That Duncan gif really triggered him, good to know to use that in the future.
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That Duncan gif really triggered him, good to know to use that in the future.
[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14868794]BTW I'm having a rare post as it's new years day here...I'm in my lovely backyard with my family as I sip a drink and my son and wife splash in the pool.
Enjoy your NYE though...you're a winner[/QUOTE]
Fake son is fake
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14868799]That Duncan gif really triggered him, good to know to use that in the future.[/QUOTE]
To be frank though, he doesn't quite talk about his team that much...
[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14868794]BTW I'm having a rare post as it's new years day here...I'm in my lovely backyard with my family as I sip a drink and my son and wife splash in the pool.
[/QUOTE]
Hopefully your imaginary friends drowned.
Stacked team and only got two rings out of 4 years while playing in the trashy East….:(
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14837208]At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.
2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)
Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.
Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.
Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps
Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez[/QUOTE]
Bumping my post about the Celtics. I called them being uber stacked right at the start of the season, and if they win the chip, then technically they will be one of the most dominant teams of all time.
It's a shame the Bucks had injuries to Giannis and Dame.
This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.
The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920239]This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.
The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.[/QUOTE]
What brings the Celtics down is that they don't have that bonified superstar who is a top 3 player, but if you look at the roster from top to bottom, they are pretty stacked. Almost unfair to have Porzingis, Holiday, & White as your #3-#5 guys.
LeBron's miami teams #4 and #5 options were a 37 year old Ray Allen & Mario Chalmers, both clearly below Boston's supporting casts in terms of talent.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920239]This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.
The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. [B]Great team but not stacked.[/B][/QUOTE]
:whatever:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920241]What brings the Celtics down is that they don't have that bonified superstar who is a top 3 player, but if you look at the roster from top to bottom, they are pretty stacked. Almost unfair to have Porzingis, Holiday, & White as your #3-#5 guys.
LeBron's miami teams #4 and #5 options were a 37 year old Ray Allen & Mario Chalmers, both clearly below Boston's supporting casts in terms of talent.[/QUOTE] No one is going to have more than three guys play a major role in the offense consistently. In Boston the the big scorers get 20+ and then you see White average 15 and you're wowed but remember that Porzingis misses about a third of the games. When your top scorers have it going you're really just hoping that the rest of your players are efficient and Miami didn't need as much from their nonstars. Tatum is not the unstoppable scorer James was. When he isn't hitting jumpers you can gang up on his drives and make him inefficient. If James' shot is off you might not even know because prime James could not be kept from the basket even by multiple defenders. As strong and athletic as Tatum is James is on a completely different stratosphere as an explosive powerful athlete. And he's only just over the last season trying to play like a point forward while James had been that in high school. The Celtics aren't the result of 3 superstars deciding to team up, they made great trades but none of those guys is a free agent they just got to add on to the superstars they already had.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920248]No one is going to have more than three guys play a major role in the offense consistently. In Boston the the big scorers get 20+ and then you see White average 15 and you're wowed but remember that Porzingis misses about a third of the games. When your top scorers have it going you're really just hoping that the rest of your players are efficient and Miami didn't need as much from their nonstars. Tatum is not the unstoppable scorer James was. When he isn't hitting jumpers you can hang up on his drives and make him inefficient. If James' shot is off you might not even know because prime James could not be kept from the basket even by multiple defenders. As strong and athletic as Tatum is James is on a completely different stratosphere as an explosive powerful athlete. And he's only just over the last season trying to play like a point forward while James had been that in high school. The Celtics aren't the result of 3 superstars deciding to team up, they made great trades but none of those guys is a free agent they just got to add on to the superstars they already had.[/QUOTE]
Is Bosh is a superstar, so is Porzingis lol
[QUOTE=RRR3;14920250]Is Bosh is a superstar, so is Porzingis lol[/QUOTE]
Prime Bosh was a lot luckier with health. If KP stayed healthy he's probably an allstar, possibly AllNBA. Celtics had to win the East without him and may have to go for the last two wins vs Dallas without him. Miami didn't have such a hard time keeping Bosh on the court until after the Heatles broke up.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920254]Prime Bosh was a lot luckier with health. If KP stayed healthy he's probably an allstar, possibly AllNBA. Celtics had to win the East without him and may have to go for the last two wins vs Dallas without him.[B] Miami didn't have such a hard time keeping[/B] [B]Bosh on the court until after the Heatles broke up[/B].[/QUOTE]
Celtics played bums on their way to the Finals and Porzingis dominated game 1 in his limited minutes vs Dallas. And I expect him to continue to play, doctors say it's a pain tolerance thing.
And this is simply false. Bosh missed tons of big games during their 2012 run.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920254]Prime Bosh was a lot luckier with health. If KP stayed healthy he's probably an allstar, possibly AllNBA. Celtics had to win the East without him and may have to go for the last two wins vs Dallas without him. Miami didn't have such a hard time keeping Bosh on the court until after the Heatles broke up.[/QUOTE]
Bosh was hurt for a lot of the 2012 playoffs, including against the Celtics :whatever:
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920239]This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.
The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.[/QUOTE]
Seems true if people were to look at the history of some main guys in that heat team. Wade, for instance, already had a ring and finals mvp in his resume when the trio was formed rt.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920256]Celtics played bums on their way to the Finals and Porzingis dominated game 1 in his limited minutes vs Dallas. And I expect him to continue to play, doctors say it's a pain tolerance thing.[/QUOTE] none of which proves them to be a stacked team.
[Quote]And this is simply false. Bosh missed tons of big games during their 2012 run.[/QUOTE] If this series goes 7 games and KP plays all of them he will have played 10 games to Bosh 14. And what about the other years?
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920262]none of which proves them to be a stacked team.
If this series goes 7 games and KP plays all of them he will have played 10 games to Bosh 14. And what about the other years?[/QUOTE]
What about the other years? How about 2013 when Wade was playing on a bad knee in the playoffs and only averaged 16 ppg in the playoffs.
Your only explanation to why Miami is more stacked is "They teamed up". From top to bottom Boston is more talented, any logical person can see this.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920264]What about the other years? How about 2013 when Wade was playing on a bad knee in the playoffs and only averaged 16 ppg in the playoffs.
Your only explanation to why Miami is more stacked is "They teamed up". From top to bottom Boston is more talented, any logical person can see this.[/QUOTE]
1: I already pointed out how Miami got much more out of Bosh.
2: in 2013 Miami got 3 Allstars. The scoring numbers were not impressive by the standards of today but it was a good supporting cast in the regular season for James. They did fall off in the playoffs but they were ok by the standards of the time.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920270]1: I already pointed out how Miami got much more out of Bosh.
2: in 2013 Miami got 3 Allstars. The scoring numbers were not impressive by the standards of today but it was a good supporting cast in the regular season for James. They did fall off in the playoffs but they were ok by the standards of the time.[/QUOTE]
And the 2015 Hawks had 4 All-stars.
Look, if both teams met in a series all healthy, I would probably go with Miami just because we are talking about peak LeBron with the best cast he ever had going up against a team who's best player hasn't proven he can take over with his scoring in crucial games, but if we are looking at both teams from top to bottom, you cannot tell me with a straight face that Miami is more stacked.
I understand that you are one of the most stubborn users on this forum, but facts are facts. In no world are Bosh, old Allen, Chalmers, & Battier better players than Porzingis, Holiday, White, & old Horford.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920273]And the 2015 Hawks had 4 All-stars.
Look, if both teams met in a series all healthy, I would probably go with Miami just because we are talking about peak LeBron with the best cast he ever had going up against a team who's best player hasn't proven he can take over with his scoring in crucial games, but if we are looking at both teams from top to bottom, you cannot tell me with a straight face that Miami is more stacked.
I understand that you are one of the most stubborn users on this forum, but facts are facts. In no world are Bosh, old Allen, Chalmers, & Battier better players than Porzingis, Holiday, White, & old Horford.[/QUOTE]
Too bad ImKobe wouldn't comprehend any of this tho, will just continue to think that kong played in a 'relatively weak east' and took advantage of it.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920273]And the 2015 Hawks had 4 All-stars.
Look, if both teams met in a series all healthy, I would probably go with Miami just because we are talking about peak LeBron with the best cast he ever had going up against a team who's best player hasn't proven he can take over with his scoring in crucial games, but if we are looking at both teams from top to bottom, you cannot tell me with a straight face that Miami is more stacked.
I understand that you are one of the most stubborn users on this forum, but facts are facts. In no world are Bosh, old Allen, Chalmers, & Battier better players than Porzingis, Holiday, White, & old Horford.[/QUOTE] Flattered that I stand out to you but to me you are just one of a million James stans, likely just another alt. The Hawks had no one on par with James and Wade, everyone knows this. The Celtics, again, have two Allstars and only one AllNBA. That's not just my opinion, that's a factual statement. Never before had a team with only one AllNBA player and no one in the top 5 for mvp voting been labeled as stacked. That's far from the standard.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920284]Flattered that I stand out to you but to me you are just one of a million James stans, likely just another alt. The Hawks had no one on par with James and Wade, everyone knows this. The Celtics, again, have two Allstars and only one AllNBA. That's not just my opinion, that's a factual statement. [B]Never before had a team with only one AllNBA player and no one in the top 5 for mvp voting been labeled as stacked.[/B] That's far from the standard.[/QUOTE]
'89 Pistons.
Hell, they didn't have anyone in the top 15 in the MVP voting, had zero All-NBA players and were still voted as a top 10 team of all time by the NBA in 1996.
Incredibly stacked team that had 3 Hall of famers, guys like Rodman, Vinnie Johnson, & Edwards off the bench.
They were not top heavy, but the depth was all-time great.
This team went toe to toe with Magic & Bird at their peaks and was beating prime MJ year in and year out.
But lets not call them stacked. :oldlol:
You could argue this Celtics team might end up with 3 Hall of famers, Tatum, Brown, & Holiday. While also having borderline all-stars in Porzingis & White as role players. (White got a lot of all-star buzz this year)
That is the definition of stacked.
You are one delusional mf'er. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920285]'89 Pistons.
Hell, they didn't have anyone in the top 15 in the MVP voting, had zero All-NBA players and were still voted as a top 10 team of all time by the NBA in 1996.
Incredibly stacked team that had 3 Hall of famers, guys like Rodman, Vinnie Johnson, & Edwards off the bench.
They were not top heavy, but the depth was all-time great.
This team went toe to toe with Magic & Bird at their peaks and was beating prime MJ year in and year out.
But lets not call them stacked. :oldlol:[/QUOTE] If only great meant the same thing as "stacked. " It doesn't. [QUOTE]You could argue this Celtics team might end up with 3 Hall of famers, Tatum, Brown, & Holiday. While also having borderline all-stars in Porzingis & White as role players. (White got a lot of all-star buzz this year)
That is the definition of stacked.
You are one delusional mf'er. [/QUOTE] So let's apply the HoF=stacked logic to the Heat: James, Wade, Allen, Bosh. That would be 4 Hall of famers vs. The Celtics who as of now have one guy who were sure will be in the Hall, another guy that's likely if he can keep up his current level for a while, and a third guy that could make it but we aren't sure. In spades that would be 2 and a possible. And no one that would be put on the list of 75 greatest players of all time. You didn't think that one through.
