. All the money and profits made through trade with this very wealthy economic zone are dominated by America.

The US will not simply let Russia start doing business with the EU. Especially the very profitable energy business. American interests lose profits and Russia becomes stronger and stronger. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. Angela Merkel was a great leader for Germany. She realized that Germany needed that Russian gas and, against the wishes of the US, initiated discussions with the Russians and this allowed the Pipelines to be constructed. The US was against it the whole way. The current leader of Germany is a spineless wimp who cannot stand up to the Americans. He was quick to sanction the Russians and stop the flow of gas. However, the German people were beginning protest in greater and greater numbers. Schultz was about to cave and so the Americans chose to blow up the pipeline. That's what it looks like anyway.

Instead of thinking Russia wants to "take over" Europe, you have to rework that a bit and you will get to the Truth: Russia wants to do Business with Europe. That's what this conflict is about.

"Russia becomes stronger and stronger" :lol

Russia is a 3rd world country with inherited nukes and nothing else.

Second, nobody is saying a shithole like Russia wants to take over Europe. They can't even take over Ukraine without falling on their own ass. Russia wants Ukraine and wants to destabilize European democracies to get someone friendly to Russia in office to benefit Russia.

[QUOTE=Rolando;14668286]The European Market belongs to the US. All the money and profits made through trade with this very wealthy economic zone are dominated by America.

The US will not simply let Russia start doing business with the EU. Especially the very profitable energy business. American interests lose profits and Russia becomes stronger and stronger. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. Angela Merkel was a great leader for Germany. She realized that Germany needed that Russian gas and, against the wishes of the US, initiated discussions with the Russians and this allowed the Pipelines to be constructed. The US was against it the whole way. The current leader of Germany is a spineless wimp who cannot stand up to the Americans. He was quick to sanction the Russians and stop the flow of gas. However, the German people were beginning protest in greater and greater numbers. Schultz was about to cave and so the Americans chose to blow up the pipeline. That's what it looks like anyway.

Instead of thinking Russia wants to "take over" Europe, you have to rework that a bit and you will get to the Truth: Russia wants to do Business with Europe. That's what this conflict is about.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

The Saudis cutting oil production and driving up gas prices with just 4 weeks until the midterm elections (at Trump's request), makes those stolen nuclear secrets all the more interesting don't ya think.

[QUOTE=SATAN;14668491]:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I encourage you to comment on anything I wrote. Let'er rip.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there's a very screwed up and unstable winter coming for Europe. I wonder if the US will start confronting Russia more and more directly. I wonder if the US has done serious damage to its reputation by blowing up the pipeline. Will the US continue sending money and special forces to Ukraine? Will the American public be happy to see more billions of dollars of tax payer money being spent on some other country?

[QUOTE=Rolando;14668655]I encourage you to comment on anything I wrote. Let'er rip.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there's a very screwed up and unstable winter coming for Europe. I wonder if the US will start confronting Russia more and more directly. I wonder if the US has done serious damage to its reputation by blowing up the pipeline. Will the US continue sending money and special forces to Ukraine? Will the American public be happy to see more billions of dollars of tax payer money being spent on some other country?[/QUOTE]

Your mind is already made up that it was the US that blew up the pipeline almost like a foregone conclusion. I don't see the point of this thread because you are obviously extremely pro-russia. Anyone saying anything against Russia will blow past you.

Again, I like Blade, but he feels almost like a bot. I don't know if it's mental illness.

8 months after Trump was cleared by Mueller of the Russia, Russia, Russia collusion hoax, Bladef was still going strong with the narrative, because he had no idea that Trump was cleared 8 months earlier. That was incredible to watch.

He writes essays about subjects as if he knows what he's talking about, even though he lacks the curiosity to even read about the subjects. Literally only reads CNN headlines, and doesn't go any further. That's why I feel there's something wrong with him up there.

Like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case, he was writing essay after essay about a case that was all over the news, with every detail beaten to death by the public as a whole, and then [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483529-Kyle-Rittenhouse&p=14478768&viewfull=1#post14478768][B]it comes out that he hadn't watch a single frame related to the trial[/B][/url].

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14668619]The Saudis cutting oil production and driving up gas prices with just 4 weeks until the midterm elections (at Trump's request), makes those stolen nuclear secrets all the more interesting don't ya think.[/QUOTE]

You forgot the emoji..

[URL="https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240"]https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240[/URL]

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14668726]You forgot the emoji..

[URL="https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240"]https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240[/URL][/QUOTE]

Interesting. I wonder where JoJoFromJerz copied and pasted it from. And if she forgot any emojis.

no proofs

[QUOTE=jstern;14668231]I see what's wrong with Off the Court. [B]He honestly thinks that these politicians are actual nice people who are trying their hardest to do what's best for all.[/B] When Biden said that there will be no more Nord Stream Pipeline, that he promises he will put an end to it. He couldn't possibly mean it because he's such a sweet man, really looking out for the well being of all living things. And he's certainly not senile, so it couldn't have been a slip of actual plans.

Those in power in the US wouldn't screw Europe like that, because they're allies, friends, all involved are really trying to makes this a better world. For you and for me.

][/QUOTE] u thought that when nazi Trump was in power lmfao

[QUOTE=Jasper;14669383]u thought that when nazi Trump was in power lmfao[/QUOTE]

Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14669388]Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.[/QUOTE]

My my, aren't we angry today :lol

[QUOTE=TheMan;14669411]My my, aren't we angry today :lol[/QUOTE]

It's just Alpha Male talk. Conan talk.

