MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

It was already known that MJ was stat hunting that season. He would regularly go scorekeepers to see what he needed for a triple double. But he was focussed on the blocks and steals because those were heavily weighed for DPOY back then.

There are more egregious examples. Stockton's inflated assists for example or literally any home games in Boston or LA. Wilt and Russell would have padded rebounding numbers and when it was called out they're reasoning was, "well the other side is doing it!"

You'd think in the age of the internet and readily available game footage this would go away but this was still happening with Chris Paul or Rondo's assists.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14923209]:mad:[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately for you, at least 30% of people think LeBron is the GOAT now and it's going to keep getting higher. Tell us where it hurts.

what's the big deal? he got twice as many steals and blocks at home, give or take - who cares?.. Many other DPOY's did too - Eaton had similar "stocks" multiples or whatever where he was getting twice as many at home too - they ALL got more steals and blocks at home, and Jordan was of course GOAT at that - everyone got hype at home but nothing like Jordan

none of this is surprising or noteworthy except to show the absolute BS that lebron fans must conjure to bring the GOAT down - but there's nothing they can do because MJ had the perfect career, aka being unbeatable with 1 all-star and never losing with homecourt or on the championship level, while also never getting locked up in a series.

[QUOTE=FKAri;14923210]It was already known that MJ was stat hunting that season. He would regularly go scorekeepers to see what he needed for a triple double. But he was focussed on the blocks and steals because those were heavily weighed for DPOY back then.

There are more egregious examples. [b]Stockton's inflated assists for example[/b] or literally any home games in Boston or LA. Wilt and Russell would have padded rebounding numbers and when it was called out they're reasoning was, "well the other side is doing it!"

You'd think in the age of the internet and readily available game footage this would go away but this was still happening with Chris Paul or Rondo's assists.[/QUOTE]


[quote][I]Who do you think are padding stats these days.................................LEBRON!

When you dont play any DEFENSE, its a form of padding stats.

Not being a 2-way player, is a way of Padding stats.

Saving your energy for OFFENSE, is a way of Padding Stats.[/I][/quote]

[video=youtube;idjY85oAR2I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idjY85oAR2I[/video]

If there were 2 players in NBA history who absolutely spent tons of energy Playing DEFENSE!...................STOCKTON and MJ

FACT: Between them are 5 Steals Championships!. and NBA All Time Steals Leader.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923212]what's the big deal? [/QUOTE]

Cope

The article lists a bunch of low-scoring DPOY's that average between 7 to 18 ppg........... Then it shows a DPOY that was actually the goat scorer and averaged twice as much (35 ppg), but pretends that he shouldn't be an outlier from the other DPOY's, or acts surprised that he is.

The article concedes that even low-scoring DPOY's like Ben Wallace and Jaren Jackson Jr benefitted from home environment even though they didn't have the massive 2-way burden and therefore didn't need the energy or the crowd like Jordan did.. Jordan was like Muhamad Ali and had a different relationship with the crowd than a grinder like Alvin Robertson or Ben Wallace - [I]Jordan needed the crowd more to help carry the goat 2-way burden but this boost wasn't there on the road[/I].. In addition to the crowd being a bigger factor for Jordan, the Bulls were a developing team in 1988 and the gap in home/road performance was bigger than anyone else on the list.

Essentially, Jordan was not an ordinary DPOY because he's the goat scorer and most DPOY's are low-scoring grinders.. Even Hakeem only averaged 27 ppg as DPOY, which is 8 less than MJ.. The young Bulls also had bigger gaps in performance (home vs road) than anyone in on the list.

Articles like this show how much Jordan is goat because it's clear that people are just mad that Lebron fell short - now that it's over, they're desperate as they enter the denial phase.. It's amusing

Just saw the vid. So MJ was credited blocks when the whistle was already blown dead for a foul? That is next level superstar treatment.

Guy also points out that in one game Atlanta was credited with 10 turnovers while Chicago was credited with 10 steals, he went back and watched that game because of how odd it was for all of a team's turnovers to be steals and it turned out to be a lie.

This is the game in question.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198802150CHI.html[/url]

MJ was falsely credited with 5 steals.

DPOY fraud winner confirmed. :oldlol:

Even then, it doesn't really change anything for me. I always said there was no way '88 MJ had more defensive impact than Hakeem. Just like how it was a joke Michael Cooper, GP, & Marcus Smart won the award. It's not an award guards should win.

