This gamewinner was something else.
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This gamewinner was something else.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14870073]MVP Jokic with 34/9/10 and the buzzer beating 3. :bowdown:
Curry blowing an 18 point lead :roll:[/QUOTE]
The guy couldn’t even get himself the triple double…. And he was clearly too gassed at the end of the game. If he got into shape he might be good.
I was about to go take a shit to get ready for OT but Jokic had other plans!
[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14870076]The guy couldn’t even get himself the triple double…. And he was clearly too gassed at the end of the game. If he got into shape he might be good.[/QUOTE]
He's no Jordan Clarkson that's for sure.
wtf they just mentioned his shooting stats over the last 4 games...39 made and 5 missed. :biggums::biggums::biggums:
So. In the last 5 games:
47 shots made on 53 attempts. That is 6 missed shots in 5 games. 88.7% from the field. 4 out of 4 three pointers which is... like 100%. And since the 20th of December he missed 1 free throw. Made 36 or 37 something like that. It's hard playing a more efficient bunch of games.
He needs to get into shape though.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14870093]So. In the last 5 games:
47 shots made on 53 attempts. That is 6 missed shots in 5 games. 88.7% from the field. 4 out of 4 three pointers which is... like 100%. And since the 20th of December he missed 1 free throw. Made 36 or 37 something like that. It's hard playing a more efficient bunch of games.
He needs to get into shape though.[/QUOTE]
Clearly not Jordan Clarkson.
Couldn't be in better shape
I missed the game. This is the 1st game this season I missed. By the box score:
Someone had 16 assists in 24 minutes? And took 3 shots? Looks like a serious stamina issue, LOL.
(If anyone saw the game: What happened?)
Edit: 5 blocks as well? In 24 minutes? Something is not right.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14871696]I missed the game. This is the 1st game this season I missed. By the box score:
Someone had 16 assists in 24 minutes? And took 3 shots? Looks like a serious stamina issue, LOL.
(If anyone saw the game: What happened?)
Edit: 5 blocks as well? In 24 minutes? Something is not right.[/QUOTE]
It was one of those games where he simply refused to shoot. It happens from time to time, typically against weaker teams. And other guys were hitting their shots, hence the 16 assists by middle of the third.
Then Joker complained that he was pushed from behind by two hands, causing him to fumble a pass. Because he complained, the refs gave him a flopping T. I’m still trying to wrap my head around that one. If that was a flop, they should call about 100 in every game. It looked clear that Joker was going to get himself a second T, but D.Jordan pulled him away. Immediately thereafter, the refs called Joker for an off the ball foul for a push that was clearly less than how he had been pushed. It was his fourth, and strikes me as a deliberate call to force him to sit.
The bench took care of business, expanding the lead to 23, and he never had to come back in. (This sort of thing would never happen with Embid. He feasts on these awful teams, and then needs to nurse a minor injury when they face a tough team. Of all his missed games this season, only one has been against a sub-500 team.)
^^ Thank you. :cheers:
On the Embiid related observation: it is absolutely clear but on the one hand I don't want to sound like a hater and I actually want Embiid to succeed (and not doing this kind of thing would be a great start) and on the other hand in the playoffs there is no place to hide. If you don't play it's a bit worse than if you are playing subpar. We shall see what happens. If Nick Nurse can't make the 76ers to reach at least the Conference Finals, it's time to give up on Joel and arrive at the conclusion he simply doesn't have 'it'. The league would be a lot more interesting if he turned it around. I'd really like to see a 76ers-Nuggets Finals.
(On another note: Jokic was ejected in Detroit for I don't know what and if it happened again...)
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14872115]^^ Thank you. :cheers:
On the Embiid related observation: it is absolutely clear but on the one hand I don't want to sound like a hater and I actually want Embiid to succeed (and not doing this kind of thing would be a great start) and on the other hand in the playoffs there is no place to hide. If you don't play it's a bit worse than if you are playing subpar. We shall see what happens. If Nick Nurse can't make the 76ers to reach at least the Conference Finals, it's time to give up on Joel and arrive at the conclusion he simply doesn't have 'it'. The league would be a lot more interesting if he turned it around. I'd really like to see a 76ers-Nuggets Finals.
(On another note: Jokic was ejected in Detroit for I don't know what and if it happened again...)[/QUOTE]
Completely agree on Embid. It would be great if he started regularly playing the tougher competition and upped his game so that they could move on deeper in the playoffs. And yeah, I’d love to see a Denver/Philly matchup (more so than Boston, Milwaukee or Miami).
[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14872586]Completely agree on Embid. It would be great if he started regularly playing the tougher competition and upped his game so that they could move on deeper in the playoffs. And yeah, I’d love to see a Denver/Philly matchup (more so than Boston, Milwaukee or Miami).[/QUOTE]
DeAndre Jordan is still a lot better than his playing time would make you think. Out of curiosity, I'd experiment having him and Jokic in the lineup at the same time. It may lead to better defense if the other team has two bigs or one very good big. When I saw DeAndre play he didn't really disappoint.
Some real nice passing tonight. Making it look easy.
[video=youtube;iHDxP6RmOc4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHDxP6RmOc4[/video]
I'd rate today's performance: An efficient day at the office.
Triple double and the win. 11/17 from the field, 4/4 from the FT line, 10 rebounds, 14 assists.
He is shooting 73% in his [B]last 5 games.[/B] 4 of 5 on 3 pointers and 23/25 from the line (80% and 92%, respectively.)
Not his best game still, but slowly returning to where he was to start the season which is insanity territory. One other thing worth mentioning: he missed only 1 game all year. That's what you want from your star player. Being the most valuable is also being available.
Sombor double today. 49th of his career. It's like the 6th or 7th this season. So it is either a triple double (of which he has 12) or a Sombor double every other night.
25/12/9 but came with 7 TOs. On the other hand: 12/13 from the field. I took a look at the last 9 games.
Since the 20th of December: 81% from the field, 85 of 105. 75% on 3 pointers, 6 of 8. 85% on FTs, 28 of 33. That is 'only' 20 ppg (179 points in 9 meetings) but on crazy efficiency. In this period he averaged 8.6 assists to go with the 20 points. He played 40 games out of 41.
Jokic was struggling with his shooting to start the season but it looks like the change in the calendar has done him some good. This month his TS is 80.4%.:bowdown:
[QUOTE=tontoz;14874049]Jokic was struggling with his shooting to start the season but it looks like the change in the calendar has done him some good. This month his TS is 80.4%.:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
I know where you are coming from so just for a bit more clarity: At the start of the season he was great. In his 1st 10 games he was 120 of 198 at 60.6% His troubles started mid November and he had a series of awful games late November and especially early December. That's where his shooting averages went all the way down. He had a 4 game stretch when he went 6 of 29 from behind the 3 point line and two consecutive game where he was 18 of 58 from the field. A very uncharacteristic 32 and 26 shots in back to back games, and 7 and 8 three pointers attempted in consecutive games.
So he had a rough 3-4 week stretch with only a couple of good games shooting. Interestingly, when all that happened his assists and rebounding exceeded his season average. So even when he played bad he wasn't really bad.
I'd say he's played himself into shape but I've been told he couldn't possibly be in better shape
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14874058]I'd say he's played himself into shape but I've been told he couldn't possibly be in better shape[/QUOTE]
He seemed to be in good enough shape to start the season. You may have a point though because when Murray went down Jokic was still elite for a couple of games but fatigue definitely showed at the tail end of Jamal's absence. And in January he usage is clearly down, so he is visibly more efficient when doing less (it usually is the case with players who don't need the ball all the time to perform). He will never be in 'shape' like some other players or at least won't show it. His game is not really centered around athleticism, LOL. I guess that bad month could be more attributed to mental fatigue but of course I don't have the information so it is just guessing.
However, playing 40 games out of 41 with 25/12/9 on 58% shooting and 33 minutes per game is not bad conditioning. He can do what he does every night as far as his stamina is concerned. How many stars do we have on an 80 games played per season pace? I don't know the answer but it must be a really low number.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14874052]He had a 4 game stretch when he went 6 of 29 from behind the 3 point line and two consecutive game where he was 18 of 58 from the field. A very uncharacteristic 32 and 26 shots in back to back games, and 7 and 8 three pointers attempted in consecutive games. [/QUOTE]
I just deleted those 2 really bad shooting nights on high volume and those 4 games with the insane amount of threes. If those didn't exist, he would be at 61% shooting for the season and 40% on three pointers. Of course those games did exist, so it is just mental gymnastics but it clearly shows how much those few games count in terms of overall percentages and what you expect on a regular night. (10 made baskets on 60% FG, 10 rebounds and 10 assists, basically.)
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14874073]I just deleted those 2 really bad shooting nights on high volume and those 4 games with the insane amount of threes. If those didn't exist, he would be at 61% shooting for the season and 40% on three pointers. Of course those games did exist, so it is just mental gymnastics but it clearly shows how much those few games count in terms of overall percentages and what you expect on a regular night. (10 made baskets on 60% FG, 10 rebounds and 10 assists, basically.)[/QUOTE]
It’s funny that we care but Joker doesn’t seem to care one bit. If you simply eliminated the two BS ejections from his games played, it would boost his averages considerably. It’s also worth noting that yesterday he was forced to sit for six minutes because the little ref had it in for both him and Jordan. At least 2 of Joker’s first three fouls were horrible calls, and it was worse with Jordan.
Anyway, Joker had a few games where he seemed determined to hoist threes until he made one. He’s not doing that now. He seems back to taking whatever the game gives him. There have been a few times when it seems like he’s forcing the passing when he has open looks, but I much prefer that to forcing the shot that’s not really there.
[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14874389]Anyway, Joker had a few games where he seemed determined to hoist threes until he made one. He’s not doing that now. He seems back to taking whatever the game gives him. There have been a few times when it seems like he’s forcing the passing when he has open looks, but I much prefer that to forcing the shot that’s not really there.[/QUOTE]
When he took lots of threes most of the time he was wide open. Just missed. I think he got angry with himself and wanted to make the next one.. and the next... and missed everything. As for him forcing the passing: I don't mind when the team is up big. When he should shoot more is nobody is hitting and they are down. He can score at a higher efficiency than anyone else so he should take more shots. He makes 10 a game but that could easily be 13 if he took 5 more shots. Plus 2-3 more FTs on average. That is an added 8 points to the team total and off of those 'he passed instead' plays thy don't get more than 3 points on average. I think Denver would've 3-4 more wins (and 3-4 less losses, obv.) if Jokic had been more aggressive with his shots. This effect we see every playoffs when he starts doing more. As long as they do not have HCA in the reg. season I think he should be playing some playoff basketball here and there.
Not enough huffpuffing tonight. 25 points and 19 boards. Looks nice, wasn't that nice. 11 boards look nice on paper but in reality it felt more like 5-6 offensive boards. Collecting your own miss 2-3 times on several occasions is still only 2 points. 11/20 from the field was 11/18 until the last two minutes when the two deseperation three point attempts were made. One of the two could've gone in. Wouldn't have changed the result.
The Nuggets have to work on their offensive planning because if Jokic is stopped as a playmaker (as he was tonight) the don't have much left. In the 1st half they were hitting everything but as they cooled off they had no backup plan.
Jokic is rarely outplayed on the court: tonight he was. I hope he can return the favor 10 days from now when they face the 76ers again, that time in Denver.
It was a nice game but a game the team needs to learn from.
Better luck this time. Another Sombor double. 34/12/9. At one point he was 14/18 from the field but had to put up impossible shots late in the shotclock that missed. Still a respectable 64% from the field and 50% from 3 without a missed FT.
The game was close. The Nuggets were a two man team today. Murray and Jokic were great the others didn't really show up. Boston is very tough to beat. Neither Brown nor Tatum played really well and the team still almost won the game.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14875935]Better luck this time. Another Sombor double. 34/12/9. At one point he was 14/18 from the field but had to put up impossible shots late in the shotclock that missed. Still a respectable 64% from the field and 50% from 3 without a missed FT.
The game was close. The Nuggets were a two man team today. Murray and Jokic were great the others didn't really show up. Boston is very tough to beat. Neither Brown nor Tatum played really well and the team still almost won the game.[/QUOTE]
They should be even better. When it came to the end, they didn’t have an offensive set they could rely on, so it was just Tatum in iso. That’s ok for the regular season ordinarily, but it will have problems in the playoffs. I don’t see why they could not be running a more sophisticated offense, but they seem content to stand around and hoist threes. On D, Horford and Porzingas can’t handle Joker. Horford was great against Embiid last year in playoffs. But I think Embiid may have improved his game enough to cause them real problems in a series. Will be interesting to see. Bam is also a problem for them.
NJ Huffinpuff had a workmanlike 42, 12 and 8 on 15 of 20 from the field. Just another day at the office. The Wizards are very dreadful.
[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14876398]NJ Huffinpuff had a workmanlike 42, 12 and 8 on 15 of 20 from the field. Just another day at the office. The Wizards are very dreadful.[/QUOTE]
And he isn't playing for stats. What if he did? For a stretch of 15 games just for fun? We will never know.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14876407]And he isn't playing for stats. What if he did? For a stretch of 15 games just for fun? We will never know.[/QUOTE]
glad he isn't playing for stats. That's the beauty of what he does. Other can have their triple doubles and empty stats and he'll continue to make winning plays
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14876428]glad he isn't playing for stats. That's the beauty of what he does. Other can have their triple doubles and empty stats and he'll continue to make winning plays[/QUOTE]
I'm glad he isn't playing for stats but I'd like to see what happened if he did. No, what I've just said doesn't make any sense. A part of me wants him to show the 'rest of the world' that he could do this and that if he wanted. Yes, it'd ake him a worse player so I'd be happy with a stretch of games. Like when Bird decided to play a game when he took all te shots left handed. Why? He just wanted to show he could. When MJ shot a FT with his eyes closed. Something like that. Some 40/20 games, I don't know. Something just for showing off. And the other side of me wants none of that childish stuff.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14876451]I'm glad he isn't playing for stats but I'd like to see what happened if he did. No, what I've just said doesn't make any sense. A part of me wants him to show the 'rest of the world' that he could do this and that if he wanted. Yes, it'd ake him a worse player so I'd be happy with a stretch of games. Like when Bird decided to play a game when he took all te shots left handed. Why? He just wanted to show he could. When MJ shot a FT with his eyes closed. Something like that. Some 40/20 games, I don't know. Something just for showing off. And the other side of me wants none of that childish stuff.[/QUOTE]
and MJ played pg and put up triple doubles nightly. I'm pretty convinced Jokic can do pretty much whatever he likes at the offensive end. No need to prove anything to me. What he does is more impressive than what the iso/triple double seekers do to me
End of the 3rd quarter against Portland in Denver. Triple double already but a huge one: 21 points 20 rebounds 10 assists. He should have like 15 assists again, the team is missing easy shots. Jokic is a +20 in the game on 8 of 11 shooting, 4/4 from the FT line and made a three pointer and has 2 blocks. It is a relatively close game so there is more to come.
Ayton played 20 minutes and has one (1) rebound. I'm not sure why Ayton is still in the league.
Finished with 27/22/12
Getting into shape. Slowly but surely.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14881008]Finished with 27/22/12
Getting into shape. Slowly but surely.[/QUOTE]
Could easily have been 20 assists. With 2 blocks and a steal (though I thought he had more steals - seems like it’s tough to get credit for those). Also, the second quarter showed clearly just how much his presence helps to clog up the lane and deters drives. He is now very underrated as a defender.
And he picked up another huge scratch on his back. Does anyone else have these besides him and Curry?
Subpar game tonight with 29 8 and 7 and 2 steals. Nuggets seem to think that they can coast for the first three quarters, and then turn it on in the fourth to secure a win. And mostly that’s worked for them, but it can be frustrating to watch.
At least Peyton Watson showed that he was in shape tonight. Amazing game for him, and he seems to be improving every game. Also nice to see Braun play well.
[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14881577]Subpar game tonight with 29 8 and 7 and 2 steals. Nuggets seem to think that they can coast for the first three quarters, and then turn it on in the fourth to secure a win. And mostly that’s worked for them, but it can be frustrating to watch.
At least Peyton Watson showed that he was in shape tonight. Amazing game for him, and he seems to be improving every game. Also nice to see Braun play well.[/QUOTE]
The Nuggets looked like a team that was resting and on vacation in the first 3 quarters. Jokic played okay but didn't seem motivated. I guess it's a win.
A very tough 3 game road trip is next. The Lakers fight for the playoffs, the Kings are a good team in general and Sabonis is not an easy matchup. And then on the way to play the Bucks again who most definitely want to prove something in the rematch. If the Nuggets want home-court this road trip is the key along with winning at least two times against the Wolves and beating the Clippers early April. And they still have to hope OKC is losing a few easy games. Dropping all 3 games against the Thunder was a blunder that may cost them dearly in the playoffs.
A quiet Sombor double against the Lakers who played some great defense. Huffing and puffing was alright but nothing really special. Six turnovers, half of which were dumb. 24/13/9 and only on 9 of 20 shooting. Of those 11 misses at least 3 but I think 4 were blocked shots. It was a quiet day at the office with season averages but also some pretty good defense both played and played against. I guess it's a win and not much else.
I think home court advantage will be important and the chance of having that in the West is being largely decided by this road trip the Nuggets are on. Two more away games: Sacramento and Milwaukee. Big games.
Last night, he had a nearly perfect triple double with 21-19-15 on 10 for 10 shooting. Unfortunately, he was only 1 for 2 from the line. He needs to work on that to boost his efficiency. His true shooting was only 96.5%.
And in the all-star game he had the largest number of entertaining moments - the fake tomahawk jam; the failed dunk to close the game; complaining to the ref after Bam inbounded off his back; and the passing drill with Luka finishing with the no look dish to Shai. He was living up to his nickname.
A quiet 29-15-14 on 12 of 17 shooting. But to be fair, it was the tail end of a back to back. Star of this game was MPJ. And Gillespie had a surprisingly good night as well.
Rolling into shape at the right time. By the playoffs he may be good.
couldn't possibly be in better shape!