[QUOTE=Baller234;14887659]More cops! More security! More state protection! I'm s-s-s-s-scared!!!! :cry:[/QUOTE]
"Anti-establishment" :roll: :roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=Baller234;14887659]More cops! More security! More state protection! I'm s-s-s-s-scared!!!! :cry:[/QUOTE]
"Anti-establishment" :roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=Off the Court;14887652]You're never did. The only way he knows how to argue is to strawman.[/QUOTE]
He's downplaying it by feigning ignorance and pretending this murder wasn't the end result of insane democratic policies.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14887656]I feel like this kind of narrative is so dumb. Just because one illegal alien decides to do crime, what about the other millions of illegal aliens who live peacefully? What if a study comes out and find that citizens do more violent crime than illegals?
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This is nonsense. Assuming just 1% of all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, which is being generous, that would mean for every million border crossers you are letting in 10,000 violent criminals. Over the course of just a few years that number could be 50,000.
We don't have total control over what our own citizens do. If someone born here goes crazy and murders a random women, we can only try and find the root cause and do our best to prevent future cases. But we SHOULD have control over who enters our country. This murder was absolutely avoidable.
The guy was arrested twice for god's sake. He should have been deported right then and there.
ShawkFactory I hope you can see the type of people we're dealing with here.
You can side with common sense or you can side with depressed burnout losers like 3tard who operate on zero principle and just want to watch the world burn.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14887660]"Anti-establishment" :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
solid rebuttal. looks like baller234 wins by default.
also, still awaiting your input on the topic of ukraine from our back & forth the other day. i have yet to hear anything from you aside from "putin bad" and "invaded ukraine unprovoked" and other mainstream talking points.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887662]This is nonsense. Assuming just 1% of all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, which is being generous, that would mean for every million border crossers you are letting in 10,000 violent criminals. Over the course of just a few years that number could be 50,000.
We don't have total control over what our own citizens do. If someone born here goes crazy and murders a random women, we can only try and find the root cause and do our best to prevent future cases. But we SHOULD have control over who enters our country. This murder was absolutely avoidable.
The guy was arrested twice for god's sake. He should have been deported right then and there.[/QUOTE]
it really is something the lengths people will go to try and rationalize the inexcusable policies of their team. i think shawk knows better and it may just be a bit of miscommunication and misinterpretation.
...but the others itt... this topic should be the [B]easiest[/B] of things to call out. it shouldn't be controversial at all. it's basic national security.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14887664]Please protect me daddy government! Btw I'm anti-establishment[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Still fuming about Ukraine? Yikes. I don't even remember what you're whining about, sorry.
bawler lives in CONSTANT fear. You can tell the little guy is just TERRIFIED daily, which is why he wants a huge powerful government to protect him :lol But he's anti establishment somehow :biggums:
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887662]This is nonsense. Assuming just 1% of all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, which is being generous, that would mean for every million border crossers you are letting in 10,000 violent criminals. Over the course of just a few years that number could be 50,000.
We don't have total control over what our own citizens do. If someone born here goes crazy and murders a random women, we can only try and find the root cause and do our best to prevent future cases. But we SHOULD have control over who enters our country. This murder was absolutely avoidable.
The guy was arrested twice for god's sake. He should have been deported right then and there.[/QUOTE]
That's not the narrative though. The "Illegals are dangerous because look at this one guy who do violent crime" or "lets ban guns because look at this one school shooting" narrative are the ones I call dumb. Because it can be easily argued.
You should re-read what I wrote in its entirety.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14887670]That's not the narrative though. The "Illegals are dangerous because look at this one guy who do violent crime" or "lets ban guns because look at this one school shooting" narrative are the ones I call dumb. Because it can be easily argued.
You should re-read what I wrote in its entirety.[/QUOTE]
Uh, nobody is arguing that all illegals are dangerous. I'm sure most of them are just trying to make a better life for themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that you're also letting in hordes of bad ones too. The danger is posed by illegal immigration itself.
There is literally no upside and no benefit to importing hordes of undocumented migrant strangers. That this even needs to be explained to you is kind of crazy.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887671]Uh, nobody is arguing that all illegals are dangerous. I'm sure most of them are just trying to make a better life for themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that you're also letting in hordes of bad ones too. The danger is posed by illegal immigration itself.
There is literally no upside and no benefit to importing hordes of undocumented migrant strangers. That this even needs to be explained to you is kind of crazy.[/QUOTE]
That's what the narrative implied though. Just like with guns and school shooting. Just like with arabs and terrorist.
There are upsides to illegal immigration, but I think the downsides are 1000x worse. Looking into this is much better than dumb fearmongering narrative.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14887673]That's what the narrative implied though. Just like with guns and school shooting. Just like with arabs and terrorist.
There are upsides to illegal immigration, but I think the downsides are 1000x worse. Looking into this is much better than dumb fearmongering narrative.[/QUOTE]
It's not the same as guns and shootings at all. When there is a school shooting, only libtards are the ones blaming guns. Rational minded people know that the gun had nothing to do with it.
If we knew who was coming into our country and had the power to keep them out, this woman would still be alive. If this violent psycho had been held in custody and deported the moment he was first arrested for a violent crime, this woman would still be alive.
A direct line can be drawn from failed left wing policies to this woman's murder.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887674]It's not the same as guns and shootings at all. When there is a school shooting, only libtards are the ones blaming guns. Rational minded people know that the gun had nothing to do with it.
If we knew who was coming into our country and had the power to keep them out, this woman would still be alive. If this violent psycho had been held in custody and deported the moment he was first arrested for a violent crime, this woman would still be alive.
A direct line can be drawn from failed left wing policies to this woman's murder.[/QUOTE]
If guns were banned, that one school shooting would not happen. If illegals are banned, that one killing would not happen.
Both true. Both dumb narrative.
We shouldn't subscribe to this just cause we support one over the other.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14887677]If guns were banned, that one school shooting would not happen. If illegals are banned, that one killing would not happen.
Both true. Both dumb narrative.
We shouldn't subscribe to this just cause we support one over the other.[/QUOTE]
Not at all. A violent psychopath could just as easily mow down 20-30 people with their truck. Someone who's committed to murdering others is going to figure out how to do it one way or another. Plus there is also a huge downside to banning guns, as it would give violent criminals even more free reign to commit violent crime.
What is the downside to securing our border and making sure we know who's entering our country? Why would you possibly be against this?
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887679]Not at all. A violent psychopath could just as easily mow down 20-30 people with their truck. Someone who's committed to murdering others is going to figure out how to do it one way or another. Plus there is also a huge downside to banning guns, as it would give violent criminals even more free reign to commit violent crime.
What is the downside to securing our border and making sure we know who's entering our country? Why would you possibly be against this?[/QUOTE]
I think you should re-read again from the start. Seems like there's a clear misunderstanding.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14887681]I think you should re-read again from the start. Seems like there's a clear misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]
You said there was an upside to illegal immigration, did you not?
[QUOTE]There are upsides to illegal immigration, but I think the downsides are 1000x worse. Looking into this is much better than dumb fearmongering narrative.[/QUOTE]
What is the upside?
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887682]You said there was an upside to illegal immigration, did you not?
What is the upside?[/QUOTE]
Have you re-read? Are we still in a misunderstanding?
Baby brain bawler :roll:
[QUOTE=RRR3;14887684]Baby brain bawler :roll:[/QUOTE]
The only time you get upset over a death is when it's the death of a Hamas terrorist.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887682]You said there was an upside to illegal immigration, did you not?
What is the upside?[/QUOTE]
Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?
[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/5146/5662905485_4d800532a5_c.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14887710]Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?[/QUOTE]
Roads are usually overseen by local governance, either the city or the county. I don't think they're hiring fence jumpers. Those jobs are usually contracted out to unions and local engineers. If it's general laborers we need, that could just as easily be accomplished with a [B]legal[/B] immigration system. One where we [B]screen[/B] everyone who's coming in.
This is ABC kindergarten stuff. Don't know why you guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
You don't know what you are talking about, there is a very large % of undocumented workers in many blue collar industries, including construction. They do all of the work that white suburbanites would commit suicide before doing. They are the ones that do that do all the cheap heavy lifting. And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14887735]You don't know what you are talking about, there is a very large % of undocumented workers in many blue collar industries, including construction. They do all of the work that white suburbanites would commit suicide before doing. They are the ones that do that do all the cheap heavy lifting. And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.[/QUOTE]
I never said there weren't illegals in construction. I said they weren't paving the roads.
