2023 Pre=season

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/agbajis-expanding-game/[/url]

[QUOTE]When Ochai Agbaji arrived at Kansas University in 2018, nobody had any clue he would become a Jayhawk legend. He was ranked as the 337th best prospect in the nation at the time he committed to KU, and hadn’t even been a consistent starter on his AAU team. The Jayhawks’ plan was to grab the local product and let him develop in practice during a redshirt year.

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followed that path early last year as well

[QUOTE]Interestingly enough, his first pro season followed a similar pattern. While the Jazz didn’t [I]literally[/I] redshirt him early in the 2022-23 season, he saw far more G League action by New Year’s (288 minutes) than he had logged for the big boy club (127). But just like four years earlier, Agbaji was quietly doing his work in the background, and a door was about to crack open.

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and he didn't look great with the Stars either

[QUOTE]The analysis of last summer’s Jazz-Cavs trade was so focused on draft assets that even eventual All-Star Lauri Markkanen was a bit of an afterthought in the coverage. Collin Sexton was the first incoming player listed in most national and local stories, but the real focus was on the three unprotected draft picks coming Utah’s way in the deal. So much so that Agbaji was a bit lost in the shuffle. He was also arriving to a team flush with guards, so despite his impressive senior season, he was rather inconspicuous heading into the season.

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didn't see him in summer league but as a lottery pick everyone should have been excited about him

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/11/former-utah-jazz-player-dante-exum-is-looking-like-the-player-they-hoped-he-would-be/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]Former Utah Jazz player, Dante Exum, is looking like the player they hoped he would be[/h][/QUOTE]

they hoped he'd be a superstar :facepalm

[QUOTE]And it’s possible Exum earns that spot too, as the Mavericks have experimented with starting lineups that included Olivier-MaxenceProsper, Josh Green, and Derrick Jones Jr. at the small forward position. Putting Exum in that spot, or more specifically Doncic, would allow the Mavericks to have a guard/forward in Exum who could play defense against anyone while being able to contribute on offense.

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can he contribute anything on offense though?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/11/its-only-preseason-but-the-utah-jazz-could-use-a-stable-point-guard/[/url]

[QUOTE]Collin Sexton doesn’t look much better, however. Clarkson hustled for rebounds (5), and Horton-Tucker was a solid defender on guys all night, but Sexton didn’t provide anything for the team to rely on with his shot not falling. Going 1-5 isn’t a bad thing, especially in preseason, as games like that happen to just about everyone. But to not provide any bit of support beyond scoring is not a good sign of things to come.

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we know what Sexton can do already.

[QUOTE] Ben Anderson: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]@utahjazz have waived two-way forward Joey Hauser[/URL]. #takeNote | @kslsports

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]


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I guess the exhibit 10 guys could get the spot or someone else? Can Hauser still play for the Stars?

[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/jazz-insider-floats-idea-of-fixing-point-guard-woes-via-trade/ar-AA1i469H?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=01c1f0cb28664f949441b75cbc49c599&ei=22"]Jazz Insider Floats Idea of Fixing Point Guard Woes via Trade (msn.com)[/URL]

[QUOTE]“The Jazz had hoped that he would be the starting point guard, and he has disappointed so hugely,” Larsen said, referring to Collin Sexton’s start to the preseason. “It’s two preseason games, and you don’t want to read too much into it, but these are the same flaws that Collin has had throughout his career where he’s not a natural point guard.”
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I'd say most of the team hasn't looked good outside Dunn and whomever has been on the floor with him against 3rd and 4th strings

[QUOTE]Brogdon still has two years left on his contract, in which he’s owed 45 million over that time. That’s a lot of money for a player who will be 31 this season and has had injury problems for most of his career.
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Is he 45 million better than Dunn? I'm thinking not personally

[QUOTE]The other long term solution would be to hand the job over to rookie Keyonte George and deal with the growing pains of a nineteen-year-old leading the team.
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You could say the same for Sexton or Talen. They are young and have at least started at the 1. I'd say George off the bench until he's ready. Trade deadline probably

wonder if Hauser got a deal to play overseas and wanted out or the Jazz thought other exhibit 10 guys looked better?