The way you guys obsess about him is astonishing lol.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923251]This is the game in question.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198802150CHI.html[/url]

MJ was falsely credited with 5 steals.

DPOY fraud winner confirmed. :oldlol:

Even then, it doesn't really change anything for me. I always said there was no way '88 MJ had more defensive impact than Hakeem. Just like how it was a joke Michael Cooper, GP, & Marcus Smart won the award. It's not an award guards should win.[/QUOTE]


it's a bs article that compares low-scoring dpoy's to the goat scorer and expects similar results

jaren jackson had 159% more steals & blocks at home than on the road - he's 2nd to Jordan's 182 - this means literally nothing except that Jordan had the goat 2-way burden and therefore needed the home crowd for energy more than Jackson, while also having a young team that played poorly on the road.

again, it's a bs article that compares apples to oranges.. the least they could do is provide gifs in the article to show the questionable steals (as I would have done and routinely do on here) - provide the Rodney King, video evidence... But no... of course not... because it's a fraudulent article bankrolled by Klutch Sports.. carry on

Btw, the article claims to have watched 5 games as the sample size for missed steals, which proves that "Thinking Basketball" youtube channel is fraudulent - they claim to have watched over 100 playoff games of Jordan to track his on-off for various lineups - this is obviously false considering the mainstream could only watch 5 before saying "that's enough (for the fruad)"

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Yikes

Be interesting to know if any of these fraudulent activities were effecting gambling outcomes...

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923251]I always said there was no way '88 MJ had more defensive impact than Hakeem. Just like how it was a joke Michael Cooper, GP, & Marcus Smart won the award. It's not an award guards should win.[/QUOTE]


Comparing Jordan to Marcus Smart is absurd - you just never saw jordan and that's OKAY

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923258][IMG]https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/gJ_83GbfleeivDk4m5gO4A--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0yMDM2O2NmPXdlYnA-/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2024-06/524e73d0-2807-11ef-9fff-4b08316deaf4[/IMG]

Yikes[/QUOTE]


23' Jaren Jackson.......... 18.6 ppg..... 150% more home stocks
88' Michael Jordan......... 35.0 ppg..... 182% more home stocks


^^^^ Jordan carried the goat 2-way burden and therefore needed goat energy, so he benefitted from the home crowd energy more than anyone.. On the road, he saved energy by gambling less and getting less steals... Makes sense to anyone that hooped.. The blocks remained similar on the home/road - it was only the steals and only that one year where MJ's defensive energy much higher than any other year in his effort to win DPOY... So the article is complete BS - everything is explained easily and they're pretending there's an issue.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923279]23' Jaren Jackson.......... 18.6 ppg..... 150% more home stocks
88' Michael Jordan......... 35.0 ppg..... 182% more home stocks


^^^^ Jordan carried the goat 2-way burden and therefore needed goat energy, so he benefitted from the home crowd energy more than anyone.. On the road, he saved energy by gambling less and getting less steals... Makes sense to anyone that hooped.. The blocks remained similar on the home/road - it was only the steals and only that one year where MJ's defensive energy much higher than any other year in his effort to win DPOY... So the article is complete BS - everything is explained easily and they're pretending there's an issue.[/QUOTE]

Good post, was about to bring up JJ. They tried the same shit with him and it got debunked.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923267]Comparing Jordan to Marcus Smart is absurd - you just never saw jordan and that's OKAY[/QUOTE]

Reading comprehension isn't your best suit?

Every guard since Michael Cooper who have won DPOY have been fraud award winners.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14923281]Good post, was about to bring up JJ. They tried the same shit with him and it got debunked.[/QUOTE]

It got debunked, the vid in the OP even mentions that. But this guy actually went back along with someone else and actually watched entire games and realized fraud stats were credited to MJ.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923250]
Guy also points out that in one game Atlanta was credited with 10 turnovers while Chicago was credited with 10 steals[/QUOTE]

MJ Stan's still ignoring this fact. All 10 turnovers were steals? That is almost impossible, the guy went back and confirmed it was false.

But they still claim BS on the article.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923286]MJ Stan's still ignoring this fact. All 10 turnovers were steals? That is almost impossible, the guy went back and confirmed it was false.

