School Shooting. Red State. Christian School.

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14749539]You realize homicide rates are higher in states with weaker gun laws right genius? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

What weaker gun laws? Do you even know what the gun laws are from state to state? It's almost impossible to obtain a gun in Chicago and New York, but yet gun crime is up since 2019.

Last time I checked, murder was still illegal. Shooting someone was still illegal. Robbing someone with a gun was still illegal.

Again, if you can't differentiate between weaker and stricter laws, then you shouldn't be talking about the subject at hand.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749545]What weaker gun laws? Do you even know what the gun laws are from state to state? It's almost impossible to obtain a gun in Chicago and New York, but yet gun crime is up since 2019.

Last time I checked, murder was still illegal. Shooting someone was still illegal. Robbing someone with a gun was still illegal.

Again, if you can't differentiate between weaker and stricter laws, then you shouldn't be talking about the subject at hand.[/QUOTE]

Yeah no shit its all illegal. The problem is that people who clearly have issues and/or are too young have easy access to owning a gun. The Robb Elementary school shooter from last year was 18. There's no way in hell that an 18 year old should have a gun

Conservatives: "restrictions do nothing"

So why not make full auto everything and hand grenades legal to anyone over age 8? It's because it would result in MORE deaths than we currently have now obviously. The more we adjust the slider, the less deaths. Currently our slider is in the "retardedly too easy to acquire firearms" section in bright red. We need to move it over to the middle more.

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14749353]

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/RbBsnHJ/Rcac-a-2052126-f0001-oc.jpg[/IMG]

Amount of mass shootings in developed countries ^

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/TRC18rG/Firearm-Page-1.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

You have to be mentally disabled to look at these graphs and then conclude that gun legality means nothing.

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14749540]Please show me where I implied banning all guns because I explicitly said I don't support banning all guns. You'd be a complete dumb **** to think that having stricter gun laws wouldn't lower the rate of mass shootings.

And the fact that you sound like you care more about guns than the possibility of reducing the deaths of innocent people shows what kind of shitty person you really are. But then again, im not really surprised[/QUOTE]

And yet you double down again by using the word "stricter" for like the 100th time in this thread. What does "stricter gun laws" look like to you? Again, with the laws that are currently in place, what else can be changed? I'm clowning on you cause I don't think you fully understand the scope of what you're talking about. You make wild accusations and assumptions and the only thing people like me ask of you, is to be more specific. Otherwise, please let the grown ups discuss what are the causes and solutions to gun violence.

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14749546]Yeah no shit its all illegal. The problem is that people who clearly have issues and/or are too young have easy access to owning a gun. The Robb Elementary school shooter from last year was 18. There's no way in hell that an 18 year old should have a gun[/QUOTE]

And this girl was 28. So that destroys your argument right there. Again, what are REAL solutions?


18 year olds are given guns when they join the military. 15 year olds can drive a car. There are more automobile deaths each year as opposed to gun deaths. And banning an 18 year old from obtaining a gun doesn't mean that person won't buy a gun at 19, 25, or 30 years of age to kill. When someone has it in their mind to kill, they will kill.

There are more guns in the United States than there are people. If their truly was a gun problem, this country would be empty. There wouldn't be any more traffic on the roadway.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749551]And yet you double down again by using the word "stricter" for like the 100th time in this thread. What does "stricter gun laws" look like to you? Again, with the laws that are currently in place, what else can be changed? I'm clowning on you cause I don't think you fully understand the scope of what you're talking about. You make wild accusations and assumptions and the only thing people like me ask of you, is to be more specific. Otherwise, please let the grown ups discuss what are the causes and solutions to gun violence.[/QUOTE]

You want me to be specific? Sure.

Have background checks for all gun purchases, including gun shows and private sales. This is a huge one. Not to mention, some gun shows have people without a license selling firearms which can lead to guns being sold without a background check. That needs to go away completely

Also there's obviously a problem with the US's mental health services. Funding on that needs to be increased so the services can help identify and treat people who may be at risk of committing violence.

And just to address your very last comment, stop talking to me like I'm some ****ing kid who knows nothing. Your big age isn't a measure of your intellect, and I've seen you say plenty of idiotic, immature things in the past where you resort to insults and name-calling whenever someone doesn't agree with you. Talk about reflecting a strong sense of superiority complex :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749552]And this girl was 28. So that destroys your argument right there. Again, what are REAL solutions?


18 year olds are given guns when they join the military. 15 year olds can drive a car. There are more automobile deaths each year as opposed to gun deaths. And banning an 18 year old from obtaining a gun doesn't mean that person won't buy a gun at 19, 25, or 30 years of age to kill. When someone has it in their mind to kill, they will kill.