1987 lakers vs real faggets wear green
battle of the low iqs
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920288]If only great meant the same thing as "stacked. " It doesn't. [/QUOTE]
They had Rodman & one of the best sixth men of the entire 80's (Vinnie) coming off the bench, not to mention Edwards as an 8th man who would have started on some bad teams, along with 2 hall of famers in the starting lineup AND Laimbeer & Aguirre. I would consider that stacked. Nice try.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920288] So let's apply the HoF=stacked logic to the Heat: James, Wade, Allen, Bosh. That would be 4 Hall of famers vs. The Celtics who as of now have one guy who were sure will be in the Hall, another guy that's likely if he can keep up his current level for a while, and a third guy that could make it but we aren't sure. In spades that would be 2 and a possible. And no one that would be put on the list of 75 greatest players of all time. You didn't think that one through.[/QUOTE]
Ray Allen was 37, what is this trolling shit?
Tatum is a Hall of Fame lock. Brown is getting in if he keeps up this play, especially if he wins FMVP which it looks like he is on his way to. Holiday will also be a lock with his 2 chips and Olympic Gold Medal. You think those guys won't make it after we just saw Michael Cooper make it? Holiday is arguably the best defensive guard of his era who did much more on the court than Cooper did.
You didn't think this through. You are better than this.
2012 Heat if today would be something like:
Jokic
Siakam
Sam Hauser
SGA
Tyus Jones
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14920289]1987 lakers vs real faggets wear green
battle of the low iqs[/QUOTE]
real men wear green actually seems pretty smart, but not when it comes to discussing ball. He tries so hard to come off as he knows his stuff, but falls flat so many times.
Al Horford will make the HOF too btw so Celtics likely eventually have 3-4 HOFers from this team. Porzingis may have if he could have stayed healthy but that’s not happening obviously.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920290]They had Rodman & one of the best sixth men of the entire 80's (Vinnie) coming off the bench, not to mention Edwards as an 8th man who would have started on some bad teams, along with 2 hall of famers in the starting lineup AND Laimbeer & Aguirre. I would consider that stacked. Nice try.[/QUOTE] Not a single one of whom averaged 20 points. You have some kind of emotional damage where it hurts your feelings that the Heat get called stacked. Too bad, they were.
[QUOTE]Ray Allen was 37, what is this trolling shit?[/QUOTE]Ray Allen hit one of the two biggest shots of Lebron James's career. And was still a double-digit scorer of the bench. You would know trolling though.
[Quote]Tatum is a Hall of Fame lock. Brown is getting in if he keeps up this play, especially if he wins FMVP which it looks like he is on his way to. Holiday will also be a lock with his 2 chips and Olympic Gold Medal. You think those guys won't make it after we just saw Michael Cooper make it? Holiday is arguably the best defensive guard of his era who did much more on the court than Cooper did.
You didn't think this through. You are better than this.[/Quote] Which still leaves us at 2 and a possible. Was there a point here?
The Heat had [B][U]THREE[/U][/B] franchise players in their primes - one of whom many of you claim is the GOAT. Not 3, not 4, ... brought to you from a front seat up close in Miami.
[QUOTE=rmt;14920316]The Heat had [B][U]THREE[/U][/B] franchise players in their primes - one of whom many of you claim is the GOAT. Not 3, not 4, ... brought to you from a front seat up close in Miami.[/QUOTE]
name me a team with less ring chasers than the 2011-2014 Heat from the 2000-2010 era
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14920241]What brings the Celtics down is that they don't have that bonified superstar who is a top 3 player, but if you look at the roster from top to bottom, they are pretty stacked. Almost unfair to have Porzingis, Holiday, & White as your #3-#5 guys.
LeBron's miami teams #4 and #5 options were a 37 year old Ray Allen & Mario Chalmers, both clearly below Boston's supporting casts in terms of talent.[/QUOTE]
Saying Allen's age doesn't mean anything when Allen was such a crucial player to the Heat in 2013 and 2014. RMWG already highlighted his clutch three to save Miami in the finals against the Spurs, but let's not forget that Ray in the playoffs with Miami put up 10 PPG in just 25 minutes of action in the playoffs during those years on 59% TS%.
In the finals, he was even better, posting a 64% TS%. I also think having guys like Battier and Birdman helped Miami. They certainly were stacked. Saying the Celtics are stacked doesn't change that.
I also think we'd have to adjust the numbers. In those days, the Heat averaged anywhere from 16 to 22 threes a game. What's guys like Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Chalmers, or Allen's numbers looking like with more spacing and three point spamming at 35-40 attempts per game?
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14920322]Saying Allen's age doesn't mean anything when Allen was such a crucial player to the Heat in 2013 and 2014. RMWG already highlighted his clutch three to save Miami in the finals against the Spurs, but let's not forget that Ray in the playoffs with Miami put up 10 PPG in just 25 minutes of action in the playoffs during those years on 59% TS%.
In the finals, he was even better, posting a 64% TS%. I also think having guys like Battier and Birdman helped Miami. They certainly were stacked. Saying the Celtics are stacked doesn't change that.
I also think we'd have to adjust the numbers. In those days, the Heat averaged anywhere from 16 to 22 threes a game. What's guys like Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Chalmers, or Allen's numbers looking like with more spacing and three point spamming at 35-40 attempts per game?[/QUOTE]
Long story short, many believed that heat team from that era could have done better due to the hype they had bt. They didn't feel as cohesive as the dub dynasty that started in 2015 and therefore, some people probably couldn't help but feel that they 'underachieved.'
[QUOTE=Axe;14920327]Long story short, many believed that heat team from that era could have done better due to the hype they had bt. They didn't feel as cohesive as the dub dynasty that started in 2015 and therefore, some people probably couldn't help but feel that they 'underachieved.'[/QUOTE]
you can't win championships and not be cohesive or underachieve, people probably have difficulty in comprehending how players of the same age group (draft class) ended up having different ambition in professional sports.
Prime Joel Anthony wouldn't even make a 12 man roster in today's NBA, neither would Chalmers
[QUOTE=Axe;14920327]Long story short, many believed that heat team from that era could have done better due to the hype they had bt. They didn't feel as cohesive as the dub dynasty that started in 2015 and therefore, some people probably couldn't help but feel that they 'underachieved.'[/QUOTE]
Yea, I agree with this.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14920330]Prime Joel Anthony wouldn't even make a 12 man roster in today's NBA, neither would Chalmers[/QUOTE]
Chalmers definitely would've. He was a decent role player. Way more talented than like Derek Fisher or something.
[video=youtube_share;cfEilVwiv_A]https://youtu.be/cfEilVwiv_A?si=kwbdWoqdsdUYOg1_[/video]
Joel would be a bench scrub but when you sign 2 MVP talents and an All NBA talent all on max deals there's not gonna be much money left over.
They still ended up getting Birdman, Battier, and Ray who all played absolutely amazing for them in the playoffs.
This thread is one of the worst revisionist histories of all time.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14920309]Not a single one of whom averaged 20 points. You have some kind of emotional damage where it hurts your feelings that the Heat get called stacked. Too bad, they were.
Ray Allen hit one of the two biggest shots of Lebron James's career. And was still a double-digit scorer of the bench. You would know trolling though.
Which still leaves us at 2 and a possible. Was there a point here?[/QUOTE]
Not a single of them averaged 20 ppg, but you went ahead and mentioned a 37 year old Ray Allen who averaged like 11 PPG. :oldlol:
He was obviously a key contributor, but the way you went and said Miami had 4 hall of famers like Ray Allen was in his prime is pretty shameless.
And no, it leaves us at 3.
One of the many reasons I crap on Shaq as an all-timer is you look at his Miami team and you look at Bron's Miami and it's embarrassing to see how much talent was on that roster.
Shaq won a single tainted ring with three vet MVP level guys (Payton, and Mourning) along with a young core of Walker, Williams, Wade, and Haslem.
Everyone acts like Bosh was an all-time great...he was good and valuable but he doesn't make an All-Star team if he's playing in the West.
If I sat down and really went into every season Lebron's Miami team...might be a top 30 team of all-time