But they still claim BS on the article.[/QUOTE]

It's actually worse than the headline suggested when you listen, they are saying that Mj was getting credited for Steals on deflections out of bounds and credited for blocks even after being called for fouls. This is pretty significant and has to be acknowledged.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923286]MJ Stan's still ignoring this fact. All 10 turnovers were steals? That is almost impossible, the guy went back and confirmed it was false.

But they still claim BS on the article.[/QUOTE]


the 182% is part of a trend for ALL players and all DPOY's that range from 130 to 160... Jordan's slightly high number at 182 is explained any number of ways such as the abnormal energy Jordan applied on the defensive side of the ball that particular year.. So with the numbers basically complete BS, the article basically asks the reader to take the author's word for it that they watched 5 games and many of the steals were misreported..

[I]where are the links to the games?.. why should we take their word for it?
[/I]
again, this is all part of the "done with the 90's" and "can't go left" bs propaganda put forth by Klutch Sports... it's AMAZING that this stuff is in the mainstream for new fans to digest as the truth.. It makes you realize how much of history is misreported or mischaracterized and the truth basically changed from what actually happened.. it's sad

And btw, it shows how painstaking it is that they sampled 5 games, while the fraudulent youtube channel "Thinking Basketball" claims to have watched over 100 Jordan playoff games!!!!... lol... what a bunch of obvious frauds..

People who read into those splits in '88 need to explain the '87 splits to me lol.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14923299]People who read into those splits in '88 need to explain the '87 splits to me lol.[/QUOTE]

I'd imagine it means the same shit was happening in 87 too, duh.

This is massive if true haven't looked into it yet as I am busy

This literally cements LeBron as the undisputed GOAT

Im already aware of MJ getting preferential treatment from the refs but it's starting to seem like his whole career has been manufactured and massively inflated

I want to step away from the inflated stats subject and bring up something else rather interesting from the article. Notice what the author wrote about MJ's defensive philosophy and strategy at this stage of his career.

[I]Jordan made sure his discontent was known. In an 18-page Sports Illustrated feature in which SI writer Curry Kirkpatrick entrenched himself inside Jordan’s growing empire, the Chicago Bulls star expressed deep resentment about his lack of recognition. [U][B]In particular, Jordan called out the voting contingency about its apparent disregard for box-score statistics like blocks and steals[/B][/U].

“[B]Michael Cooper is great at ball denial,” Jordan told SI. “But check his other stats[/B]...

The Chicago Bull registered another six-steal game later that month. And another. In late January against the lowly New Jersey Nets, Jordan posted a career-high and franchise-record 10 steals. He didn’t even play the fourth quarter.

The mission consumed him. After the history-making Nets game, he openly admitted to hunting for steals so he could break the record. "I knew I was close, and I asked to find out what the record was,” Jordan told the Chicago Tribune that night. “[B]I was on a roll. I was going for it, reaching for everything[/B].”[/I]

At this point in his career, by his own admission MJ, considered stats (blocks and steals) to be the barometer for defensive effectiveness. He even contrasted his defensive strategy against Michael Cooper's stating that Cooper focused on things such as ball denial while he, himself focused on stats. Then he also admitted that he did a lot of reaching to increase his steals quantity, in his mind, proving that he is a great defender.

This actually reinforces what the [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5aNUS762wM&list=PLtzZl14BrKjSMb4IFWSy0qh_nFGiy7PoZ&index=7&t=942s"]Thinking Basketball YouTuber stated about MJ's defense in his greatest peaks series[/URL]. While he praised MJ's overall defense, he mentioned that MJ often reached, swiped, and gambled for steals looking for the "home-run" play when simply playing the offensive player straight up may have been a more effective option.

Jig is up on that DPOY award and 3rage is raging.


MJ given more steals than the opponent had turnovers :roll:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14923408]Jig is up on that DPOY award and 3rage is raging.


MJ given more steals than the opponent had turnovers :roll:[/QUOTE]


it's called fraud son.. one day you'll understand how it works

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923411]it's called fraud son.. one day you'll understand how it works[/QUOTE]
MJ's stats were literally just exposed as fraudulent and you're acting like a baby who got its bottle taken away:roll:

Similar to the "can't go left" or "done with the 90's", this fraud takes a 2 examples of imperfect stat-keeping and claims and entire season can be discredited - how long did they look to find a game where the steals were off?... Why not do a bigger sample or show your work more?... Why not look at games where he had 8 and 7 steals to see if they're legit??... Why only use 2 games as the example?... Because it's fraud - they likely looked at many games and found 1 or 2 where things were off - that's all they needed for this fraud.. Who's checking their work?... No one... who's reporting on their work?.. Klutch minions like Broussard.. It's amazing this stuff happens.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923414]Similar to the "can't go left" or "done with the 90's", this fraud takes a 2 examples of imperfect stat-keeping and claims and entire season can be discredited - how long did they look to find a game where the steals were off?... Why not do a bigger sample or show your work more?... Why not look at games where he had 8 and 7 steals to see if they're legit??... Why only use 2 games as the example?... Because it's fraud - they likely looked at many games and found 1 or 2 where things were off - that's all they needed for this fraud.. Who's checking their work?... No one... who's reporting on their work?.. Klutch minions like Broussard.. It's amazing this stuff happens.[/QUOTE]

They actually used 5 or 6 games they could get the tape on from that season. And the home/ away splits support the theory. The tape proved it, in that stretch they analyzed he was given like 16 phantom steals if iirc. That's enough smoke to start a fire.

Here it is guys.......NBA Released game!

The so-called ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM (1/29/88) HOME game!

I would rather see the FULL COMPLETE game!

5 CLEAN steals + atleast 4 MJ INITIATED steals = 8-9 steals count so far!

NBA released "incomplete" highlights reel here!.

Love to see a 20 min detailed version of this steller defensive clinic of a game by MJ.

If I waste my time to see "entire" Minute 1 to minute 48 of this game.....MJ will be sitting on 12-13 total steals in all reality.

From the way he is playing here. Guy was a defensive monster. That gambling defense whenever the ball is around him is just too quick.

[video=youtube;x63V0I5T-zA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63V0I5T-zA[/video]

0:15 - Steal 1
0:25 - This one is tough. It's either a block by Jordan or a tipped pass by Jordan and a steal by Brad Sellers
0:42 - Block by Jordan
1:06 - Steal 2
1:47 - Steal 3
2:12 - Steal by Charles Oakley
2:39 - Steal 4
3:02 - Tipped pass by Jordan, Paxson credited with steal because he was the person who changed possession
3:10 - Tipped pass by Jordan, Sellers credited with steal
3:24 - Steal 5

[QUOTE=jlip;14923400]I want to step away from the inflated stats subject and bring up something else rather interesting from the article. Notice what the author wrote about MJ's defensive philosophy and strategy at this stage of his career.

[I]Jordan made sure his discontent was known. In an 18-page Sports Illustrated feature in which SI writer Curry Kirkpatrick entrenched himself inside Jordan’s growing empire, the Chicago Bulls star expressed deep resentment about his lack of recognition. [U][B]In particular, Jordan called out the voting contingency about its apparent disregard for box-score statistics like blocks and steals[/B][/U].

“[B]Michael Cooper is great at ball denial,” Jordan told SI. “But check his other stats[/B]...

The Chicago Bull registered another six-steal game later that month. And another. In late January against the lowly New Jersey Nets, Jordan posted a career-high and franchise-record 10 steals. He didn’t even play the fourth quarter.

The mission consumed him. After the history-making Nets game, he openly admitted to hunting for steals so he could break the record. "I knew I was close, and I asked to find out what the record was,” Jordan told the Chicago Tribune that night. “[B]I was on a roll. I was going for it, reaching for everything[/B].”[/I]

At this point in his career, by his own admission MJ, considered stats (blocks and steals) to be the barometer for defensive effectiveness. He even contrasted his defensive strategy against Michael Cooper's stating that Cooper focused on things such as ball denial while he, himself focused on stats. Then he also admitted that he did a lot of reaching to increase his steals quantity, in his mind, proving that he is a great defender.

This actually reinforces what the [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5aNUS762wM&list=PLtzZl14BrKjSMb4IFWSy0qh_nFGiy7PoZ&index=7&t=942s"]Thinking Basketball YouTuber stated about MJ's defense in his greatest peaks series[/URL]. While he praised MJ's overall defense, he mentioned that MJ often reached, swiped, and gambled for steals looking for the "home-run" play when simply playing the offensive player straight up may have been a more effective option.[/QUOTE]

The MJ I hear about around here would never......this is what happens when grown ass men continue with children's narratives despite clearly having the ability to be more critical. "Mj didn't play for stats guys, this is a pr campaign ":lol

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14923418]They actually used 5 or 6 games they could get the tape on from that season. And the home/ away splits support the theory. The tape proved it.[/QUOTE]


5 games isn't a sample - I'm sure they could get more games........ And they only provided specifics on 1 of the games... He literally used a one-off to make his case.