There are more guns in the United States than there are people. If their truly was a gun problem, this country would be empty. There wouldn't be any more traffic on the roadway.[/QUOTE]

I brought up age to highlight that young adults should not have easy access to owning a gun, and it's clear that 28 year old had real mental issues which is also why I mentioned that people with clear issues should not have easy access as well.

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14749553]You want me to be specific? Sure.

Have background checks for all gun purchases, including gun shows and private sales. This is a huge one. Not to mention, some gun shows have people without a license selling firearms which can lead to guns being sold without a background check. That needs to go away completely

Also there's obviously a problem with the US's mental health services. Funding on that needs to be increased so the services can help identify and treat people who may be at risk of committing violence.

And just to address your very last comment, stop talking to me like I'm some ****ing kid who knows nothing. Your big age isn't a measure of your intellect, and I've seen you say plenty of idiotic, immature things in the past where you resort to insults and name-calling whenever someone doesn't agree with you. Talk about reflecting a strong sense of superiority complex :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Oh i love it when liberals use the gun show loop hole. There has been absolutely NO evidence that the sale of gun at gun shows have been involved in any mass shootings.

In california, you cannot buy any guns at any gun shows and walk out within minutes with a new gun. Yet here we are. a mass shooting in monterey park, california

Outside of private sales, everywhere you go to buy a gun, a background check is performed. So this has already been implemented nationwide. I have gone to several gun shows in different states from Florida to New York, and every time someone buys a gun, they make you sign a form, and they scan your ID, and a background check is performed.


I have no issues with raising the age. Raise it to 21 or 25. It's not going to stop people from killing people. What I do have a problem with is uninvolved parents who don't know their children have weapons or have destructive thoughts. And if they do know, but do nothing, then they are equally as culpable. What I do have a problem with is sending billions and billions of dollars to foreign countries, as opposed to putting those same kind of resources and energy into mental health, the economy, education, etc. right here at home instead. This person wasn't born with the desire to kill. This person's life path led this person to kill. Take away the gun from this person and the intent to kill is still there.

I mean, a completely sane person with no criminal record and no record of mental health issues can buy a gun one day, and the next day they can snap and shoot up a school.


What the anti-gun crowd will have to accept is that violence and the propensity to kill will always be there. Since man's first footsteps on Earth, we have been a violent species. But, we have also been a species capable of wonderful and beautiful things. Violence and murder is part of our history, our species, our DNA. This will never change.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749558]Oh i love it when liberals use the gun show loop hole. There has been absolutely NO evidence that the sale of gun at gun shows have been involved in any mass shootings.

In california, you cannot buy any guns at any gun shows and walk out within minutes with a new gun. Yet here we are. a mass shooting in monterey park, california[/QUOTE]

First off, I'm not a liberal. Secondly, the sale of guns without a background check at gun shows would still help limit the easy access people have to guns, even if it's by a tiny percentage

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749560]
I mean, a completely sane person with no criminal record and no record of mental health issues can buy a gun one day, and the next day they can snap and shoot up a school.
[/QUOTE]

This is more black and white mindset.

"We can't solve 100% of all gun murders with new laws therefor we shouldn't create new laws."





If raising the buying age to 25 gets us from 20k gun homicides a year to 19k gun homicides a year that is a huge W. The simple minded would still point at the 19k and declare that laws do nothing.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749547] The more we adjust the slider, the less deaths. Currently our slider is in the "retardedly too easy to acquire firearms" section in bright red. We need to move it over to the middle more.[/QUOTE]
:applause:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749560]


What the anti-gun crowd will have to accept is that violence and the propensity to kill will always be there. Since man's first footsteps on Earth, we have been a violent species. But, we have also been a species capable of wonderful and beautiful things. Violence and murder is part of our history, our species, our DNA. This will never change.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

If you're living in the U.S. you just have to get use to this. Mass shootings, along with guns will never go away. Don't like it? Move to a different country.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749580]This is more black and white mindset.

"We can't solve 100% of all gun murders with new laws therefor we shouldn't create new laws."





If raising the buying age to 25 gets us from 20k gun homicides a year to 19k gun homicides a year that is a huge W. The simple minded would still point at the 19k and declare that laws do nothing.[/QUOTE]


No, the point is that there are already pretty strict gun laws in this country, and yet murders still happen. So I will speak for you since you guys won't speak up for yourselves. Your ultimate goal will be a society with no guns in the hands of its citizens. Because we all know that at 19k murders, you'll be crying and calling for more laws to get to 18k murders and so on and so on.

And as you pump up people with the idea of more laws and more government, it still does nothing to address why people kill in the first place.

As I stated before, if there was truly a gun problem in this country, this country would be empty.