[QUOTE] Shams Charania: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Utah Jazz are planning to sign former Rockets first-round pick Josh Christopher to a two-way NBA deal,[/URL] sources tell me and @Tjonesonthenba. The guard averaged 7 points and 15.4 minutes across two seasons in Houston. His brother, Patrick, played 4 games for Jazz in 2014-15.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania"]Twitter ShamsCharania[/URL]


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nice that's someone that could actually help the Jazz at some point

won't be 22 until December. Would be a senior in college. Looks like a decent playmaker. Can't shoot

Stars roster coming into view

Christopher/Langford/Devoe/Kinsey
Sensabaugh/Juzang/Justice
Hendricks/Hauser(not sure if he can still play with the Stars or nor?)
Potter/Ongenda

need a couple pg's it would appear

[url]https://kslsports.com/505970/jazz-return-from-extended-preseason-trip/[/url]

[QUOTE]Finding full rotation minutes for even one rookie on this Jazz roster might be difficult this season, much less three.

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probably all be playing after the deadline

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/13/the-rookies-need-to-earn-their-spots-with-the-utah-jazz/[/url]

[QUOTE]There’s a small contingent of Utah Jazz fans right now that seem to think pushing Keyonte George and Taylor Hendricks into rotational spots with [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2023/10/11/23913625/jazz-fans-not-to-worry-about-taylor-hendricks-rookie-nba-preseason"]high minutes is the way to g[/URL]o. And among them, there are even some who think the two rookies should be shoehorned into the starting lineups. Both ideas are bad form for the Jazz and should be avoided at all costs.

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high minutes with the Stars until they are ready is the way to go. Dominate the Gleague and force the Jazz's hand

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– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL][/QUOTE]

Stars should try to get him. I believe he still lives here.




[QUOTE] How long do you want to continue playing professionally? Derrick Favors: [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]I’m 32. I want to keep paying until my body tells me I can’t play anymore. I’m playing until the wheels fall off. I still feel like I’ve got a lot more years left in me, and I still feel like I can compete at a high level. I still feel like I can help a team.[/URL] I think I’ve shown in the past that I can adjust to any role that I’m in. I can come into the game on the offensive and defensive end. I can still do a lot of things out there on the court with the right team and the right situation to help a team either win a championship or be a mentor to a younger team.

– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]







The Utah Jazz recently traded away Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert. During their era, why could those talented teams not take the next step? Derrick Favors: I think we just got hurt at the wrong time. That last year, when we went to the playoffs, and we lost to the Clippers, they were a good team, but I think we could’ve beat them, but Mike Conley ended up getting hurt. Donovan Mitchell also got hurt. We were down our two leading guys. You’ve also got to remember that we were going up against Houston and Golden State when they had the best record in the league and the best team. Houston had James Harden at the time, winning 65 games. [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]I think some of it was matchups, going against two historically great offensive teams. We couldn’t match up with them, but who could in the league? If it wasn’t for Golden State, Houston probably would’ve won championships. If it wasn’t for those two teams, we could’ve won a championship[/URL].

– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]






How did you find out about the Deron Williams trade, and what was your reaction? Derrick Favors: [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]I was 19 at the time. The funny thing about that is as soon as I got drafted around training camp and preseason time, that was the Carmelo Anthony trade talks where New Jersey wanted Carmelo. I had to deal with those trade rumors up to February. Once Melo got traded to the Knicks, I relaxed because I thought maybe my name wouldn’t be in more trade rumors. Then the Deron Williams trade happens with Utah the next day or two.[/URL] I found out when I think I was told to go home by the assistant GM right after the All-Star break. I didn’t know what was going on, and I don’t think anybody knew. Then, it just happened right there on ESPN.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]







What are your plans down the line after you retire from basketball? Derrick Favors: [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]I’m pretty sure I’d spend the majority of that time raising my kids and being present. Anything else I’d figure out, but I think once I’m done, I’d spend the majority of that time giving my kids the attention and love they deserve[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/derrick-favors-deron-williams-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-jazz-era-nba-return/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]

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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2023/10/16/23914362/jazz-mailbag-part-i-the-latest-on-the-guard-battle-kris-dunn-john-collins-and-more[/url]

[QUOTE]Lately I’ve been wondering if it might be a better idea to put Dunn next to rookie Keyonte George and bring them off the bench, in order to bolster the second unit, but also to bring George along at a bit of a slower pace, rather than throwing him to the wolves at a time when you don’t need to speed up the timeline.

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George is looking like gleaguer

[QUOTE]On the other side of things we have Ömer Yurtseven, who unfortunately is farther down on the depth chart. The reason he hasn’t been a huge topic of conversation is because he’s at best the Jazz’s third option at center. I don’t know how much we’re actually going to be seeing him play in order to have some fully formed opinions of him as it relates to the Jazz.

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He'll get some time when they need some more beef in the middle which isn't needed as much these days

[QUOTE]Plus, why play without Collins and Lauri Markkanen when you can play with them instead?

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because the rest of the league is playing small

[url]https://kslsports.com/501403/top-50-jazz-players-6-rudy-gobert/[/url]

not sure the criteria but this thing just went from laughable to pathetic. He's #3 and it's not close

[QUOTE]By the end of his second season in Utah, Gobert had earned a spot in the team’s starting lineup while restoring legitimacy to the franchise after the disastrous Tyrone Corbin era.

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1 playoff berth and 1 near playoff berth with a team built around a black hole and 1 year of tanking is disastrous?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/16/the-utah-jazzs-odd-man-out-should-be-keyonte-george-at-least-to-start-the-season/[/url]

Dunn and Agbaji should start. Sexton and Talen off the bench ideally but The Bum will have to play for a couple months unfortunately until he's dealt. George with the Stars

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/16/the-utah-jazz-should-not-run-a-four-guard-lineup-during-the-regular-season/[/url]

why not? They should be prepared for anything. GS is playing Klay at the 4. They need to look to play smaller not bigger if anything

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/15/kris-dunn-has-out-played-every-other-guard-this-preseason-and-deserves-to-start/[/url]

he's been the best player on the team. Probably their best defender. Can finish, run the offense, hit open shots

[QUOTE] Ben Rohrbach: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Utah Jazz announce they have waived Romeo Langford[/URL].

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/brohrbach"]Twitter brohrbach[/URL]

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he was playing some 1 last game. Might be the Stars one if George isn't?

[QUOTE] [URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-porter-jr-trade-begins-week-of-final-roster-moves-210020418.html"]The Rockets were also in touch with Utah on deal structures that would have sent Talen Horton-Tucker to Houston,[/URL] sources said.

– via [URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-porter-jr-trade-begins-week-of-final-roster-moves-210020418.html"]Jake Fischer @ Yahoo! Sports[/URL]


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they need to move at least 1 guy until The Bum can be dumped in a couple months

[URL="https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/utah-jazz-waive-devoe-justice-and-langford"]The Utah Jazz have waived guard Michael Devoe, forward Keshawn Justice, and guard/forward Romeo Langford[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/utah-jazz-waive-devoe-justice-and-langford"]Gabby Hundman @ NBA.com[/URL]

I saw why they want to change Sensabaugh's physique. He didn't look fat exactly just not toned. Definitely has some talent

looks like Bullock for Talen works

[QUOTE] With the Jazz’s multitude of offensive-oriented guards, Dunn’s defense stands out. It’s that skill that, Hardy says, may even turn him into a starter during the 2023-24 season — as soon as opening day. “I think there are opportunities for us to change the (starting) lineup at certain times, depending on who we’re playing, Hardy said. [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2023/10/17/kris-dunn-has-ridden-his-unique/"]“We’re always looking at it like we’re trying to maximize 48 minutes, but yes, Kris is somebody who could be in that slot. He could potentially be there the opening night of the season, he could not.”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2023/10/17/kris-dunn-has-ridden-his-unique/"]Salt Lake Tribune[/URL]


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If you're really all about putting the best players out there it should be Dunn and Agbaji no question but obviously the fact that The Bum started last year none of that is really true. It's a shame because there's a lot to like about you as a coach otherwise

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/17/5-realistic-trade-targets-for-the-utah-jazz-some-point-this-season/4/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=2]Alex Caruso[/h][/QUOTE]

would love him!

[QUOTE][h=2]Tyus Jones[/h][/QUOTE]

probably smaller than you'd like. Rather have Sexton I think

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/18/ksl-names-rudy-gobert-no-6-utah-jazz-player-ever-but-is-he/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]KSL names Rudy Gobert No. 6 Utah Jazz player ever but is he?[/h][/QUOTE]

he's 3. It's not even close. No one had close to the impact outside the statues

[QUOTE]Well, let’s look at some key categories. Firstly, defense. Yeah, save for Kirilenko, and Mark Eaton, there isn’t a Jazz defender who matches Gorbert’s talent on the defensive end of the floor. And while we’re all on board with Eaton being seen as the better defender, it’s by relative hairs that he is.

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Eaton sucked. He wasn't close to the defender Gobert was. Kirilenko might have been his all star year?

[QUOTE]Lastly, offense and this is where Gobert flops. He was a fine rim-runner, but he wasn’t really capable of creating his own offense. He could catch lobs and was decent enough to hit his put-backs, but he wasn’t going to bring anyone out of the paint and he certainly wasn’t a threat from three-point.

