Zach Edey MONSTER 30 points and 21 rebounds performance in March Madness first round

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897017]And? What's that got to do with anything?[/QUOTE]

It means that Jokic has variety to his game. He is a good shooter from everywhere. He actually leads the fast break at times.

When Edey dribbles he looks down at the ball like a little kid. I don't see much skill. He just takes advantage of younger/ much smaller players. i don't see a lot that will translate to the NBA.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14897018]It means that Jokic has variety to his game. He is a good shooter from everywhere. He actually leads the fast break at times.[/quote]

Cool. Variety and shooting ability are features, not requirements. Shaq's offensive game was far more one-note and at his best, it could be argued to be as good as anyone's ever. Points scored are points scored; it doesn't matter how they come about as long as they do. Doesn't matter if it's a fancy fade-away shot from 16 feet or a drop-step dunk.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14897018]When Edey dribbles he looks down at the ball like a little kid. I don't see much skill. He just takes advantage of younger/ much smaller players. i don't see a lot that will translate to the NBA.[/QUOTE]

You don't see much skill because you don't understand what it is.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897033]Cool. Variety and shooting ability are features, not requirements. Shaq's offensive game was far more one-note and at his best, it could be argued to be as good as anyone's ever. Points scored are points scored; it doesn't matter how they come about as long as they do. Doesn't matter if it's a fancy fade-away shot from 16 feet or a drop-step dunk.



You don't see much skill because you don't understand what it is.[/QUOTE]



Having watched basketball since the 70s i think i understand it pretty well. Comparing him to Shaq is laughable. Shaq had legit athleticism as well as size. Shaq made HOF bigs look like kids.

Edey is playing against actual kids. Pretty big difference.

But the real dealbreaker for me is his interior defense. The following clips are just from the first half against Gonzaga.

[video=youtube_share;alKkPc8MZgc]https://youtu.be/alKkPc8MZgc?feature=shared[/video]

[video=youtube_share;XU8uSoWTHUo]https://youtu.be/XU8uSoWTHUo?feature=shared[/video]

[video=youtube_share;S4uI3HY1ZW4]https://youtu.be/S4uI3HY1ZW4?feature=shared[/video]

[video=youtube_share;J6FQHzoyU5w]https://youtu.be/J6FQHzoyU5w?feature=shared[/video]

[video=youtube_share;7l8vP3Yswgo]https://youtu.be/7l8vP3Yswgo?feature=shared[/video]

[video=youtube_share;FwnTXOb0HMk]https://youtu.be/FwnTXOb0HMk?feature=shared[/video]

If you knew what skill was you'd see that Edey has exceptional off-ball movement and positioning. He's legitimately one of the best ever at post-pinning and sealing in the paint.

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14896544]how about this, we'll let Zach be your personal physical training coach and guru. And every time you can't lose body fat or gain muscle, you'll sleep in a doggy cage and post those pictures on social media.

let me guess, you just pooped and piss your pants because Zach banging your loose a-hole to help you lose weight probably isn't gonna pass this test.

odd a guy who can't even work at McDonalds got a gimmick called BarberSchool[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897044]If you knew what skill was you'd see that Edey has exceptional off-ball movement and positioning. He's legitimately one of the best ever at post-pinning and sealing in the paint.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

It isn't hard to pin a 19 yr old he outweighs by 50+ pounds. It isn't so easy in the NBA.

Embiid and Jokic can't routinely post up right in front of the rim because they have grown NBA players guarding them.

If Edey has such good mobility I would think he wouldn't be letting guys score right in front of him.

Zach outweighs the average NBA center by 50+ pounds. I don't think you realize how big he is.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897048]Zach outweighs the average NBA center by 50+ pounds. I don't think you realize how big he is.[/QUOTE]


I understand just fine. Ever heard of Yao Ming? Pretty much the same size, probably bigger legs, who had to rely on skill because he couldn't just post guys up right in front of the rim.

Yao had a legit jumper. He could hit it straight on or fading away.

Most important he didn't just let guys score right in his face.

I've asked you this twice and both times you failed to answer. How many times have you actually watched edey play?