[video=youtube;FKRB7bzgAsU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRB7bzgAsU[/video]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14669414]It's just Alpha Male talk. Conan talk.

[video=youtube;FKRB7bzgAsU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRB7bzgAsU[/video][/QUOTE]

Is that from the first Conan movie where Arnold spoke like 2 minutes the entire movie or from the second one where he was talkative af :lol The first one is a classic, the second one, not so much...

[QUOTE=TheMan;14669421]Is that from the first Conan movie where Arnold spoke like 2 minutes the entire movie or from the second one where he was talkative af :lol The first one is a classic, the second one, not so much...[/QUOTE]

First one. Conan the Barbarian. I need to watch these again. I haven't seen these since I was a kid. The problem is, these movies are so cheesy and awful, it's hard for me to watch them now. I started watching Commando the other day and I couldn't finish it. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14669426]First one. Conan the Barbarian. I need to watch these again. I haven't seen these since I was a kid. The problem is, these movies are so cheesy and awful, it's hard for me to watch them now. I started watching Commando the other day and I couldn't finish it. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Lol, Commando is pretty awful watching as an adult, lol. Predator does hold up, and the Terminator though. But I loved Conan as a kid, probably don't want to ruin my memory of that movie by watching it now :lol

Imagine being so mind controlled by western propaganda that you legitimately believe that the Russians blew up their own pipeline.... a pipe that they spent billions building, and happened to be their top bargaining chip in their efforts to secure a favorable peace deal.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14669388]Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.[/QUOTE]

Well hell, if it's based on nothing but Poopsie's uneducated opinion, then it must be true.

Apparently, the Russian Ministry of Defense just announced that the British were the ones who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

I guess I was wrong. Looked pretty obvious that the Americans did it.....but I guess not.

By the way, the British were behind the bombing of the bridge to Crimea. So they are doing the dirty work for this whole project. These are basically terrorist acts. Pretty sad that the UK and the West has resorted to this stuff.

:facepalm

Old news, but it wasn't covered in corporate news.

[video=youtube;Gj3cOOW_Av8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3cOOW_Av8[/video]

Good job by US.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14669388]Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.[/QUOTE]

We were using freezer trucks as morgues because of Covid when Trump was prez.

[QUOTE=jstern;14679240]Old news, but it wasn't covered in corporate news.

[video=youtube;Gj3cOOW_Av8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3cOOW_Av8[/video][/QUOTE]

That was great.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14666976]How about this?

[video=youtube;hk-0qJXyido]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-0qJXyido[/video][/QUOTE]

I remember this moronic nonsense, made by a guy from the military of one of US allies. "If the US had done it, they would have done it a different way" :oldlol:

[QUOTE]Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Back in Washington, planners knew they had to go to Norway. “They hated the Russians, and the Norwegian navy was full of superb sailors and divers who had generations of experience in highly profitable deep-sea oil and gas exploration,” the source said. They also could be trusted to keep the mission secret. (The Norwegians may have had other interests as well. The destruction of Nord Stream—if the Americans could pull it off—would allow Norway to sell vastly more of its own natural gas to Europe.)[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream?r=5mz1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web"]https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream?r=5mz1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web[/URL]

Good to see the truth is finally coming out although it was reasonably obvious from the start who was behind this. Of course, people caught up in the mainstream media spin could not wrap their heads around the idea that the US would execute such a questionable act. It hurt not only Russia but also Germany, one of our closest allies. The current German leadership is so weak that they didn't even protest.

An important goal of the US is to make sure Europe and especially Germany does not develop close economic ties to Russia. A Russia/Germany partnership would be very dangerous and powerful. Pressuring Germany to send Leopard Tanks to Ukraine is also part of this strategy of blocking any future partnership.

That's just some journalist blog. I can see that this journalist has prompted Russia to call for an international investigation but before this they had the blast pegged on the UK Navy.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14730158]That's just some journalist blog. I can see that this journalist has prompted Russia to call for an international investigation but before this they had the blast pegged on the UK Navy.[/QUOTE]

Funny how you chose the exact same wording as Reuters when they reported on this.

It's always pretty cool when you can discredit something completely while being as vague as possible, but OK, let's play your retarded game.

What's the angle of your post? The blog, is it place where this journalist, who's broken many stories about wrongdoings by US government through internal sources since the 70's, takes real world events and turn them into fictional story telling and makes money on it?

I predict that within a day or two, either of you or bladed will mention how the story can't be true because the described explosive Tcharges would not create the big explosion that was measured. That's the kind of fake information that are currently making the rounds in the same places where people for whatever reason also all agree that this is "just some blog".

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14730261]Funny how you chose the exact same wording as Reuters when they reported on this.

It's always pretty cool when you can discredit something completely while being as vague as possible, but OK, let's play your retarded game.

What's the angle of your post? The blog, is it place where this journalist, who's broken many stories about wrongdoings by US government through internal sources since the 70's, takes real world events and turn them into fictional story telling and makes money on it?

I predict that within a day or two, either of you or bladed will mention how the story can't be true because the described explosive Tcharges would not create the big explosion that was measured. That's the kind of fake information that are currently making the rounds in the same places where people for whatever reason also all agree that this is "just some blog".[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.