And with all due respect, you have no idea what the ratio of criminals to non-criminals is because you have [B]zero[/B] knowledge about who's coming through. That is a total guess on your estimation based on absolutely nothing, and even if we ran with this 1% number that's would mean there's tens of thousands of violent criminals pouring in every year. After 5 years you could be looking at 60,000. These are potential robbers, muggers, gang members, murderers and rapists.
And on top of that, what was the excuse for letting this man slip through law enforcement [B]twice[/B]? Why wasn't he deported the first time? So you guys want illegals pouring in AND you don't want to punish them for committing crime?
And republicans are the crazy ones for daring to bring this up?
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I also couldn't help but notice you went out of your way to demonize white suburbanites. Can I ask why? Are you telling me that black americans and other non-white americans DON'T have a problem doing these jobs? If that's the case then why do we need illegals in the first place? Why don't we give those jobs to black and brown people already living here?
Just curious since you decided to go with that framing.
Who would've thought Bill Gates was 100% messican?
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14887710]Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?
[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/5146/5662905485_4d800532a5_c.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
r u sure it's illegals that are doing that kind of work? it's not... [B]legal[/B] mexicans?
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14887735]And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.[/QUOTE]
but that's the issue. it's why we have a system in place to bring immigrants in at a fixed rate. we can't employ upwards of hundreds of thousands of people all at once. we can't house them either. look at the chaos it's caused in sanctuary cities. and don't tell me it's overblown right-wing culture war nonsense. i've seen it first-hand here in chicago.
in addition to that - they are indeed of not "sending their best". these people don't have degrees and half of them probably don't even have trade skills. we're supposed to flood the low-wage job market with mass amounts of people that don't speak english and find housing for them on a dime as well? at a time when the possibility of a recession still isn't outta the equation and [U]americans[/U] may need these low-wage jobs?
not to mention as we've been talking about we don't know who these people are, haven't vetted them and don't know what their intentions are. it would be nice to assume that they're coming here to assimilate, learn english and adapt to our culture but we don't know if that's the case. at least not in all instances. why take that chance? make them go through the proper process.
what are we - the refugee capital of the world? btw - it's not just latins coming into this country... it's mass amounts of chinese and even middle eastern as well as africans flooding in. middle easterners - arabs... at a time when we're bombing the ME and abetting in a mass expulsion of arabs. not good for our national security.
that's why it's a problem. no one is against legal immigration and if they are they can feel free to speak up about why.
[IMG]https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Total-workforce-graphii.png[/IMG]
[url]https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/#:~:text=Since%202003%2C%20unauthorized%20immigrants%20have,unauthorized%20immigrants%20in%20the%20workforce[/url].
[I]Overall, about 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants were in the U.S. labor force in 2021. That was up slightly from 2019 but smaller than every year from 2007 through 2015.[/I]
They make up 5% of our total workforce, with much higher percentages in the graphic posted here. And much higher percentages in the states near the border. Nevada, Texas, California, etc. The jobs that they obtain are the jobs that most legal citizens refuse to work, and there are shortages of. In fact there is a big shortage in the restaurant industry right now because no one wants to work it, and it is one of the few they can't take off our hands because it requires very fluent English.
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in addition to that - they are indeed of not "sending their best". these people don't have degrees and half of them probably don't even have trade skills. we're supposed to flood the low-wage job market with mass amounts of people that don't speak english and find housing for them on a dime as well? at a time when the possibility of a recession still isn't outta the equation and [U]americans[/U] may need these low-wage jobs?
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This is precisely what we want. Workers that are willing to do our slave labor work while our own citizens with degrees take the high paying jobs.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14887779][I]Overall, about 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants were in the U.S. labor force in 2021. That was up slightly from 2019 but smaller than every year from 2007 through 2015.[/I]
They make up 5% of our total workforce, with much higher percentages in the graphic posted here. And much higher percentages in the states near the border. Nevada, Texas, California, etc. [B][SIZE=5][SIZE=4]The jobs that they obtain are the jobs that most legal citizens refuse to work, and there are shortages of.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/B] In fact there is a big shortage in the restaurant industry right now because no one wants to work it, and it is one of the few they can't take off our hands because it requires very fluent English.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, interesting.