Having watched about 5 possessions of defense all I can say is…some team he’s on in the league might give up 190. And he’s way slower than I thought though I’ll wait to offer a serious take. One thing is sure. This ain’t Yao Ming or Rik Smits. He’s not quick even for giant standards. I’ll watch the rest though. Maybe I’ll see something different. Maybe he’s not warmed up yet.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14897688]Having watched about 5 possessions of defense all I can say is…some team he’s on in the league might give up 190. And he’s way slower than I thought though I’ll wait to offer a serious take. One thing is sure. This ain’t Yao Ming or Rik Smits. He’s not quick even for giant standards. I’ll watch the rest though. Maybe I’ll see something different. Maybe he’s not warmed up yet.[/QUOTE]


I have heard people try to rationalize his defense by saying the coach doesn't want him to pick up cheap fouls contesting shots.

Contesting shots without fouling us a skill. If the coach doesn't trust a senior to do it then I am going to assume he sucks at it.

I can get over the fact that he can't guard the perimeter but being unable to guard the interior as well is a deal breaker for me.

Good jump hook but I haven't seen any other moves from him on offense.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14897710]I have heard people try to rationalize his defense by saying the coach doesn't want him to pick up cheap fouls contesting shots.

Contesting shots without fouling us a skill. If the coach doesn't trust a senior to do it then I am going to assume he sucks at it.

I can get over the fact that he can't guard the perimeter but being unable to guard the interior as well is a deal breaker for me.

Good jump hook but I haven't seen any other moves from him on offense.[/QUOTE]
Raging about a guy projected to go in the second round this hard is weird. Let ISB be a fan of him.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14897712]Raging about a guy projected to go in the second round this hard is weird. Let ISB be a fan of him.[/QUOTE]


Some wizards fans on another board are saying we should draft him with our second first round pick. I've been arguing with them about it for a few weeks :lol and they've got me worked up.

Pretty sure ISB hasn't actually watched edey play.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14897715]Some wizards fans on another board are saying we should draft him with our second first round pick. I've been arguing with them about it for a few weeks :lol and they've got me worked up.

Pretty sure ISB hasn't actually watched edey play.[/QUOTE]
Second round picks are a crapshoot and tbh until you stop letting Kuzma and Poole take shots away from Deni and Coulibaly you’re not going anywhere anyways.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14897719]Second round picks are a crapshoot and tbh until you stop letting Kuzma and Poole take shots away from Deni and Coulibaly you’re not going anywhere anyways.[/QUOTE]

Kuzma will hopefully get traded this summer. He almost got traded to Dallas at the deadline.

Poole has done better since he moved to pg. He played most of the season at the 2 and it was a disaster. It seemed he felt the need to shoot it every time he touched it

At pg he has the ball in his hands consistently and doesn't take as many bad shots, but still takes a few. He has been decent at setting up other guys. With that contract we are stuck with him.

Not worried about Deni he's been doing fine. Bilal is awful at finishing inside and very turnover prone. He needs to improve over the summer so he can handle higher usage.

You can disagree about Edey's prospects as a pro. I'm not sure why you have to be so hostile about it. I feel like you have a fetish for a certain [i]aesthetic[/i] of player, and if one doesn't fit that mold, you display an irrational hatred for said individual. You act as if it's blasphemous when the general consensus is that he's a borderline lottery pick at this point. Lock for 1st round according to what Givony has heard from executives.

Here's a 3+ minute highlight reel of Edey on defense from Corey Tulaba (No Ceilings):

[url]https://twitter.com/CoreyTulaba/status/1776285331077124682[/url]

[QUOTE]Not the most popular place to own real estate, but I’m on Zach Edey island. Edey has unquestionably been dominant during his college career but questions remain about his place in the modern NBA. Most of those questions come via the defensive side of the ball, as evaluators ponder whether Edey has the movement skills to not get cooked every possession. I believe that Edey is going to figure it out. Edey is just straight up more mobile than you would think a 7’3” 300+ pound giant would be. Plus, he plays hard and is a smart basketball player. Pair that with a 7’10.5” wingspan and you have a guy who is going to figure it out. Yes, shifty guards with a bag will freeze him from time to time. Guys will make shots over his outstretched contests. Teams will try to find ways to pull him out to the perimeter. This is true of every big man prospect. A DPOY award may not be in the cards, but Edey has shown he’s capable of adjusting to it. Edey will also present as many mismatches on the other end of the floor. He is not done developing as a prospect himself. I’m buying Edey stock.

TLDR — The 2X National player of the Year is good actually.[/QUOTE]

Jonathon Givony (DraftExpress) has him as a lottery pick at the moment.

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ISB what do you think Edey would put up in the 90s?

I've watched him play. I've seen Edey's defense and posted multiple clips of him just letting guys score inside without any contest at all.

Edey was the player of the year last season and was still seen as a second round pick.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14897721]Kuzma will hopefully get traded this summer. He almost got traded to Dallas at the deadline.