Jordan had a bunch of high-steal games that year so why not look at his 8-steal and 7-steal games?.. Anyone could go check them out, which would be offsetting proof to the tiny sample that Haberstroh claims to have..

Without a much bigger sample and showing their work, it's fraud.. [I]MJ could hire a team to verify his stats and then sue Haberstroh for libel and slander, since Haberstroh used a couple one-offs to make his case. [/I]

Again, they only showed a one-off example from the hawks game, which I showed above was sketchy at best.. .The only other specifics that they provided was the 10-steal game that they said was wrong because the NBA's highlight video of that game only showed 6 of them... wtf??... that isn't evidence..

Btw, they made this same claim about Jaren Jackson Jr. and a team went back and proved his numbers were legit - I'm sure that could be done here too because only a 5-game sample was allegedly used, and specifics were only provided on 1 game.. [I]It's likely that all of this came from the Hawks game and the NBA highlight video on the 10-steal game.[/I]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923414]Similar to the "can't go left" or "done with the 90's", this fraud takes a 2 examples of imperfect stat-keeping and claims and entire season can be discredited - how long did they look to find a game where the steals were off?... Why not do a bigger sample or show your work more?... Why not look at games where he had 8 and 7 steals to see if they're legit??... Why only use 2 games as the example?... Because it's fraud - they likely looked at many games and found 1 or 2 where things were off - that's all they needed for this fraud.. Who's checking their work?... No one... who's reporting on their work?.. Klutch minions like Broussard.. It's amazing this stuff happens.[/QUOTE]

Its all out there!

Klutch Media working OT to discredit MJs DPOY some way some how.

Month ago, on Pod Cast, LBJ shamelessly questioned 2012 DPOY win.

Klutch Media has been working extra hard, handing that cash doe, all over ESPN and paid media.

Get that astreriks next go 1988 DPOY win. appx 135/260. is too much for LeColluder and his Media Minions to handle.

Remember the rhetoric! If LeBalco cannot do it defensively, now one else should be able to.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14923424]Its all out there!

Klutch Media working OT to discredit MJs DPOY some way some how.

Month ago, on Pod Cast, LBJ shamelessly questioned 2012 DPOY win.

Klutch Media has been working extra hard, handing that cash doe, all over ESPN and paid media.

Get that astreriks next go 1988 DPOY win. appx 135/260. is too much for LeColluder and his Media Minions to handle.

Remember the rhetoric! If LeBalco cannot do it defensively, now one else should be able to.[/QUOTE]


The entire thing is based off the Hawks game (posted above) and then the NBA's highlight reel of Jordan's 10-steal game that only showed 6 steals.

The entire schtick is based off this - he claims that he watched 5 games but where are they? Which games? He only specifies the Hawks game and the 10-steal game - that's it - and the 10-steal game could've absolutely had 10 steals but the NBA just didn't put all 10 in the highlight reel.

Regardless, a 5-game sample isn't enough to take anyone's award away and it amazes me how the 182% number is considered a big deal when many DPOY's were in the 150-160 range... 182 for an abnormal player like MJ just doesn't seem noteworthy - the other DPOY's barely scored, while MJ was the goat scorer, so I wouldn't expect his metrics to be like the other DPOY's.

Basically, if you're going to take someone's award away, then provide a 20-game sample with timestamps for all 30 of the fake steals - put it on a webpage somewhere so anyone can verify the work - it wouldn't be that hard to do that.. Then this would be substantial enough to truly bring into question the DPOY - but 5 games.... 5?... And you only really talk about 1?... It's absurd.