I thought you inferred it was just white suburbanites who refused to work those jobs. Why can't those jobs go to black and brown americans already living here?
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887791]Hmm, interesting.
I thought you inferred it was just white suburbanites who refused to work those jobs. Why can't those jobs go to black and brown americans already living here?[/QUOTE]
They could go to anyone who wants them, most legal citizens don't. And almost no one in the burbs, which is the group that seems obsessed with immigration.
There has been a restaurant labor shortage for a while now. Many people would rather flat out be broke and homeless than bust tables. The US is a spoiled country, even the poor are spoiled, complaining on their iphones about how broke they are even though there are an abundance of job openings. They are just jobs they think they are too good for.
my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless
truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese
[QUOTE=paksat;14887824]my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless
truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese[/QUOTE]
You think if the Gulf War were today we'd have issues because of tattoos and piercings? :roll:
Holy f@#k you are stupid :roll:
I bet those worthless latinos at your company wonder how they got stuck working with someone as stupid as you are.
[QUOTE=paksat;14887824]my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless
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This is an interesting comment to say the least...
[QUOTE=paksat;14887824]my business employs a ton of [B]latinos, 90% are worthless[/B]
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this is not the case at all. i'm not sure about [B]your[/B] particular instance (and if it's true then [B]you're[/B] doing something wrong), but the majority of latins in this country here legally are some of the hardest workers you could ask for, especially in regard to hard labor.
[QUOTE=paksat;14887824]my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless
truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese[/QUOTE]
Oof
:lol
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14887808]They could go to anyone who wants them, most legal citizens don't. And almost no one in the burbs, which is the group that seems obsessed with immigration.
There has been a restaurant labor shortage for a while now. Many people would rather flat out be broke and homeless than bust tables. The US is a spoiled country, even the poor are spoiled, complaining on their iphones about how broke they are even though there are an abundance of job openings. They are just jobs they think they are too good for.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I get it. I just think it's weird you chose to initially call out white suburbanites. You could have just as easily said "americans won't work these jobs"... yet you singled out white people.
In other words, the reason we need illegal immigration is because lazy and spoiled white people think they're above certain jobs. As always, you liberals make everything about white people.
Maybe that's why you guys are so indifferent to Laken Riley's murder. After all she was just a white suburbanite. She brought it on herself really. She should have worked on the construction site instead of going to college in Georgia, then maybe we wouldn't have had to let in her murderer.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14887864]Yea, I get it. I just think it's weird you chose to initially call out white suburbanites. You could have just as easily said "americans won't work these jobs"... yet you singled out white people.
In other words, the reason we need illegal immigration is because lazy and spoiled white people think they're above certain jobs. As always, you liberals make everything about white people.
Maybe that's why you guys are so indifferent to Laken Riley's murder. After all she was just a white suburbanite. She brought it on herself really. [B]She should have worked on the construction site instead of going to college in Georgia[/B], then maybe we wouldn't have had to let in her murderer.[/QUOTE]
Having been here for many years, that's literal Off the Court logic. ":roll: If she decided to get a construction job instead of going to college like a spoiled white girl, then she would still be alive."
Police in Georgia(unclear which agency) started going around and arresting the killer's family members, who were here illegally, for using a false identity to obtain work. :lol Uhmm yeah.. why don't they start doing that on a regular basis for all non farm jobs. Why does someone have to die before law enforcement gets off their ass and do something. Pretty much every illegal is guilty of identity theft here in the US
[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong;14888148] why don't they start doing that on a regular basis for all non farm jobs. [/QUOTE]
Why exclude farm jobs?
[QUOTE=SATAN;14888169]Why exclude farm jobs?[/QUOTE]
Well obviously few of us Americans want to do that. Myself NOT included. Technology and AI is evolving rapidly, plus more and more of our green vegetable crops are grown in Mexico though, we will need just a small fraction of the farm workers we have now in 20 years.
[QUOTE=paksat;14887824]my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt you have a business. If you did, you would have fired them if they were worthless and replaced them all. Or you are a horrendous, incompetent, and unintelligent businessman.
Stick to complaining about egg prices and how Biden has destroyed your life.