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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]
It's even wierder that so many sheep like you exist and believe every piece of propaganda thrown their way without questioning anything for even a millisecond.
[QUOTE=Wardell Curry;14883178]I'm not particularly educated. But here's my take. I doubt it's as simple as "Putin = bad" and I also doubt it's as simple as "nato is on our doorstep and we've warned you for years" also.
Two reasons.
1) Nato is already on Russia's borders.
2) If Russia takes all of Ukraine and Ukraine ceases to exist and is just Russia now and everyone leaves it at that. Guess what? NATO is still on Russia's border. In fact, even more than it already is.
So what's really going on here? I can tell you one thing, I very much doubt it's going to be found in this thread as people spout off nonsensical talking points from their favorite political commentators.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Finland join nato too after Russia invaded Ukraine? Sweden is also on the verge of joining last I checked. Nato is actually getting larger so putin didn't help his case.
This is why putin needs trump to win the election so Trump can return to trying to take apart nato and trashing it every chance he gets. Without that, nato will continue to get stronger and add more countries.
[QUOTE=tpols;14883202]It's even wierder that so many sheep like you exist and believe every piece of propaganda thrown their way without questioning anything for even a millisecond.[/QUOTE]
So being a fan of the guy that eliminated free elections in Russia and currently is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths plus the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Ukrainian children just for fun... liking this guy makes you a deep thinker?
It's like you miss being called a stupid asshole.
[QUOTE=tpols;14883202]It's even wierder that so many sheep like you exist and believe every piece of propaganda thrown their way without questioning anything for even a millisecond.[/QUOTE]
I mean, you folks also fall for the right's propaganda as well. :ohwell:
[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14883211]I mean, you folks also fall for the right's propaganda as well. :ohwell:[/QUOTE]
I like to hear both sides and come to an individual conclusion.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14883208]So being a fan of the guy that eliminated free elections in Russia and currently is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths plus the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Ukrainian children just for fun... liking this guy makes you a deep thinker?
It's like you miss being called a stupid asshole.[/QUOTE]
I don't "like" Putin. I've literally never followed or endorsed him in any way. But I do like to hear both sides of the story and not just just American and European propaganda which is obviously tilted as all hell.
Like I said before though... youre an idiot that only follows one side in this geo politic discussion. Any story from the other side you immediately dismiss and use buzz words like dictator and nazi ad hominems as your justification for plugging your fat little fingers in your ears.
I'm not into that.
[QUOTE=tpols;14883218]I don't "like" Putin. I've literally never followed or endorsed him in any way. But I do like to hear both sides of the story and not just just American and European propaganda which is obviously tilted as all hell.
Like I said before though... youre an idiot that only follows one side in this geo politic discussion. Any story from the other side you immediately dismiss and use buzz words like dictator and nazi ad hominems as your justification for plugging your fat little fingers in your ears.
I'm not into that.[/QUOTE]
What have I said about Putin that isn't true you stupid asshole? Are you saying that he hasn't had his political opponents arrested and killed? Didn't launch the war on Ukraine? Russian elections are free?
You still don't get it. :oldlol:
None of our elections are free. Everything is planned top down. You're too naive and stupid to see that though.
USA military has also killed more people around the world than Russia has and whistle blowers get "suicided" left and right here.
Go ask Eric Snowden what happens when you tell the truth about the USA government, fool. He was a top intelligence agent for our government.
[QUOTE=tpols;14883224]You still don't get it. :oldlol:
None of our elections are free. Everything is planned top down. You're too naive and stupid to see that though.
USA military has also killed more people around the world than Russia has and whistle blowers get "suicided" left and right here.
Go ask Eric Snowden what happens when you tell the truth about the USA government, fool. He was a top intelligence agent for our government.[/QUOTE] Anyone stupid enough that they can't tell the difference between America and Russia should go live there. Joe Biden hasn't had Trump poisoned and can't just lock him up for running against him. Eric Snowden chose to leak classified military intelligence. That's a crime. And that's why Putin, an enemy of the United States, is giving him safe harbor. Every country does dirt, including ours, but Putin's tyranny is on another level regardless of the fact you're too stupid that fact.