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you need to find something else to do with your time. His impact on offense was huge. He did all the little things so others could score. :facepalm

[QUOTE]He has the accolades, he has the success, the problem is that his contract and behavior as of late have soured the image of Gobert. Something we were a bit guilty of. The modern narrative is that he’s overrated and isn’t very good, but he was actually the best defensive player for the Minnesota Timberwolves last season, and the team’s defense faltered with him off the court.

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the non max contract that he earned by being an all NBA/DPOTY? How many Jazz players have more all NBA selections? Pretty sure just two :bowdown:

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/18/while-12th-may-be-too-low-the-criticism-around-the-utah-jazz-isnt-unfair/[/url]

[QUOTE]That’s absurd, as this team was nearly in the playoffs last season with a less impressive roster. Sure, not having Conley hurts, but the team isn’t somehow worse today than it was at the end of the prior season.

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they weren't good at the end of the year though and now The Bum is back so yes they actually might be worse especially if Dunn isn't playing. If he and Agbaji start and The Bum's minutes are limited they could surprise again

[url]https://fansided.com/posts/will-the-utah-jazz-finally-end-their-incomprehensible-triple-double-drought-01hd1nkvek88[/url]

Who cares? One of the most overrated feats in basketball. Haven't been a fan since the days of Kidd going 4-17 from the field and getting one

Andy Larsen: Report from shootaround: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jordan Clarkson, John Collins, Lauri Markkanen, and Kelly Olynyk will all rest tonight vs. Sacramento[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/andyblarsen"]Twitter andyblarsen[/URL]

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2023/10/19/23921615/utah-jazz-high-notes-and-low-notes-from-preseason-finale[/url]

[QUOTE]I’m starting to worry that maybe Luka Samanic hasn’t done enough during the preseason to warrant the Jazz using the final roster spot on him. He has staggered guarantee dates in his contract (one before the start of the regular season and another in January) so the Jazz could give him a few more months, but I don’t know that it’s going to happen. He’s had a rough preseason.

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he hasn't looked as good as last year but he's better than Simone

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/do-the-jazz-need-to-trade-for-a-point-guard/[/url]

[QUOTE]Perhaps the biggest topic du jour in Jazzland is the guard rotation. The six strongest candidates for minutes are Jordan Clarkson, Collin Sexton, Talen Horton-Tucker, Kris Dunn, Keyonte George, and Ochai Agbaji. Thus far, coach Will Hardy has solved this squeeze by playing some guards out of position. For example, Agbaji has primarily played as a forward, even though he’s ideally a shooting guard if the Jazz want to play with positional size. We’ve even seen lineups with center Walker Kessler and four guards.

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I wouldn't necessarily say Agbaji is ideally a guard in today's game especially with how big the Jazz are playing though I think he should be starting at the 2 next to Dunn

[QUOTE]The other issue facing the Jazz roster is a deficiency in passing and strong overlap in other guard skills. Sexton, THT, and Dunn prefer to score their points on drives. While THT and Dunn have had hot scoring streaks, they don’t generate gravity on the perimeter, making them shaky fits in Kessler lineups. And while Clarkson has evolved his passing game admirably, making him the primary distributor may be asking too much.

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Dunn has hit open shots and Sexton can hit from anywhere. The Bum sucks. Dunn is the best fit regardless. Probably best defender on the team and one of the best in the whole league and runs the team the best. He should start no question

[QUOTE]That said, starting the rookie to start the season isn’t a clear cut answer. Hardy has shown that playing time must be earned. Players don’t need to start to develop, and Key has already earned significant minutes as a backup in preseason play. Point guard is a notoriously hard position for rookies to play, and throwing a nineteen-year-old right into the furnace could prove unwise. Ideally George can take more and more responsibility as he becomes ready for it, rather than being the only option.

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should start with the Stars clearly

[QUOTE]Even during last year’s rebuild, the Jazz brought in veterans like Kelly Olynyk and Mike Conley to create a functional offense. Rewards were reaped, as players like Kessler and Lauri Markkanen blossomed in a stable environment. The same argument can be made for bringing in a table setter to ease George’s development as he grows into his role.

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Dunn is already that guy

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/19/the-utah-jazz-waived-a-former-first-round-player-this-week-and-no-one-should-be-shocked/[/url]

still only 23. Ainge certainly sees something in him. Looked like they might want him playing the 1 with the Stars?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/19/zach-lowe-disrespects-the-utah-jazzs-watchability-and-fun/[/url]

When the Bum was off the floor last year it was as likable of a team as the Jazz have ever had. Unselfish and they played hard