Why does Rudy Gobert get a pass for not developing his offensive game, but Simmons

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14694117]Whatever that discussion was(if it happened to begin with) I suspect your “paraphrase” is more than a little off.

I’m sure he knew his team better than you did(especially considering you looked at it entirely from a point of view built around propping up one player) but whatever he was as a player wouldn’t be why.

Id love to read whatever that argument was just to see how absurd your take away is and why you think I’d remember it. I’ve been wondering what the hell you’re talking about for quite a while.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't think you'd remember. I certainly didn't forget. God forbid someone criticizes a coach on a discussion board!

He knew his team so much better than me he refused to make adjustments in the playoffs for 3 straight years! I looked at it as they could have beat Denver, LAC and Dallas if they weren't getting out coached. He out coached Rivers and Donovon when they upset those teams. Coaching does matter. A coaches former playing ability not so much

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14694119]Yet it seems he’s gonna play the most minutes of his career. Why do you think that is? Why did both his previous coach you hate and his current coach you seem to think is a step in the right direction want to play this guy you think it’s terrible so many minutes?[/QUOTE]

could care less. He's a bum as far as I'm concerned. He's a gunner. He's got a low BB IQ. He doesn't defend. He can't shoot but shoots more than anyone. He's awful in the clutch and in final possessions. There's a reason he was a 6th man and not playing at the end of games his whole career. You're free to think what you like about him. I don't like him and never will. I don't like all players. Never have. Can't imagine anyone does!

COTM loved Clarkson and didn't allow Alec Burks to play that way. I'd take Burks any day. He's been good as soon as he got away from Utah

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694118]no I'm talking about a young guy that hasn't gotten set in his ways and is willing to try anything. He has them playing hard and sharing the ball. They have had a chance to win pretty much every game this year. They have won in many different ways. Clarkson is his biggest negative for sure[/QUOTE]

actively trying to solve world hunger we see.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694120]I wouldn't think you'd remember. I certainly didn't forget. God forbid someone criticizes a coach on a discussion board!

He knew his team so much better than me he refused to make adjustments in the playoffs for 3 straight years! I looked at it as they could have beat Denver, LAC and Dallas if they weren't getting out coached. He out coached Rivers and Donovon when they upset those teams. Coaching does matter. A coaches former playing ability not so much[/QUOTE]

I strongly suspect that not only did I not say it did nobody ever did in a serious fashion. What do you think? I think Magic Johnson was a better coach than Phil Jackson? You have been hung up for months on an argument that either never happened or you intentionally took the wrong way. What do you even think it was about? Give me some key words. I’ll find whatever it was if it happened.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694124]COTM loved Clarkson and didn't allow Alec Burks to play that way. I'd take Burks any day. He's been good as soon as he got away from Utah[/QUOTE]

if Gobert's WS doesn't go down in the playoff every single season, the Jazz wouldn't look this bad. same players, same minutes, same rotation, but with added pressure that's all.

that's a psychiatrists job, not a coach

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694123]could care less. He's a bum as far as I'm concerned. He's a gunner. He's got a low BB IQ. He doesn't defend. He can't shoot but shoots more than anyone. He's awful in the clutch and in final possessions. There's a reason he was a 6th man and not playing at the end of games his whole career. You're free to think what you like about him. I don't like him and never will. I don't like all players. Never have. Can't imagine anyone does![/QUOTE]

He’s a bum that you realize is a bum and neither the last coach nor this coach realizes it. You don’t think that’s odd? You don’t take qualified and much more informed opinions going directly against yours to suggest there may be reason to reconsider positions? Or are you the ultimate authority on how good jazz players are?

if it’s as simple as you think you know best that’s fine. That isn’t a position anyone can really do anything with. It just feels like you actually respect this new coach and he has come in and played Clarkson even more. It feels like that’s something that should make you think.

Genuinely doesn’t even occur to you to wonder why you can so easily tell he’s terrible but the people who evaluate him for a living and decide who plays and who doesn’t keep him on the court?

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14694129]He’s a bum that you realize is a bum and neither the last coach nor this coach realizes it. You don’t think that’s odd? You don’t take qualified and much more informed opinions going directly against yours to suggest there may be reason to reconsider positions? Or are you the ultimate authority on how good jazz players are?

if it’s as simple as you think you know best that’s fine. That isn’t a position anyone can really do anything with. It just feels like you actually respect this new coach and he has come in and played Clarkson even more. It feels like that’s something that should make you think.

Genuinely doesn’t even occur to you to wonder why you can so easily tell he’s terrible but the people who evaluate him for a living and decide who plays and who doesn’t keep him on the court?[/QUOTE]

internet, where magic didn't happen

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694011]You put other guys around him that defend so he doesn't have to try and guard everyone by himself. You have another big that can protect the rim to some extent when he has to leave the paint. You put him with two other great players that will overwhelm them at the other end. A coach that will make adjustments couldn't hurt even if they weren't a great college player[/QUOTE]

Your solution for Gobert to win is him being the 4th best player of the team? You finally came around and accepted the truth.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14694132]Your solution for Gobert to win is him being the 4th best player of the team? You finally came around and accepted the truth.[/QUOTE]

guess I never understood why teams/players were always so nice towards Gobert. what is he gonna do, not pass you the ball?

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14694132]Your solution for Gobert to win is him being the 4th best player of the team? You finally came around and accepted the truth.[/QUOTE]
:yaohappy:

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14694128]if Gobert's WS doesn't go down in the playoff every single season, the Jazz wouldn't look this bad. same players, same minutes, same rotation, but with added pressure that's all.

that's a psychiatrists job, not a coach[/QUOTE]

Things stay the same you will likely lose. You make adjustments. Lue threw everything at the Jazz until he found something that worked. Malone went big on the Jazz. It was the difference.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14694132]Your solution for Gobert to win is him being the 4th best player of the team? You finally came around and accepted the truth.[/QUOTE]

that might be what it takes in a few seasons when he has declined. He's certainly still the best player on his current team

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this clown loves Clarkson. Says it all!

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694208][URL]https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/smithbig.jpg?w=1024&h=436&crop=1[/URL]

this clown loves Clarkson. Says it all![/QUOTE]


Your coach is playing him career high minutes. Says quite a bit more.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14694215]Your coach is playing him career high minutes. Says quite a bit more.[/QUOTE]

Beasley is better. That's pretty obvious

Clarkson now below his career number at 43% and dropping fast as it always does with the bum. Shooting a great for him 35% from 3! A guy shooting that shouldn't be taking 8 3's a game. Does have the career high 2.6 TO a game to go along with the horrendous shooting, gunning, out of control play, passes into the seats, bad D.... The clutch and last possession numbers have to laughable!

BTW the Jazz have lost 5 in a row and 8 out of 10. I'm sure there is no relation to Clarkson's awful numbers being on a downward spiral as anyone that actually watches the games would know was inevitable

Gobert does get roasted for it especially since there is no competition at the center spot for him. He's not worrying about other 7'+ centers that can stop him. So at the end of the day it should be easy especially in a switch happy league but he couldn't even back down Chris Paul

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694168]Things stay the same you will likely lose.[/QUOTE]

so we get to strip away all of Gobert's accolades? nice.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14694230]

BTW the Jazz have lost 5 in a row and 8 out of 10. I'm sure there is no relation to Clarkson's awful numbers being on a downward spiral [B]as anyone that actually watches the games would know was inevitable[/B][/QUOTE]

thought it was "hard to argue against the obvious need for coaching change."

Interesting point