[QUOTE]Scottie Pippen says NBA scorekeepers in the 90’s fabricated stats for Michael Jordan:

“Say I deflected the ball and tapped it over to [MJ]. I should get the credit with the steal right? Nope. More often that not, the steal went into his column in the stat sheet and I could do nothing about it… One night a scorekeeper came into the locker room… to hand the stat sheets to Phil Jackson… I couldn’t believe the look the guy gave Michael: ‘See MJ, we take care of you.’”[/QUOTE]


[url]https://x.com/LegionHoops/status/1804507637196964308[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7M5z_caGk[/url]

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14923445][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7M5z_caGk[/url][/QUOTE]


The article says that for a 6-game stretch, 28 steals were recorded by stat-keepers but only 12 of them were real, so why would stat-keepers try to add nearly 3 steals per game over a 6-game stretch and think they could get away with it?... That's a ton of steals to think they could get away with by just adding 3 per game to MJ's totals - it's extremely absurd tbh... (16 extra steals over 6 games is 2.5 steals per game).

Why would anyone think they could get away with that?... It's because it never happened - the 16 "fake" steals are subjective calls and Haberstroh already pointed out the most notable one on Chris Broussard's show (posted previously itt) where MJ and a teammate tip the ball and MJ comes up with it... Haberstroh states that this should be a steal for the teammate (Mike Brown) but it's completely subjective - it looked like MJ did touched the ball as well and he came up with it - it wasn't some kind of robbery that required scrutiny and we don't even know who the steal was attributed to - it was just assumed that this was a robbery...

btw, people don't realize that his steals was just an extra - that isn't what made him a great defender.. He was a great defender because he fostered a culture of effort, which coupled with long-standing chemistry yields a great team defense, regardless of cast.. He also held most primary matchups like Magic, Drexler, Miller, Dumars, Isiah, Majerle and more to 35-43% shooting - he did this to nearly every primary matchup, while carrying the goat offensive load, aka GOAT.. So again, his steals and blocks were just a bonus or icing on a goat cake.

Finally, the article showed that many dpoy's had 50-60% higher steals & blocks at home, so Jordan's 82% means little and could be explained many ways aside from bad score-keeping - that's such a leap in the face of other possible conclusions.. i.e. MJ is the only goat scorer among a group of low-scoring DPOY's - his 2-way burden and energy requirements were so much higher, so he benefitted from the home crowd much more and probably gambled less for steals on the road to save energy.. Essentially, Jordan's abnormal energy management requirements from his 2-way burden are shown in the steals number on the road - [I]this is just one possible reason[/I] why the only goat saw a slightly greater bounce at home than your typical DPOY, so there's no need to jump the gun and assume the record-keepers are cheating.

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Haberstroh took a 6-game sample and stated that record-keepers added nearly 3 steals per game over the sample (16 "fake" steals).. He spoke about the most noteworthy play to Chris Broussard, which was posted earlier itt - it's clearly a toss-up.. Using this subjective nitpicking of close calls, he supposedly saw 15 more of those over a 6-game sample.. That's his evidence but he doesn't actually post it - he expects us to take his word... He needs to post the 16 "fake" steals on a webpage somewhere so fans could see for themselves.. I already posted one of them earlier itt, so it wouldn't take long at all.. Then release another 6 games next month and 6 more in the 3rd month, so we have 18 game sample over 3 months with 50+ "fake" steals - [I]THEN he would have something[/I].. But instead, what he provided is complete trash and obviously a fraudulent scam and a quite lazy one I might add.. Lebron said a few weeks ago that he was unhappy with 2013 DPOY voting and a few weeks later this article comes out with a 6-game sample of the same completely-slanted, subjective garbage that they accuse the original record-keepers of.

Klutch Media can try all they want.

The rules had been set since 1987 for Perimeter defender!

Get to 200-100 first, than complain about DPOY.

2013 LBJ got to 129-67! thats it. Thats not even Pippen numbers for a 6' 8" guy.

Only reason he got DPOY Runner-Up spot is because of the SUPER team!.

No Klutch Media hit piece against MJ can fudge LBJ's decent defensive stats.

LBJ just cannot deflect balls. create defensive chaos like 1986-1990 MJ did.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14923491]Klutch Media can try all they want.

The rules had been set since 1987 for Perimeter defender!

Get to 200-100 first, than complain about DPOY.

2013 LBJ got to 129-67! thats it. Thats not even Pippen numbers for a 6' 8" guy.

Only reason he got DPOY Runner-Up spot is because of the SUPER team!.

No Klutch Media hit piece against MJ can fudge LBJ's decent defensive stats.
[B]
LBJ just cannot deflect balls. create defensive chaos like 1986-1990 MJ did[/B].[/QUOTE]
It's true LeBron cannot get credited for stuff he didn't do, only MJ gets that advantage.