Has there ever been a player who destroyed a contender the way current Westbrook did?

[QUOTE=RRR3;14743493]The Lakers were the champs in 2020, first seed in 2021 before injuries messed them up and even then very likely at minimum make the finals if AD doesn't go down in the playoffs. Then Westbrook arrives and they can't even make the play-in (LeBron and AD missed a ton of games it's true, but even when healthy the team didn't play well). More of the same this year until Westbrook is traded and the Lakers suddenly look like a great team again, and even after LeBron gets injured yet again they continue to play well without him (a huge contrast to how they played without him pre-trade). Meanwhile, Westbrook has joined the Clippers who were on a hot streak before he arrived, and they are 2-5 since they acquired him. Westbrook was a great player in his prime, but his refusal to admit he no longer is seemingly makes him the most cancerous player in NBA history. It's truly incredible one man can destroy a good team like this.[/QUOTE]

No the Clippers are thriving with Westbrook. Lebron couldn't make the playoffs with him.

[QUOTE=SATAN;14744042]Gonna be interesting seeing what his contract looks like next season.[/QUOTE]

I think it's 50/50 he ends up overseas.

Clippers 4-0 since OP made this thread :oldlol:

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[QUOTE=Manny98;14745316]Clippers 4-0 since OP made this thread :oldlol:

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Been a positive on the court in 6 out of 9 games for the Clippers. +4.5 Net Rating with him on the court & -0.3 without him on the season. Let Russ Cook!

Another big win, BeastBrook playing his best basketball in years :applause:

Another L for OP

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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14743671]I’m acting the way I always act when I read a bad argument. Somewhere between smug and incredulous. You tell me one player is the difference between two teams that are literally 80% different players then talk to me about “facts” like you’re some reasonable observer making indisputable points. You are what everyone else is on subjects they simply won’t stop talking about. Emotionally compromised.

You say the same shit dozens and dozens of times in topics like you’re gonna make someone see the light of your brilliant observations and…it isn’t happening. If you believe it…fine. I don’t care what you think he is. But you seem to really really care that others see it your way. I rarely enter a topic even loosely laker related because I know who is gonna be there and why but generally when I click one eventually you arrive with a “fresh” Russ take. I feel like I’ve seen you say “I used to really like….” about him 68 times which is amazing when…as I mentioned…I don’t generally enter topics on these subjects.

Im either stumbling over you on one of these missions at a crazy rate or…you just do it a lot. And like I said that’s ok. It just isn’t effective. I’m watching Russ play right now. He just missed a fast break layup and turned it over earlier on a weird post up. Got a layup goaltended. Created some open looks. He just fouled Randle on an unnecessary reach in during a late shot clock post up. Dumb foul. Some good drives. It’s…him.

Im not getting new information from you. Anyone here who cares enough already thinks what they think and don’t much factor in your “facts”. I don’t know what you think happens when you keep posting them. As much as you interacted with 3ball you should know that all that comes of obsessively pointing out the same thing is people stop listening.

Mix it up and maybe get new reactions. I don’t know who you expect to come around after this long.

At some point you’re just Frank Grimes losing his mind over people not hating Homer


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Kblaze ethering and exposing RRR3

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"Wwaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh Westbrook waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! :cry:"


Lebron is the only player in the history of the sport to lead a super team (and a preseason favorite) to the lottery.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14743493]The Lakers were the champs in 2020, first seed in 2021 before injuries messed them up and even then very likely at minimum make the finals if AD doesn't go down in the playoffs. Then Westbrook arrives and they can't even make the play-in (LeBron and AD missed a ton of games it's true, but even when healthy the team didn't play well). More of the same this year until Westbrook is traded and the Lakers suddenly look like a great team again, and even after LeBron gets injured yet again they continue to play well without him (a huge contrast to how they played without him pre-trade). Meanwhile, Westbrook has joined the Clippers who were on a hot streak before he arrived, and they are 2-5 since they acquired him. Westbrook was a great player in his prime, but his refusal to admit he no longer is seemingly makes him the most cancerous player in NBA history. It's truly incredible one man can destroy a good team like this.[/QUOTE]

Westbrook made them good as well. Never missed playoffs playing with another star half the season until Lebron came along. Prove me wrong!