Poole has done better since he moved to pg. He played most of the season at the 2 and it was a disaster. It seemed he felt the need to shoot it every time he touched it

At pg he has the ball in his hands consistently and doesn't take as many bad shots, but still takes a few. He has been decent at setting up other guys. With that contract we are stuck with him.

Not worried about Deni he's been doing fine. Bilal is awful at finishing inside and very turnover prone. He needs to improve over the summer so he can handle higher usage.[/QUOTE]
Deni absolutely needs more shots than he’s getting. Poole has been better but still not what I was expecting. I’ve never been high on Poole as a player as I don’t like guys who play the way he does (same reason I get sick of Tyler Herro) but I expected like 25 PPG on 55 TS% or something. He’s nowhere near that.

This guy is not good at NBA style basketball. Boban is better and he hasn't really been in any significant bench role in his career let alone being a starter.

I don't know, man. I think you're letting emotions and personal bias cloud your judgment. I mean, one of your critiques of Edey was that he doesn't dribble the ball well. I was kind of confused when you said that because it was such a bizarre criticism to bring up about a 7'4", 300-pound center that plays in the paint.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897728]I don't know, man. I think you're letting emotions and personal bias cloud your judgment. I mean, one of your critiques of Edey was that he doesn't dribble the ball well. I was kind of confused when you said that because it was such a bizarre criticism to bring up about a 7'4", 300-pound center that plays in the paint.[/QUOTE]


Edey's has 5 turnovers in this game already. Maybe it isn't so bizarre.

No, it's definitely bizarre considering Zach averages between 0.25-0.3 dribbles per field goal. I feel like you don't understand his actual game because it's primarily off-ball and requires minimal dribbling.

Like Shaq, Zach does what's known as "doing your work early." I don't know if you've ever actually played competitive basketball - you might not have heard this phrase before. It's when you work for good positioning in the post before you get the ball so that when you catch the ball, you're in a scoring area and can go straight up, without a dribble ideally.

Zach barely dribbles in college and he won't at the professional level. So, yeah: it's a strange issue to have with his game.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897732]No, it's definitely bizarre considering Zach averages between 0.25-0.3 dribbles per field goal. I feel like you don't understand his actual game because it's primarily off-ball and requires minimal dribbling.

Like Shaq, Zach does what's known as "doing your work early." I don't know if you've ever actually played competitive basketball - you might not have heard this phrase before. It's when you work for good positioning in the post before you get the ball so that when you catch the ball, you're in a scoring area and can go straight up, without a dribble ideally.

Zach barely dribbles in college and he won't at the professional level. So, yeah: it's a strange issue to have with his game.[/QUOTE]


There is also something you may have heard of in post play, keep the ball high so the little guys can't get it. When Edey catches the ball in the post he brings it down where anyone can get their hands on it. I've never seen him keep the ball high, turn and shoot over smaller players.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14897734]There is also something you may have heard of in post play, keep the ball high so the little guys can't get it. When Edey catches the ball in the post he brings it down where anyone can get their hands on it. I've never seen him keep the ball high, turn and shoot over smaller players.[/QUOTE]

Then you haven't been paying attention to all my Kevin McHale posts on here and RealGM. I think I've mentioned keeping the ball high a dozen times over the last few years.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14897735]Then you haven't been paying attention to all my Kevin McHale posts on here and RealGM. I think I've mentioned keeping the ball high a dozen times over the last few years.[/QUOTE]



Then that just shows you haven't been watching edey play. if you actually watched him play you would know he brings it down every time unless it's an alley oop or a quick pass back out

the guy is 7'4" and he still needs to lean into his defender every play instead of keep his center of gravity straight up prior to attempting a basketball play

Edey is looking good and athletic.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14948843]Edey is looking good and athletic.[/QUOTE]

Early days but he's shown real promise. Excited to see him with JJJ and Morant.

Yao Ming lower body stability, height, and touch.
Zubac overall lumbering strength and arm length.

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14896544]how about this, we'll let Zach be your personal physical training coach and guru. And every time you can't lose body fat or gain muscle, you'll sleep in a doggy cage and post those pictures on social media.

let me guess, you just pooped and piss your pants because Zach banging your loose a-hole to help you lose weight probably isn't gonna pass this test.

odd a guy who can't even work at McDonalds got a gimmick called BarberSchool[/QUOTE]
Whose alt is this ? Supreme level f@ggotry, can’t be that many people here who could post this batty bwoy projection/admission.:roll: