[QUOTE=Cannonball]not by much.[/quote]
Lebron ≈ Dwade
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[QUOTE=Cannonball]not by much.[/quote]
Lebron ≈ Dwade
[QUOTE=Cannonball]not by much.
more like half of a (>).[/QUOTE]
BULL SH[COLOR="Black"]I[/COLOR]T
I will take a big tall 22 year old monster that has the ability to take a team to the Finals without Shaq Daddy over a foul shooter in a wheel chair any day.
LeBron is overrated....but so is D-Whistle.
I'd still take Wade over LeBron any day of the week though.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]after what wade did to your Mavs i thought you would show him more respect, but you seem to always trash him...[/QUOTE]
don't make me post the "phantom fouls" dude...
you're gonna make me post those aren't you?
[QUOTE=-primetime-]BULL SH[COLOR="Black"]I[/COLOR]T
I will take a big tall 22 year old monster that has the ability to take a team to the Finals without Shaq Daddy over a foul shooter in a wheel chair any day.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that "foul shooter in a wheel-chair" single-handedly squashed your team in the 2006 NBA Finals right?
Oh and Wade was the one who carried Shaq.....NOT the other way around.
Wade > LeBron > Dirk
[QUOTE=-primetime-]BULL SH[COLOR="Black"]I[/COLOR]T
I will take a big tall 22 year old monster that has the ability to take a team to the Finals without Shaq Daddy over a foul shooter in a wheel chair any day.[/QUOTE]
I would take lebron but like I said just by a half of a "<"
[QUOTE=-primetime-]don't make me post the "phantom fouls" dude...
you're gonna make me post those aren't you?[/QUOTE]
I didnt want this to turn into a wade vs. lebron forum. I think wade is better but I agree that lebron has "potential." God I hate that word.
Wade is better than lebron james imo it's not even close to me. Wade's only problem is that he is injury prone because unlike lebron he plays hard every minute every game and doesn't mail in half the season.
[QUOTE=Poseidon]You do realize that "foul shooter in a wheel-chair" single-handedly squashed your team in the 2006 NBA Finals right?
Oh and Wade was the one who carried Shaq.....NOT the other way around.
Wade > LeBron > Dirk[/QUOTE]
you made me do this...
your fault
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk[/url]
he single handedly fouled his way to victory...
28 free throws in one half...NBA record
no one was sallowed to even look in his direction
[QUOTE=d-wade2923]I didnt want this to turn into a wade vs. lebron forum. I think wade is better but I agree that lebron has "potential." God I hate that word.[/QUOTE]
Its on Bit[COLOR="Black"]ch![/COLOR]
LeBron is slightly better than Dwade, he is a better scorer. If you take away shaq dwade isn't going to be getting his full 28ppg. LeBron gets you 27 a game without shaq.
LeBron is a better passer. How you ask? Because he can hit any guy on the floor from anywhere without even looking. 1 assist less per game, yet no shaq.
LeBron is only slightly worse defensively. Wade is a good thief and blocker but he takes to many risks. LeBron doesn't take as many risks and tries stay in front of his man. LeBron has improved a ton on the defensive side of the ball.
LeBron is a better leader. He motivates like no other.
LeBron is a better rebounder.
But like I said it is VERY close.
LeBron James half of a ">" Dwayne Wade
[QUOTE=-primetime-]you made me do this...
your fault
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk[/url]
he single handedly fouled his way to victory...
28 free throws in one half...NBA record
no one was sallowed to even look in his direction[/QUOTE]
even so, he singlehandedly beat the Pistons that year when then Pistons were actually still good. im sorry but give me a healthy wade over healhty lebron any day
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]even so, he singlehandedly beat the Pistons that year when then Pistons were actually still good. im sorry but give me a healthy wade over healhty lebron [B]any day[/B][/QUOTE]
"any day"
ok...we will see how you feel about that "any day" three years from now when Shaq is gone and Wade has been exposed as amazingly over-rated
do think that if Wade played for the Cavs instead of Lebron that they would have gone to the Finals?....HELL NO
[QUOTE=-primetime-]"any day"
ok...we will see how you feel about that "any day" three years from now when Shaq is gone and Wade has been exposed as amazingly over-rated
do think that if Wade played for the Cavs instead of Lebron that they would have gone to the Finals?....HELL NO[/QUOTE]
how do u kno that
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]even so, he singlehandedly beat the Pistons that year when then Pistons were actually still good. im sorry but give me a healthy wade over healhty lebron any day[/QUOTE]
shaq had over 21ppg on 66 fg%....
[QUOTE=-primetime-]"any day"
ok...we will see how you feel about that "any day" three years from now when Shaq is gone and Wade has been exposed as amazingly over-rated
do think that if Wade played for the Cavs instead of Lebron that they would have gone to the Finals?....HELL NO[/QUOTE]
haha you must be joking. when shaq was out this year, wade was averaging near triple double figures on a piss poor Heat team. i am pretty sure him, z, varejo, hughes et al would have beaten a wiz team missing its 2 stars and an Old nets team
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]haha you must be joking. when shaq was out this year, wade was averaging near triple double figures on a piss poor Heat team. i am pretty sure him, z, varejo, hughes et al would have beaten a wiz team missing its 2 stars and an Old nets team[/QUOTE]
that would have gotten them to the ecf. :rollingeyes:
[QUOTE=Cannonball]Its on Bit[COLOR="Black"]ch![/COLOR]
LeBron is slightly better than Dwade, he is a better scorer. If you take away shaq dwade isn't going to be getting his full 28ppg. LeBron gets you 27 a game without shaq.
LeBron is a better passer. How you ask? Because he can hit any guy on the floor from anywhere without even looking. 1 assist less per game, yet no shaq.
LeBron is only slightly worse defensively. Wade is a good thief and blocker but he takes to many risks. LeBron doesn't take as many risks and tries stay in front of his man. LeBron has improved a ton on the defensive side of the ball.
LeBron is a better leader. He motivates like no other.
LeBron is a better rebounder.
But like I said it is VERY close.
LeBron James half of a ">" Dwayne Wade[/QUOTE]
Im gonna try to make this short cause im tired. Wade is a better scorer than lebron its not even close. Wade has a much better jumper than lebron and he averages more points than lebron. You mean to tell me that if u needed a bucket at the end of the game you would rather give to lebron than wade. Wade averaged the same amt of points if not more w/o shaq the past 2 seasons when shaq was always hurt. They are equally good passers even tho wade averages more assists partly b/c of shaq.
They are equally good drivers b/c wade is quicker but lebron is more explosive. How can u say that lebron is a better leader when he chokes in the 4th quarter and wade is mr. clutch in the 4th. Wade also beat the junk out of the mavs and led his team to a title. Lebron is a better rebounder I will give u that but hes also taller. It is close esp. after what lebron did this yr but wade is still clearly better. Hes a better scorer, shooter, defender, more clutch, and hes won a ring. Lebron is younger, and a better rebounder.
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]haha you must be joking. when shaq was out this year, wade was averaging near triple double figures on a piss poor Heat team. i am pretty sure him, z, varejo, hughes et al would have beaten a wiz team missing its 2 stars and an Old nets team[/QUOTE]
WHEN SHAQ WAS OUT THE TEAM WAS BELOW .500
when Wade was gone it was SHAQ that took the team to the play-offs...NOT WADE
god that motherfu[COLOR="Black"]c[/COLOR]ker is sooo over-rated it drves me nuts
and now Shaq is under-rated....HE IS STILL SHAQ
[QUOTE=Cannonball]that would have gotten them to the ecf. :rollingeyes:[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying. lebron james is a great player, but lets not make it out like his run this year was historic.
Not sure how this even a debate.
Wade carried his team to a championship over an elite team averaging 36 PPG.
LeBron failed to show up in the Finals as his team got swept.
Wade....by a mile.
[QUOTE=Poseidon]Not sure how this even a debate.
Wade carried his team to a championship over an elite team averaging 36 PPG.
LeBron failed to show up in the Finals as his team got swept.
Wade....by a mile.[/QUOTE]
I want to see Wade win something WITHOUT SHAQ...what Lebron did was more impressive
it is hard to win without Shaq
just ask Kobe
[QUOTE=-primetime-]I want to see Wade win something WITHOUT SHAQ...what Lebron did was more impressive
it is hard to win without Shaq
just ask Kobe[/QUOTE]
dude what the HELL are you talking about? Shaq did not do a damn thing against Dallas, in fact every time he went to the bench the Heat went on a run because they were so much better with him out and Mourning in instead.
Wade basically beat the mavs by himself, even the mavs players said it themselves.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]I want to see Wade win something WITHOUT SHAQ...what Lebron did was more impressive
it is hard to win without Shaq
just ask Kobe[/QUOTE]
Kobe also won when shaq was in his prime and shaq had to carry kobe hence shaq won the finals mvp 3 times. Wade had to carry shaq in 2006 finals hence wade won the nba finals mvp. Therefore it would appear that it would be an easier transition for wade to win w/o shaq than it is for kobe.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]WHEN SHAQ WAS OUT THE TEAM WAS BELOW .500
when Wade was gone it was SHAQ that took the team to the play-offs...NOT WADE
god that motherfu[COLOR="Black"]c[/COLOR]ker is sooo over-rated it drves me nuts
and now Shaq is under-rated....HE IS STILL SHAQ[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep saying that? With Wade and without Shaq, the HEat were 18-14. They were 16-8 with Shaq and without Wade. Shaq played with a healthy Heat team with the excepiton of Wade. Wade didn't have J-will for 20+ games, not to mentoin Antwoin, Posey, Payton and even Zo for a couple of games. Shaq played with Eddie Jones, while Wade didn't have EJ AT ALL, and anyone who watched the HEat during their 9 game win streak, which I 'm sure you DIDN't, knows how vital EJ defence was. Most of all Riley took a leave of abscense and didn't come back until Shaq came back. SO, I know you to believ that Wade flopped without SHaq but the facts say otherwise and anyone who watched the HEat throughout the season will tell you the same.
[QUOTE=Free]Why do you keep saying that? With Wade and without Shaq, the HEat were 18-14. They were 16-8 with Shaq and without Wade. Shaq played with a healthy Heat team with the excepiton of Wade. Wade didn't have J-will for 20+ games, not to mentoin Antwoin, Posey, Payton and even Zo for a couple of games. Shaq played with Eddie Jones, while Wade didn't have EJ AT ALL, and anyone who watched the HEat during their 9 game win streak, which I 'm sure you DIDN't, knows how vital EJ defence was. Most of all Riley took a leave of abscense and didn't come back until Shaq came back. SO, I know you to believ that Wade flopped without SHaq but the facts say otherwise and anyone who watched the HEat throughout the season will tell you the same.[/QUOTE]
amen except that antwoin and payton piss me off cause they are old pieces of junk who need to part ways with the heat
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]dude what the HELL are you talking about? Shaq did not do a damn thing against Dallas, in fact every time he went to the bench the Heat went on a run because they were so much better with him out and Mourning in instead.
Wade basically beat the mavs by himself,[B] even the mavs players said it themselves[/B].[/QUOTE]
link...?
are you trying to tell me that Shaq was a non-factor?
[QUOTE=Free]Why do you keep saying that? With Wade and without Shaq, the HEat were 18-14. [B]They were 16-8 with Shaq and without Wade[/B]. Shaq played with a healthy Heat team with the excepiton of Wade. Wade didn't have J-will for 20+ games, not to mentoin Antwoin, Posey, Payton and even Zo for a couple of games. Shaq played with Eddie Jones, while Wade didn't have EJ AT ALL, and anyone who watched the HEat during their 9 game win streak, which I 'm sure you DIDN't, knows how vital EJ defence was. Most of all Riley took a leave of abscense and didn't come back until Shaq came back. SO, I know you to believ that Wade flopped without SHaq but the facts say otherwise and anyone who watched the HEat throughout the season will tell you the same.[/QUOTE]
Shaq is the reason they were in the play-offs
I don't care who else was or wasn't injured....without Shaq the Heat would not have made it
stop under-rating Shaq....when he is healthy he is the best center in the NBA
[QUOTE=-primetime-]link...?
are you trying to tell me that Shaq was a non-factor?[/QUOTE]
sorry man i don't have a link for something that happened over a year ago.
yes, i am telling you explicity that shaq did not do a damn thing against dallas and that when he was in the game it was an advantage for dallas.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]Shaq is the reason they were in the play-offs
I don't care who else was or wasn't injured....without Shaq the Heat would not have made it
stop under-rating Shaq....when he is healthy he is the best center in the NBA[/QUOTE]
Without Wade they wouldn't have made the playoffs either. No one is underating Shaq, you're just underrating Wade.
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]sorry man i don't have a link for something that happened over a year ago.
yes, i am telling you explicity that [B]shaq did not do a damn thing against dallas[/B] and that when he was in the game it was an advantage for dallas.[/QUOTE]
cannonball claims
[QUOTE=Cannonball]shaq had over 21ppg on 66 fg%.....[/QUOTE]
and even if Shaq didn't score that much it doesn't matter....his presence in the center demands attention that opens things up for Wade
the Mavs were not able to double up on Wade because of Shaq....and that is something that numbers don't show
[QUOTE=-primetime-]cannonball claims
and even if Shaq didn't score that much it doesn't matter....his presence in the center demands attention that opens things up for Wade
the Mavs were not able to double up on Wade because of Shaq....and that is something that numbers don't show[/QUOTE]
the link Cannoball provided was for the ECF. and like I said, wade was doing this all when Shaq was on the bench for long stretches. I know you have a personal thing against wade for whatever reason, but anyone who saw the Finals knows shaq was basically worthless and wade (with some enormous ref help) won the entire Finals for them
[QUOTE=jackjohnson]the link Cannoball provided was for the ECF. and like I said, wade was doing this all when Shaq was on the bench for long stretches. I know you have a personal thing against wade for whatever reason, but anyone who saw the Finals knows [B]shaq was basically worthless [/B]and wade (with some enormous ref help) won the entire Finals for them[/QUOTE]
you are so wrong
anyone who saw the Finals knows that the refs were worthless
I used to think lebron was overrated but I dont think so anymore. He is the 3rd best player in the game and ripped the "choke" tag from him in the detroit series. Now he just has to learn to perform well against the best (san antonio) particularly in the playoffs. I always remember lebron playing very very well against SA in the regular season. Guess that didnt matter in the finals.
Lebron is a BEAST and is not overrated. Ya, he seems arrogant in his interviews and such but i just think he is just very confident and sure of himself which isnt such a bad characteristic.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]cannonball claims
and even if Shaq didn't score that much it doesn't matter....his presence in the center demands attention that opens things up for Wade
the Mavs were not able to double up on Wade because of Shaq....and that is something that numbers don't show[/QUOTE]
Shaq was so awful defensively in that series that the Heat would go on runs whenever he was our. And I remember the Mavs players(Nowitzki IIRC) DID say Wade beat them all by himself.
[QUOTE=The_Masterplan]I used to think lebron was overrated but I dont think so anymore. He is the 3rd best player in the game and ripped the "choke" tag from him in the detroit series. Now he just has to learn to perform well against the best (san antonio) particularly in the playoffs. I always remember lebron playing very very well against SA in the regular season. Guess that didnt matter in the finals.
Lebron is a BEAST and is not overrated. Ya, he seems arrogant in his interviews and such but i just think[B] he is just very confident and sure of himself which isnt such a bad characteristic[/B].[/QUOTE]
The media and everyone growing up has always glorified him and made him think hes perfect therefore hes confident. What he needs is someone to sit him down and say "your jumpshot sucks. fix it." And then he needs to actually focus on improving that part of his game instead of dressing up like mchammer and parading around the stage like an idiot for some ****ty awards show.
And to top it off he needs to read "How to not be an arrogant prick; for dummies."
what does IIRC mean? Thanks.
There is no use arguing about primetime about last years mavs/heat series. I dont have a problem with it but he wont change his mind about it. I still think shaq helped a lot with wade and i still think the refs did screw the mavs over somewhat.
That's why there is no use arguing with me about it either. The mavs were the better team in that series and thats a fact to me.
[QUOTE=The_Masterplan]what does IIRC mean? Thanks.
There is no use arguing about primetime about last years mavs/heat series. I dont have a problem with it but he wont change his mind about it. I still think shaq helped a lot with wade and i still think the refs did screw the mavs over somewhat.
That's why there is no use arguing with me about it either. The mavs were the better team in that series and thats a fact to me.[/QUOTE]
IIRC=If I remember correctly
And yeah I agree the Mavs were the more talented team and that the refs did screw them over a bit. I was rooting for the Pistons and the Heat beat them, so I rooted against Miami at the time. I was pissed as hell when Miami beat the Mavs but now that I look back on it I realize that Dwyane Wade(even when you factor in the few phantom fouls he got) was amazing.
[QUOTE=Poseidon]You do realize that "foul shooter in a wheel-chair" single-handedly squashed your team in the 2006 NBA Finals right?
Oh and Wade was the one who carried Shaq.....NOT the other way around.
Wade > LeBron > Dirk[/QUOTE]
reading that comment, i am now 10% stupider. with a fckn test 2morrow THANX!
[QUOTE=jo3y91]reading that comment, i am now 10% stupider. with a fckn test 2morrow THANX![/QUOTE]
You were already stupid to begin with....so I doubt my comment really added to your idiocy.
[QUOTE=The_Masterplan]what does IIRC mean? Thanks.
[B]There is no use arguing about primetime about last years mavs/heat series[/B]. I dont have a problem with it but he wont change his mind about it. I still think shaq helped a lot with wade and i still think the refs did screw the mavs over somewhat.
That's why there is no use arguing with me about it either. The mavs were the better team in that series and thats a fact to me.[/QUOTE]
now that I think about....this is 100% true
the only thing you are gonna get out of me is a reminder of how bad those refs where...