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Russia now controls the pro-russia territories in Eastern Ukraine like donbas. What's next if Putin has no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? Will they stop the offensive or will they not stop until the Ukrainian government in Kiev is toppled?[/QUOTE]
i don't know. one can only speculate. you know as well as i do that war is unpredictable and has the potential to escalate in any number of ways, especially a war as protracted as this one with two great nuclear powers involved and both so heavily invested at this point.
if i'm correct in my assessment that russia's primary reason for this war is their seeing nato encroachment as an existential threat, then putin will not be satisfied until the west comes forward with a settlement declaring that ukraine will remain a neutral state and there will be regime change in kiev. in their view, defeat is unacceptable. either that, or ukrainian leaders will take initiative, stand up against western pressure and push for neutralization themselves. the third scenario would involve washington pulling funding & munitions from ukraine and as i mentioned, coming to the table and caving to russia's demands. none of these scenarios look likely to happen. in other words, there's no diplomatic solution to this war in sight.
with that in mind, again, there's the potential for further escalation. with neither side backing down or coming to a peace agreement, we could see us troops on the ground if putin continues to hold the upper hand and push further west. on the other hand, if putin somehow loses that upper hand and gets pushed back into a corner, there's the possibility that he could use nukes as a last resort in order to rescue the situation. you also have the prospect of poland getting involved militarily if putin is forced to continue his offensive, which would officially put russia at war with nato.
so the stakes are high for both sides and thus neither side can afford to lose. this conflict is unique in that two great nuclear powers are involved. if this turns into more than just a proxy war between the west and russia and there's no diplomatic agreement reached, the possibilities can be catastrophic.
[QUOTE=tpols;14883224]You still don't get it. :oldlol:
None of our elections are free. Everything is planned top down. You're too naive and stupid to see that though.
USA military has also killed more people around the world than Russia has and whistle blowers get "suicided" left and right here.
Go ask Eric Snowden what happens when you tell the truth about the USA government, fool. He was a top intelligence agent for our government.[/QUOTE]
None of our elections are free? Could you please explain further?
How are you comparing our elections to Russia's? Putin got 80% of the popular votes in the 2018 election because those two running against him are his supporters :lol
Anyone who wants to campaign in Russia must apply to run with their election board, and the board decides who is allowed to run. They don't allow anyone to run who disagrees with Russian policy. If you have enough support, they find a reason to jail you for years on bogus charges like "extremism" like the dude in 2018. The Russian courts have no power over the election board. It's not a democracy there.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14883242]i don't know. one can only speculate. you know as well as i do that war is unpredictable and has the potential to escalate in any number of ways, especially a war as protracted as this one with two great nuclear powers involved and both so heavily invested at this point.
if i'm correct in my assessment that russia's primary reason for this war is their seeing nato encroachment as an existential threat, then putin will not be satisfied until the west comes forward with a settlement declaring that ukraine will remain a neutral state and there will be regime change in kiev. in their view, defeat is unacceptable. either that, or ukrainian leaders will take initiative, stand up against western pressure and push for neutralization themselves. the third scenario would involve washington pulling funding & munitions from ukraine and as i mentioned, coming to the table and caving to russia's demands. none of these scenarios look likely to happen. in other words, there's no diplomatic solution to this war in sight.
with that in mind, again, there's the potential for further escalation. with neither side backing down or coming to a peace agreement, we could see us troops on the ground if putin continues to hold the upper hand and push further west. on the other hand, if putin somehow loses that upper hand and gets backed into a corner, there's the possibility that he would use nukes as a last resort in order to rescue the situation. you also have the prospect of poland getting involved militarily if putin is forced to continue his offensive.
so the stakes are incredibly high for both sides and thus neither side can afford to lose. this conflict is unique in two nuclear great powers are involved. if this turns into more than just a proxy war between the west and russia and there's no diplomatic agreement reached, the possibilities can be catastrophic.[/QUOTE]
Russia is not doing so great so far. Most expected the war to last a few months. Nobody thought Ukraine would last a couple years with Russia stuck on the outskirts of the nation, holding perhaps 20% of Ukraine at most. I don't see Russia fighting forever if they are unable to take reach Kiev government. As I mentioned above, nato has also gotten larger since the war began so now Russia has even more nato along its borders.
Do you not think the US election could have a big impact on what Russia does depending on who wins?
[QUOTE=bladefd;14883245]Russia is not doing so great so far. Most expected the war to last a few months. Nobody thought Ukraine would last a couple years with Russia stuck on the outskirts of the nation, holding perhaps 20% of Ukraine at most. I don't see Russia fighting forever if they are unable to take reach Kiev government. As I mentioned above, nato has also gotten larger since the war began so now Russia has even more nato along its borders.
Do you not think the US election could have a big impact on what Russia does depending on who wins?[/QUOTE]
putin is moving slowly and deliberately at this point. he has no interest in pushing any further west and having to govern hard-minded ukrainians on the other side of the dnieper. if he takes more territory, it will be kharkov and odessa and if necessary kiev for the sole purpose of regime change.
russia is winning this war and you could make the argument that it's already won - it's more or less achieved it's military objectives. if putin pushes any further west, it won't be for the purpose of occupying territory - it will be to pressure the west into coming to the table. the ukrainian counter offensive is over. there are pregnant women, teenage boys and seventy-year old men hunkered down in defensive positions on the battlefield. russia's economy is humming and can continue on as long as deemed necessary. this is joe biden's war now - the onus is on him.
[QUOTE]Do you not think the US election could have a big impact on what Russia does depending on who wins?[/QUOTE]
trump taking office could only be better for a path to peace. like i said, joe biden and the foreign policy establishment (the globalists), are so heavily invested ideologically, materially and rhetorically that any alternative at this point would be better for all sides involved.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14883244]None of our elections are free? Could you please explain further?[/QUOTE]
You seriously don't see how big money interests, corruption and nepotism determine our "presidents" and political leaders on both sides?
How we have George Bush Sr. win, then his son George Bush Jr. wins, then Bill Clinton wins, then Bill Clinton's wife almost wins, then Obama wins, then Obamas VP wins, and now Obamas wife is running... :lol
I mean... it's just totally absurd. These are all puppets. Every single one of them are blackmailed puppets Trump included.
If you're too naive to see this voting system was directly implemented to give you the illusion of choice I don't know what to tell you. Your naivety is too extreme to break through like RMWG.
I'm just some random stupid asshole though so don't take it from me. :roll:
[QUOTE=tpols;14883253]and now Obamas wife is running... :lol
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So you get that from the same source as Doomsday Dallas?
[URL="https://twitter.com/EricKleefeld/status/1755239492028379558"]
Even your boy Karl Rove doesn't think so.[/URL]
[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14883261]So you get that from the same source as Doomsday Dallas?
[URL="https://twitter.com/EricKleefeld/status/1755239492028379558"]
Even your boy Karl Rove doesn't think so.[/URL][/QUOTE]
I just heard it in passing but... yea way to nitpick away from the general point that nepotism runs this country on both sides Democrat and republican. You didn't address any of the other names all connected. Nice job pal.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14883244]None of our elections are free? Could you please explain further?
[/QUOTE]
He thinks Klaus Schwab runs the entire planet and no one else has any say in anything.
Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?
[QUOTE=jstern;14883369]Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?[/QUOTE]
I would settle for public whipping.
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[QUOTE=jstern;14883369]Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?[/QUOTE]
for simply doing his job as a journalist? absolutely!
Genuinely excellent.
Tuck hitting some hard questions and Putin flexing his knowledge.
Wonder if Zelensky was ever asked even 1 mildly critical question
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]
10 4
tuckers questions were draw up , by non-other - than Putin
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Jasper;14883595]10 4
tuckers questions were draw up , by non-other - than Putin
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
[B]Tucker Carlson's First Discussion Since Putin Interview | World Government Summit 2024 Full Panel[/B]
[video=youtube_share;mMXikZM_O80]https://youtu.be/mMXikZM_O80[/video]
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]
Its weird to see all of these people on the left that have become bloodthirsty fans of the western millitary industrial complex
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14883208]So being a fan of the guy that eliminated free elections in Russia and currently is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths plus the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Ukrainian children just for fun... liking this guy makes you a deep thinker?
It's like you miss being called a stupid asshole.[/QUOTE]
LMAO yeah no doubt Russia was widely known for its "free elections" before Putin came along... Meanwhile back in reality - Yeltsin was the only candidate that was "freely elected" prior to Putin showing up, and claiming that Yeltsin won his votes in anything resembling a "free election" is beyond laughable.
Nobody calls Tpols a stupid asshole, so why would he miss being called this?
[QUOTE=jstern;14883369]Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?[/QUOTE]
It would be hilarious if the USA banned a CIA agent from entering the US for the crime of interviewing a foreign head of state.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14883242]or ukrainian leaders will take initiative, stand up against western pressure and push for neutralization themselves. c.[/QUOTE]
Bro u kinda missing the point that ukraine is also a player in this war, and they kinda want to fight. Why musk and a lot of people asume that west is pushing them to frontline with guns put to their head, when given history of humans u will always find motivated guys ready to fight against invader.
[QUOTE=CeltsGarlic;14884278]Bro u kinda missing the point that Ukraine is also a player in this war, and they kinda want to fight. Why musk and a lot of people asume that west is pushing them to frontline with guns put to their head, when given history of humans u will always find motivated guys ready to fight against invader.[/QUOTE]
Right now, the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 43 years old.
[video=youtube_share;jKAGxmJYcUI]https://youtu.be/jKAGxmJYcUI[/video]
I had to search through Jimmy Dore videos, since that particular video is shadowbanned.
Ukraine is literally kidnapping young men off the streets, forcing them to fight, as you can watch in many shadowbanned videos.
What the hell does a corrupt leadership care about their country, innocent people, so long as they themselves benefit.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14883438]for simply doing his job as a journalist? absolutely![/QUOTE]
Nobody considers Tucker to be a journalist.
Even Putin knows this.
[QUOTE=CeltsGarlic;14884278]Bro u kinda missing the point that ukraine is also a player in this war, and they kinda want to fight. Why musk and a lot of people asume that west is pushing them to frontline with guns put to their head, when given history of humans u will always find motivated guys ready to fight against invader.[/QUOTE]
it's the ultra-nationalists that still want to fight and unfortunately they hold the most political power. everybody else, including the soldiers and officers, know that the counter-offensive is over as well as is the war. low morale as well as diminished numbers of untrained soldiers spells nothing but doom for the ukrainian army.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14884347]it's the ultra-nationalists that still want to fight and unfortunately they hold the most political power. everybody else, including the soldiers and officers, know that the counter-offensive is over as well as is the war. low morale as well as diminished numbers of untrained soldiers spells nothing but doom for the ukrainian army.[/QUOTE]
If Russia has already won, then Russia can just hold the line. They don't need to do anything further. There is nothing else to it if Russia wasn't the aggressor. They have a buffer line already.
And if the counter-offensive is over as you say then that's it for them. There is no Biden administration or NATO telling Ukraine to go on another offensive to reclaim lost land.
If Russia has no intention of taking over Ukraine, then the "special operation" completed its objective. It's over, right?
[QUOTE=bladefd;14884383]If Russia has already won, then Russia can just hold the line. They don't need to do anything further. There is nothing else to it if Russia wasn't the aggressor. They have a buffer line already.
And if the counter-offensive is over as you say then that's it for them. There is no Biden administration or NATO telling Ukraine to go on another offensive to reclaim lost land.
If Russia has no intention of taking over Ukraine, then the "special operation" completed its objective. It's over, right?[/QUOTE]
that's not the way war works. that's not the way peace is achieved. it's either going to be through a peaceful settlement from the west or the russian domination of the ukrainian capital of kiev and the capture or killing of zelensky and his cohorts.
...something tells me you already know this.
The interview currently has 16 million views on YouTube, yet if you got to YouTube and type in "Tucker Carlson Putin Interview" the interview is nowhere to be found. Only coverage from ABC, CNN, etc.
And this is why I don't respect people like Blade, even though I like him, Off the Court, Axe, and I respect Jasper due to his age. But I don't respect Off the Court, Blade, Axe, because they support that type of suppression, that benefits the few and doesn't benefit them at all one bit. (Though I think there's hope for Axe, since unlike Blade/Off the Court, I believe that deep down he's against puberty blockers.) They are cowardly people.
[QUOTE=jstern;14884397]The interview currently has 16 million views on YouTube, yet if you got to YouTube and type in "Tucker Carlson Putin Interview" the interview is nowhere to be found. Only coverage from ABC, CNN, etc.
And this is why I don't respect people like Blade, even though I like him, Off the Court, Axe, and I respect Jasper due to his age. But I don't respect Off the Court, Blade, Axe, because they support that type of suppression, that benefits the few and doesn't benefit them at all one bit. (Though I think there's hope for Axe, since unlike Blade/Off the Court, I believe that deep down he's against puberty blockers.) They are cowardly people.[/QUOTE]
Blade, Off the Court, Axe, Jasper... The Four Horsemen!
[video=youtube;Jq_GDQj53IQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ[/video]
[QUOTE=diamenz;14884396]that's not the way war works. that's not the way peace is achieved. it's either going to be through a peaceful settlement from the west or the russian domination of the ukrainian capital of kiev and the capture or killing of zelensky and his cohorts.
...something tells me you already know this.[/QUOTE]
North Korea and South Korea never had a peace treaty officially ending that war. Russia can dig in and just hold the line. They don't have to capture Kiev if that wasn't the goal.
Was that the goal to capture Kiev and take over Ukraine? You tell me what the goal of this "special operation" was.
[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14884399]Blade, Off the Court, Axe, Jasper... The Four Horsemen!
[video=youtube;Jq_GDQj53IQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ[/video][/QUOTE]
You are one of us, too!
:cheers:
[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14884399]Blade, Off the Court, Axe, Jasper... The Four Horsemen!
[video=youtube;Jq_GDQj53IQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ[/video][/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;qbDsjqrrNwY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbDsjqrrNwY[/video]
My understanding is that one of them killed his family, I'm guessing he's the Off the Court.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14884430]North Korea and South Korea never had a peace treaty officially ending that war. Russia can dig in and just hold the line. They don't have to capture Kiev if that wasn't the goal.
Was that the goal to capture Kiev and take over Ukraine? You tell me what the goal of this "special operation" was.[/QUOTE]
bro. russia's primary goals in this war are both a neutral ukraine and regime change in the capital. capturing kiev achieves both of these objectives.
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[QUOTE=diamenz;14884450]bro. russia's primary goals in this war are both a neutral ukraine and regime change in the capital. capturing kiev achieves both of these objectives.
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So it was an invasion by Russia. The "special operation" was the propaganda term.