What you are seeing happening in this country is a combination of the following:

-Outright lawlessness because we glorify criminality in the media, entertainment, etc.
-Weak justice system that does not punish and put away violent offenders
-Lack of morality as a society. We aren't handling adversity anymore and in turn it creates an immoral sense of shutting down your opposition. The idea of treating others the way you would like to be treated is foreign to most people. The idea of walking away and taking the high road is foreign to most people.
-Lack of funding for mental health research. Why do you think those other countries don't have mass murderers? It's not because they don't have guns. It's because they lack the amount of crazy people allowed to roam free.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14749489]republicans don't want to propose any sort of universal hc program and to be fair, neither do dems.[/QUOTE]
Very stupid of the Dems tbh, because they would never lose if they embraced social democracy.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749580]This is more black and white mindset.

"We can't solve 100% of all gun murders with new laws therefor we shouldn't create new laws."





If raising the buying age to 25 gets us from 20k gun homicides a year to 19k gun homicides a year that is a huge W. The simple minded would still point at the 19k and declare that laws do nothing.[/QUOTE]
I know you have a knee-jerk reaction to disagree with Chewy and I don't blame you (despite what he says he'd love to ban guns for black people so he isn't pro gun either), but like I said earlier, other countries with legal guns don't have these shootings. Also, with fascists like DeSantis possibly taking executive power soon and having an army of brownshirts, do you really want guns to be illegal for everyone except the feds?

[QUOTE=n00bie;14749627]If you're living in the U.S. you just have to get use to this. Mass shootings, along with guns will never go away. Don't like it? Move to a different country.[/QUOTE]
These shootings exist because they 'contribute' to the economy somehow.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14749634]I know you have a knee-jerk reaction to disagree with Chewy and I don't blame you (despite what he says he'd love to ban guns for black people so he isn't pro gun either), but like I said earlier, other countries with legal guns don't have these shootings. Also, with fascists like DeSantis possibly taking executive power soon and having an army of brownshirts, do you really want guns to be illegal for everyone except the feds?[/QUOTE]
The US is the easiest country in the planet to acquire a firearm. Period.

What countries are you taking about that are comparable?


I'm not undermining mental health here either, there needs to be focus on that, but also we need to make an effort for mentally ill sickos to not easily purchase assault weapons.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749641]The US is the easiest country in the planet to acquire a firearm. Period.

What countries are you taking about that are comparable?


I'm not undermining mental health here either, there needs to be focus on that, but also we need to make an effort for mentally ill sickos to not easily purchase assault weapons.[/QUOTE]

have a cry about it

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749641]The US is the easiest country in the planet to acquire a firearm. Period.

What countries are you taking about that are comparable?


I'm not undermining mental health here either, there needs to be focus on that, but also we need to make an effort for mentally ill sickos to not easily purchase assault weapons.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://media.snopes.com/2020/12/yltpqxxlss6z.jpg[/IMG]

Repugs are going all in with the transphobia.

As if the shooter's identity made this happen.

Notice the ammosexuals never mention a shooter's identity when it is a white male (99% of the time).

[QUOTE=n00bie;14749627]If you're living in the U.S. you just have to get use to this. Mass shootings, along with guns will never go away. Don't like it? Move to a different country.[/QUOTE]

True, it'll always be a violent society due to a lot of psychopaths running around. It's genetic and from the original immigrants, who were often crazy in one way or another.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749558]Oh i love it when liberals use the gun show loop hole. There has been absolutely NO evidence that the sale of gun at gun shows have been involved in any mass shootings.

In california, you cannot buy any guns at any gun shows and walk out within minutes with a new gun. Yet here we are. a mass shooting in monterey park, california[/QUOTE]

"On November 22, 1998, their friend Robyn Anderson purchased the carbine rifle and the two shotguns for the pair at the Tanner Gun Show, as they were too young to legally purchase the guns themselves. After the attack, she told investigators that she had believed the pair wanted the weapons for target shooting, and denied that she had any prior knowledge of their plans. Anderson was not charged."

This is from the Wikipedia page about the Columbine High School Massacre.

[QUOTE=baudkarma;14749786]"On November 22, 1998, their friend Robyn Anderson purchased the carbine rifle and the two shotguns for the pair at the Tanner Gun Show, as they were too young to legally purchase the guns themselves. After the attack, she told investigators that she had believed the pair wanted the weapons for target shooting, and denied that she had any prior knowledge of their plans. Anderson was not charged."

This is from the Wikipedia page about the Columbine High School Massacre.[/QUOTE]

So their friend bought the guns legally and then later gave it to them. That wouldn't be classified as a gun show loophole. And the following statement is also true: Every gun used in a mass shooting was either bought at a gun show or at a gun store. There are no other alternatives unless you are referring to a government-issued weapon or a weapon created with a 3D printer.


And in other News:

[B][url=https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-nashville-shooter-was-under-doctors-care-for-emotional-disorder-mace/?utm_source=collin&utm_medium=twitter]BREAKING: Nashville Shooter Was Under Doctor’s Care for Emotional Disorder[/url][/B]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749797]So their friend bought the guns legally and then later gave it to them. That wouldn't be classified as a gun show loophole. And the following statement is also true: Every gun used in a mass shooting was either bought at a gun show or at a gun store. There are no other alternatives unless you are referring to a government-issued weapon or a weapon created with a 3D printer.


And in other News:

[B][url=https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-nashville-shooter-was-under-doctors-care-for-emotional-disorder-mace/?utm_source=collin&utm_medium=twitter]BREAKING: Nashville Shooter Was Under Doctor’s Care for Emotional Disorder[/url][/B][/QUOTE]

These clowns don't realize you can mill your own guns as long as you have the CAD files, which you can download somewhere.

The original claim was...

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749558] There has been absolutely NO evidence that the sale of gun at gun shows have been involved in any mass shootings.
[/QUOTE]

Which is incorrect in at least the instance of the Columbine shootings. Yes, the guns were bought legally, but that's my point. Why go through the risk and extra expense of buying a gun on the black market or stealing one when it's so much easier to obtain one legally? Even a convicted felon who can't pass a background check can probably convince a friend or family member to obtain one for them.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749797]BREAKING: Nashville Shooter Was Under Doctor’s Care for Emotional Disorder[/url][/B][/QUOTE]

You admitted that's why you weren't posting the last couple weeks.

[QUOTE=baudkarma;14749818]The original claim was...



Which is incorrect in at least the instance of the Columbine shootings. Yes, the guns were bought legally, but that's my point. Why go through the risk and extra expense of buying a gun on the black market or stealing one when it's so much easier to obtain one legally? Even a convicted felon who can't pass a background check can probably convince a friend or family member to obtain one for them.[/QUOTE]

stop moving the goal post.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749804]These clowns don't realize you can mill your own guns as long as you have the CAD files, which you can download somewhere.[/QUOTE]

All I need are the CAD files? I don't need some expensive, specialized piece of equipment? I don't need the knowledge on how to use that piece of equipment? I don't need any raw materials? I don't need ammunition?

Just download the CAD files and a semi-auto will magically appear in your lap.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749820]stop moving the goal post.[/QUOTE]

Were some of the guns involved in the Columbine shooting bought at a gun show?

[QUOTE=baudkarma;14749821]All I need are the CAD files? I don't need some expensive, specialized piece of equipment? I don't need the knowledge on how to use that piece of equipment? I don't need any raw materials? I don't need ammunition?

Just download the CAD files and a semi-auto will magically appear in your lap.[/QUOTE]

$50k on a machine. You don't even need a 4 axis for this job. Thats all you need. You see how people mill airsoft guns? Yea. The same way.

You know the Monterey Park shooter was milling rifle accessories. He lived in a mobile home. So, what expensive equipment do you need?

[QUOTE=baudkarma;14749822]Were some of the guns involved in the Columbine shooting bought at a gun show?[/QUOTE]

Your example is no different than taking the gun out of your mom's safe

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14749797]
And in other News:

[B][url=https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-nashville-shooter-was-under-doctors-care-for-emotional-disorder-mace/?utm_source=collin&utm_medium=twitter]BREAKING: Nashville Shooter Was Under Doctor’s Care for Emotional Disorder[/url][/B][/QUOTE]

Exactly

This sicko could have easily been flagged and unable to purchase guns legally. I don't know why anyone would be against that.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749823]$50k on a machine. You don't even need a 4 axis for this job. Thats all you need. You see how people mill airsoft guns? Yea. The same way.

You know the Monterey Park shooter was milling rifle accessories. He lived in a mobile home. So, what expensive equipment do you need?[/QUOTE]

You think this trans sicko was going to do all this? :oldlol:

I'd rather force them go this route.



In theory an 8 year old could do this, does that mean we should just allow 8 year olds to legally purchase guns?

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749836]Exactly

This sicko could have easily been flagged and unable to purchase guns legally. I don't know why anyone would be against that.[/QUOTE]

no one is against selling guns to mentally deranged democrats.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14749838]You think this trans sicko was going to do all this? :oldlol:

I'd rather force them go this route.



In theory an 8 year old could do this, does that mean we should just allow 8 year olds to legally purchase guns?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for proving to me that ban on guns isn't going to work. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749841]no one is against selling guns to mentally deranged democrats.[/QUOTE]
I am, why aren't you?

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14749842]Thanks for proving to me that ban on guns isn't going to work. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

Sure, laws don't matter because everyone would simply mill their own guns at home :roll: