"Greatest Act of Brand Suicide" - How Disney Lost $200 Billion

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14858709]Those who honestly and truthfully desire to know Trump's thoughts are on Truth Social reading them.

The pretenders who just want to whine and complain about free speech and "own libs" are on X doing that now. There are more people consumed in the tribalism of it all than those who actually desire Trump's thoughts. I suspect you are just that. You don't care what Trump is typing up right now, you just want to cry and complain because you have nothing better to do today. That's most of society in a nutshell.[/QUOTE]

Wow, this is quite the big brained take.

So when conservatives talk about the fact that they are being silenced on mainstream social media platforms, that constitutes as whining? They shouldn't be rightly upset over that fact?

It's a bad thing that Musk took over and gave both sides a voice?

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14858655]As far as decentralizing, I dont think he’s looking to turn twitter into the dark web. I think he just wants a conventional social media platform where people can express social/political ideas that might otherwise be censored at the behest of profit driven sponsors.

If someone wants to say “well its not free speech now either, he banned someone who called for him to be murdered!” or whatever random example… thats fine. Im not saying it is, or purports to be a completely unfiltered space for dubious, borderline speech.

Im saying it’s just his vision of preventing a significant portion of the social/political spectrum from being pushed off mainstream social media. I believe that was the entire crux of his purchase. I dont think he wants the public pendulum to swing too far in one direction.[/QUOTE]

Twitter is not doing all that great anyways. It's slowly falling in active users since elon took over.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14858712]Wow, this is quite the big brained take.

So when conservatives talk about the fact that they are being silenced on mainstream social media platforms, that constitutes as whining? They shouldn't be rightly upset over that fact?

It's a bad thing that Musk took over and gave both sides a voice?[/QUOTE]

I'm saying the right already had a voice pre-Musk. A very loud voice. All the same silly right wing takes that are found on X right now were also readily found on Twitter. Nothing new has been exposed.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14858744][B]I'm saying the right already had a voice pre-Musk. A very loud voice.[/B] All the same silly right wing takes that are found on X right now were also readily found on Twitter. Nothing new has been exposed.[/QUOTE]

But we established that they were being penalized and suppressed for using that voice.

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[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14857158]Disney was always going to struggle with the inevitable change in social demographics.

Their bread and butter as a brand was to be an entertainment staple for middle class families. From the 50s to the 90s that was a great strategy.

[B]Today, the middle class is proportionally shrinking, and those who are middle class are having fewer children.[/B]

Same reason Toys R Us went out of business, and family restaurants like Applebees and Fridays have struggled. The market has simply evolved away from for what they offer.

Disney going woke isnt really what caused their predicament. They went woke as a way to try to mitigate the effects of demographic change on their business. It just turns out the woke audience is unable or unwilling to support them financially, while their conventional audience is inevitably shrinking.

They just dont have a viable market right now for what Disney traditionally offers.[/QUOTE]

What you're saying in the bolded is true but I feel like that's been the case for some time, definitely prior to the box office returns falling off a cliff. Something like Frozen made 1.28 billion globally....that was 2013, really not that long ago. Moana in 2016 made nearly 700 million. The MCU up till Endgame in 2019 was the most financially successful series in film history. It seems like since covid they pivoted to building stories around identity politics, coupled with Disney+ being far less successful than they anticipated...and it's been a death by a thousand cuts scenario. The parks are also struggling as a knock-on effect of being unable to create new compelling characters that draw kids/families, and they've done nothing with their legacy characters going back to their animation heyday. But the name Disney, as recently as 4-5 years, wasn't the trainwreck it is now.

I don't know what woke even means anymore

[QUOTE=Street Hunger;14859372]I don't know what woke even means anymore[/QUOTE]

Wokism is the religious belief that all of modern society's ills are a byproduct of being ruled by an evil white patriarchy.

The woke are divided into two groups, victims and allies. Victims are the superior class, allies are the peasant class. Allies are obligated to support and protect victims at all times no matter the circumstances. As a rule of thumb, any victim who ranks higher on the oppression totem pole can revoke another victim's status at any time and demote them to ally.

The only group of allies that are ineligible for victim status are straight white males.

Then it seems like wokeism and the word woke should be used kind of separately. Because woke is him seems to now have a clear meaning as a certain way of thinking, whereas the average person who used to mention that we should all stay awoke was really just trying to raise awareness about racial inequalities or something

Like whatever woke and woke is a means now, I don't think that's how it started. It started is just people just telling other people to stay aware of any qualities or something

I don't know.

You know what I do know is, if there is a specific problem though, it is better to name the specific problem and come up with a practical solution. Then to speak in generalized terms. Maybe

All I know is the phrase "stay woke" somehow got taken and transformed into some other whole huge massive thing that has sort of rendered the original phrase meaningless at this point I guess

For example, if Disney did some bad stuff, it is more useful to just name the very specific things Disney did wrong, and to say what was wrong about those things.

Because then people of all opinions at least know they're talking about the same thing

Keep in mind this isn't me defending disney. I literally don't even know exactly what Disney did. I have to read. I'm just talking about how to even discuss a problem

You are spot on. Conservatives ruin everything and understand very little...

If the lead in a movie or show is anything other than a straight white male it's woke AF.

Unless that straight white dude is married to a sista, then it's super woke.

[QUOTE=Street Hunger;14859405]For example, if Disney did some bad stuff, it is more useful to just name the very specific things Disney did wrong, and to say what was wrong about those things.

Because then people of all opinions at least know they're talking about the same thing

Keep in mind this isn't me defending disney. I literally don't even know exactly what Disney did. I have to read. I'm just talking about how to even discuss a problem[/QUOTE]

Disney have declared themselves woke allies and have become outright hostile towards their own history and their own core audience.

The idea of a little girl wanting to be a princess and marry a strong man repulses them. Almost as much as a strong, dominant white male saving the day and getting the girl.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14859430]If the lead in a movie or show is anything other than a straight white male it's woke AF.

Unless that straight white dude is married to a sista, then it's super woke.[/QUOTE]

No, woke AF is casting Snow [B]White[/B] with a brown actress.

[QUOTE=Street Hunger;14859403]All I know is the phrase "stay woke" somehow got taken and transformed into some other whole huge massive thing that has sort of rendered the original phrase meaningless at this point I guess[/QUOTE]

It didn't get transformed into anything. Lefties were using the word themselves to describe certain things. You were woke if you believed in reparations for black people. You were woke if you believed in the gender spectrum.

Conservatives haven't changed the definition of anything. What they refer to as woke, conservatives also refer to as woke. The only problem is that now the word is associated with being retarded instead of being a genius. :oldlol:

Remember when DeSantis was gonna ride his way into the White House based on his battle with woke Disney?

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHA!

Woke used to be what the “red pill exit the matrix” shit is now.

Woke was new age conspiracy culture. David Icke shit. Waking up out of the matrix.

But like with anything the term is loaded and been co-opted.

Disney stock surges today, higher than it's been over a year. Profits and earnings defying what most thought.

Disney announces they bought part of Epic Games and will help them make the next Fortnite game.

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14882692]Disney stock surges today, higher than it's been over a year. Profits and earnings defying what most thought.

Disney announces they bought part of Epic Games and will help them make the next Fortnite game.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
congrats man i hope disney succeeding makes you less of a pathetic loser

good luck with that

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14882692]Disney stock surges today, higher than it's been over a year. Profits and earnings defying what most thought.

Disney announces they bought part of Epic Games and will help them make the next Fortnite game.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Disney is actually trading lower now than it was in 2015. When you consider how much inflation has been pumped into the market since that time, that's really bad. By contrast, other blue chips like McDonalds, Microsoft, Amazon are all trading way higher than they were in 2015.

Wokeness is definitely a part of that, there are also other unavoidable market factors involved. But celebrating a recent short term spike in comparison to their stagnant 10 year trend is really just lipstick on a pig. Not that you care about the substance of any of this, I know trying to one-up the anti-woke crowd is kind of how you enjoy yourself. Made easier by the fact you dont seem to realize how often your arguments are simply bad or wrong, nor do you even seem to care as long as you rattled the cages. Which is just weird that youre so invested into specifically antagonizing other ISH posters over issues you really dont even care about. But that's always been the Jizzo M.O. To obsess over the 'social scene' of Insidehoops.com.

I dunno. Bless your heart I guess.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14882710] nor do you even seem to care as long as you rattled the cages. Which is just weird that youre so invested into specifically antagonizing other ISH posters over issues you really dont even care about..
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This entire thread is a jab at the left, posters celebrating the supposed downfall of Disney, but I am the weird one for jabbing back?

I'm not making any threads in here. But half the threads in this forum are the same right wing dolts trying to do what you accuse me of right now.

For Chewing, figuring out which angle he can try and stick it to the left and make a thread about it is his every day life, do you think he is weird also? Or just me?

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"But, Disney is just fine". :oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14882850]
"But, Disney is just fine". :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/08/disney-pops-6percent-in-premarket-after-epic-games-eras-tour-announcements.html[/url]

They are better than fine.

They just bought a stake in the next Fortnite game and not only that, but they teamed up with FOX and Warner to create an all-in-one sports streaming app.

Time for Apple to purchase Disney

And it gets better. Trump just endorsed Bud Light :roll:

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14882873]And it gets better. Trump just endorsed Bud Light :roll:[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/squashing-the-bud-light-beef-are-boycotters-ready-to-embrace-trump-s-call-to-forgive-the-brand/vi-BB1i2qgr[/url]

Some seems to go with Trump and some are sticking to it. Eh. It's a free country. :ohwell:

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14882834][B]This entire thread is a jab at the left, posters celebrating the supposed downfall of Disney, but I am the weird one for jabbing back?
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I'm not making any threads in here. But half the threads in this forum are the same right wing dolts trying to do what you accuse me of right now.

For Chewing, figuring out which angle he can try and stick it to the left and make a thread about it is his every day life, do you think he is weird also? Or just me?[/QUOTE]

We're celebrating the fall of Disney because they're vandalizing and poisoning our culture. We actually care about these things. Yes sometimes that comes with trolling lefties, but that's because you guys are complicit in this.

You're just standing up for Disney because you want to troll right wingers. No greater principle.

DISNEY as a historical American brand, never poisoned western culture until the last decade or two.

Even well after sickos took over, they very slowly waited to show their real hand, and have only recently proceeded with attempts to pollute the minds of children with their sick norms, that other humans almost all find repulsive and disgusting and contrary to all the historical tradition of all but a very small group (who has owned Disney in this aforementioned time period)

So we don’t want Disney to die, we want their pirate ownership to dry up and blow away, or STFU and keep their mental illness out of widely distributed pop culture.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14882834]This entire thread is a jab at the left, posters celebrating the supposed downfall of Disney, but I am the weird one for jabbing back?

I'm not making any threads in here. But half the threads in this forum are the same right wing dolts trying to do what you accuse me of right now.

For Chewing, figuring out which angle he can try and stick it to the left and make a thread about it is his every day life, do you think he is weird also? Or just me?[/QUOTE]

Yeah but usually people make these threads, regardless of whether or not their assessment is correct at a given time, out of genuine concern for the social issue the topic represents. I'm not convinced you actually care about or believe many of the defenses you give in these endless back and forths, but rather are purely in it for the sake of leading other ISHers on in arguments because you somehow enjoy it. But youre right, there are times when people on both sides do it more as a sport, or a way to cope with boredom, than as a meaningful attempt to discuss a topic. Tho I do think youre the one who does it most often just out of pure "this will be funny if I keep rebutting him over and over" kind of thing.

Anyway, whatever. I dont care. MY shortcoming is continuously opening these threads out of pure neural habit, and allowing myself to keep giving responses to things I know objectively are a waste of my time. So, we all have our flaws.

[QUOTE=BarberSchool;14882975]DISNEY as a historical American brand, never poisoned western culture until the last decade or two.

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The last decade or two? The company known for publishing political propaganda and racist material since it's inception...Really?

You people are completely lost in this nonsense. It's embarrassing.

Had 10 shares of Disney at $85. Sold at $108. Profit. Second time I did that in a year.

Next time it dips under $90, buying again.