One of the worst backfired threads in recent memory

Clippers can't stop winning with Russ

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RRR3 taking a huge L like Lebron :lol

Our Boy Russ just keeps winning and going to the playoff once again

Funny how Russ only MISS the playoff once Ledeadweight recruited him :oldlol:

Low IQ Bran stan is wrong again :kobe:

The impact of Westbrook will be misunderstood by anyone that thinks he's a terrible addition to any team just like it will be misunderstood by anyone that thinks he's a good addition to any team. Russell Westbrook, especially with the decline he's had over the last few years, is a great player for a team that just wants to be respectable and doesn't have a star. Most great guards are at the least good shooters. Westbrook is not so it's hard for him to compliment other great ballhandlers. He might just be the worst point guard for Lebron james who just wants a jumpshooter that can bring the ball up the floor. They maybe even should have tried making James play off the ball even though that solution is flawed because James is a better playmaker than Westbrook. It works out better on the Clippers because George and Leonard don't dominate the ball like James and have to take so much time off. Unlike the Lakers where he was a liability the Clippers need that triple double machine.

The problem will be in the playoffs if/when Leonard are George are out there in the clutch. Lue will be challenged to make Westbrook useful in that situation because that's when you want the ball in Leonard's hands. But games like last night when they don't have their stars Westbrook is great for them to have around.

Revenge arc looming :lol

I knew Westbrook could still play, but thought his game would hurt a contender. PG and Kawhi were out though and Russ got to do his thing. Would like to see more of this...an efficient and productive game...while both are on the floor.

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Another bran stan with low IQ……:lol

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Dimwits ITT. Russ was benched in the second half thats why they won

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753691]Dimwits ITT. Russ was benched in the second half thats why they won[/QUOTE]


They were up like 20 at halftime weren’t they?

Sometimes you just have to take the L and move on :oldlol:

Russ fit in fine with the wizards and seems to be fitting in well with the clippers. Sure he has issues and isn't what he used to be but he isn't a cancer.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14753706]Sometimes you just have to take the L and move on :oldlol:

Russ fit in fine with the wizards and seems to be fitting in well with the clippers. Sure he has issues and isn't what he used to be but he isn't a cancer.[/QUOTE]
He was a terrible fit with the Lakers, but we'll see how Russ looks come playoff time. Ever since his MVP year he's been absolutely atrocious in the playoffs.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14753706]Sometimes you just have to take the L and move on :oldlol:

Russ fit in fine with the wizards and seems to be fitting in well with the clippers. Sure he has issues and isn't what he used to be but he isn't a cancer.[/QUOTE]
Fitting in so well they have a losing record when he plays :applause:

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753718]Fitting in so well they have a losing record when he plays :applause:[/QUOTE]


9-10 after starting off 0-5

*Yawn*

[QUOTE=tontoz;14753720]9-10 after starting off 0-5

*Yawn*[/QUOTE]
You can't just remove the 0-5 part :facepalm

Making ImKobe look intelligent with this kind of cherrypicking. How fitting your name means stupid in Spanish.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753723]You can't just remove the 0-5 part :facepalm

Making ImKobe look intelligent with this kind of cherrypicking. How fitting your name means stupid in Spanish.[/QUOTE]



You do realize that pg13 has missed the last 7 games, right?

Adding a significant piece in the middle of the season will obviously require some adjustments. Not hard to understand.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14753724]You do realize that pg13 has missed the last 7 games, right?

[B]Adding a significant piece in the middle of the season will obviously require some adjustments[/B]. Not hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
The Lakers were instantly good with their new pieces :lol

Pretending Disasterbrook is good in 2023 just because youre still asshurt LeBron is better than your hero Curry :facepalm sad

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753725]The Lakers were instantly good with their new pieces :lol

Pretending Disasterbrook is good in 2023 just because youre still asshurt LeBron is better than your hero Curry :facepalm sad[/QUOTE]



You are really getting desperate. Where did I ever say Curry was better than LeBron?

If you are talking about this year sure I think Curry is better. Career wise? No

Russ is averaging 15/7.6 with a TS of 55.6% with the clippers . Nothing wrong with what he is doing there.

The Lakers didn't add one guy they added several . They upgraded their talent level significantly. That is very different from picking up someone off waivers.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14753728]You are really getting desperate. Where did I ever say Curry was better than LeBron?

If you are talking about this year sure I think Curry is better. Career wise? No

Russ is averaging 15/7.6 with a TS of 55.6% with the clippers . Nothing wrong with what he is doing there.

The Lakers didn't add one guy they added several . They upgraded their talent level significantly. That is very different from picking up someone off waivers.[/QUOTE]
55.6 TS% is still bad in todays league. Especially considering he is frequently not even guarded. League average is 58.1%. And that’s with him shooting far better than he ever has before from 3-10 feet and 10-16 feet. Do you really think it would last for a whole season? The Lakers added DLo and scrubs, if that’s massively better than Westbrook not a good look for him.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753730]55.6 TS% is still bad in todays league. Especially considering he is frequently not even guarded. League average is 58.1%. And that’s with him shooting far better than he ever has before from 3-10 feet and 10-16 feet. Do you really think it would last for a whole season? The Lakers added DLo and scrubs, if that’s massively better than Westbrook not a good look for him.[/QUOTE]


DLo is having a career season from 3. The Lakers desperately needed shooting. Not hard to see the fit there.

For a guard I would say Russ has been pretty average in efficiency. But I don't think they got him for scoring efficiency. They got him to push the pace and break down the defense off the dribble.

PG13 had his career season playing with Russ. So did Beal. Russ can create easy baskets for other guys. He got our center gafford a contract he never would have gotten without Russ feeding him

[QUOTE=tontoz;14753737]DLo is having a career season from 3. The Lakers desperately needed shooting. Not hard to see the fit there.

For a guard I would say Russ has been pretty average in efficiency. But I don't think they got him for scoring efficiency. They got him to push the pace and break down the defense off the dribble.

PG13 had his career season playing with Russ. So did Beal. Russ can create easy baskets for other guys. He got our center gafford a contract he never would have gotten without Russ feeding him[/QUOTE]
Yes he’s a good passer. So is Ben Simmons. Both kill spacing and are thus negatives on offense in any serious game.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753742]Yes he’s a good passer. So is Ben Simmons. Both kill spacing and are thus negatives on offense in any serious game.[/QUOTE]


Simmons is a bad comparison. He is scared to shoot, scared to drive, scared to even play. That ain't Russ.

PG 13 played with Russ for 2 years. The clippers knew what they were getting. Russ takes bad shots that he can't make and turns it over too much. It is easy to focus too much on that and miss what he does well.

It helps that the clippers aren't paying $40 million for his services :oldlol:

That's more on Lebron for only winning 33 games despite being 2nd to win it all that year.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753742]Yes heÂ’s a good passer. So is Ben Simmons. Both kill spacing and are thus negatives on offense in any serious game.[/QUOTE]

You are way off the mark here. The number one rule of defense is still stop the ball. Since joining the Clippers Westbrook aggressive style is creating space for Gordon, Morris and PG before he got hurt. Defense still have to respect Westbrook when he gets in the paint... not the story with Ben.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14753742]Yes he’s a good passer. So is Ben Simmons. Both kill spacing and are thus negatives on offense in any serious game.[/QUOTE]


Ben Simmons is scared to shoot. Russ at least is aggressive and will make defenses pay if he's left completely open. Clippers have been better on offense with him despite losing PG to injury. Draymond kills spacing in GS because defenses play off him, but guess what, he's still a net-positive offensively because of the shots he creates for others. WB's defense isn't as bad as people make it out to be either, it's not great but it's not Jordan Clarkson-level bad either. EPM almost has him as an elite defender though I'd say that's more on the cast that he's played with.

I'm sure anything short of the Clippers winning a chip will be put on Westbrook as his 1 bad play gets more coverage than anyone else's but he's legitimately been a good signing for the Clippers. Look at how much better he fits with them compared to John Wall or Reggie Jackson this season, those guys tanked their ORTG numbers when on the court.

Lebron couldn't make play in with Westbrook. Every other star did.

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