Curry's magic was IRREPLACEABLE, while Lebron's passing, rebs & hustle was

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14935940]Good luck having no defense Curry & Haliburton on the court at the same time. Teams were feasting on Curry's defense throughout the entire tournament, I could only imagine how bad it would have been having both of them on the court.

Anyways, this whole discussion is meaningless. USA won Gold with LeBron ball and the advance stats show USA was better with him on the floor compared to when he was benched.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of plus minus.

Lebron ON: +84 in 147 minutes --> +27.4 per 48 minutes
Lebron OFF: +30 in 93 minutes --> +15.5 per 48 minutes

Curry ON: +86 in 140 minutes --> +29.5 per 48 minutes
Curry OFF: +28 in 100 minutes --> +13.4 per 48 minutes

[QUOTE=dankok8;14935952]Speaking of plus minus.

Lebron ON: +84 in 147 minutes --> +27.4 per 48 minutes
Lebron OFF: +30 in 93 minutes --> +15.5 per 48 minutes
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for proving my point.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14935953]Thanks for proving my point.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you comprehended what Dank posted. That data showed the team was better with Curry ON +/- than with Lebron.

:roll:

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot.

[QUOTE=tpols;14935954]I don't think you fully comprehended what Dank posted. That data showed the team was better with Curry ON +/- than with Lebron.

:roll:

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot.[/QUOTE]

You really think I missed what he was trying to do? That is the same poster who rigged a voting against LeBron in one of his projects. I knew his intentions very well. Unfortunately for you, I never brought up Curry's plus-minus, simply stated USA was better when LeBron was on the court and he proved me right. And with all that said, we all know who was crowned MVP.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUps1zbXIAAg_3K?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

[QUOTE=tpols;14935954]I don't think you comprehended what Dank posted. That data showed the team was better with Curry ON +/- than with Lebron.

:roll:

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot.[/QUOTE]

lmaooooo

low iq moment

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14935848]LeBron did not only get outscored by Jason Terry. LeBron literally logged in 67, that’s right, 67 more minutes than Jason Terry, that is like giving LeBron game more then a free entire game and he still came up short vs an old, zero-time all-star, undersized guard, Jason Terry on the biggest stage. ([url]https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-vs-heat.html[/url])

He also left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well.) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg[/IMG]


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by John Starks.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg[/IMG]

Just one of many reasons why it is the common consensus that it is the GOAT choke. The worst choke of all time. Which immediately invalidated any conversation of being the GOAT and still to this day makes it an argument if he’s top 10.


It’s also worth mentioning that the Finals were too much for LeBron, he already had previous experience in the Finals too so it wasn’t his first time around. LeBron was in his prime at 26 and it was his second appearance….the lights were still too bright and he choked hard again. Choked even harder then the first. It’s the GOAT choke.

So that being said when it’s time to evaluate the 2012 shortened lockout season ring vs the 22 and 23 year old core of OKC…Is this ring really anything to write home about? KD was 23, Russ 23, Harden 22. All of these guys are still known for being low iq chokers in big moments even after experience.

So celebrating a win vs 22 and 23 year old low iq choke artists does not really make sense. Especially when a player supposedly as great as LeBron James was still shitting the bed on the biggest stage, even with WAY more personal experience (LeBron had more years of experience, and more finals experience) in 2011.

So if one of the best players of all time is still choking his way through his first two finals even at age 26? What’s so special about beating lesser players that were younger with even less experience? In a shortened lock out season as well.[/QUOTE]

Did you really meltdown this hard over "15-66". :roll:

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif[/IMG]

crackfan is minutes away from another KKK-themed tantrum. He's definitely about to call 1987 a "short Mexican"

[QUOTE=RRR3;14935947][IMG]https://i.ibb.co/SR2tvS6/Untitled-3.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:yaohappy:

[QUOTE=RRR3;14935961]crackfan is minutes away from another KKK-themed tantrum. He's definitely about to call 1987 a "short Mexican"[/QUOTE]

you are minutes away from calling in sick to your lame library janitor job because you have been posting on ish all night whining about lebron being exposed once again

“existence is pain”


:roll: :roll: :roll:

As a non American. If you lot seriously thought you were gonna lose without LeBron playing you are retarded.
The same goes if Curry didn't play.

We all knew we're are playing for silver and bronze

[QUOTE=dankok8;14935952]Speaking of plus minus.

Lebron ON: +84 in 147 minutes --> +27.4 per 48 minutes
Lebron OFF: +30 in 93 minutes --> +15.5 per 48 minutes

Curry ON: +86 in 140 minutes --> +29.5 per 48 minutes
Curry OFF: +28 in 100 minutes --> +13.4 per 48 minutes[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14935955]You really think I missed what he was trying to do? That is the same poster who rigged a voting against LeBron in one of his projects. I knew his intentions very well. [/QUOTE]


What do you mean what he was trying to do? Are the numbers Dank posted for the entirety of the 2024 Olympics not legit or real? You know they are so why are you playing dumb...? Or is it not playing. :lol

You said the below before.


[QUOTE]
Teams were feasting on Curry's defense throughout the entire tournament, I could only imagine how bad it would have been having both of them on the court.
[/QUOTE]


If teams were "feasting" on Curry why did he have higher +/- metrics across the board than Lebron?

+/- takes into account offense and defense. It's literally the aggregate of both sides of the floor combined telling us by how much the team outscores the opponent when whatever individual player is on the floor.

So Curry not only totally outproduced Lebron individually he also had a more positive effect on the team as a whole.

That's a double whammy. Slam dunk case.

[QUOTE=tpols;14935987]What do you mean what he was trying to do? Are the numbers Dank posted for the entirety of the 2024 Olympics not legit or real? You know they are so why are you playing dumb...? Or is it not playing. :lol

You said the below before.





If teams were "feasting" on Curry why did he have higher +/- metrics across the board than Lebron?

+/- takes into account offense and defense. It's literally the aggregate of both sides of the floor combined telling us by how much the team outscores the opponent when whatever individual player is on the floor.

So Curry not only totally outproduced Lebron individually he also had a more positive effect on the team as a whole.

That's a double whammy. Slam dunk case.[/QUOTE]

Those +/- numbers are super close, it's not largely favorable for either player. The other stats Dankok posted are clearly favoring Lebron lol.

Just give it up buddy, quit the Curry stanning. Olympics MVP doesn't even ****ing matter.

Lebron got gold. Steph got gold. Case closed.

[QUOTE=tpols;14935987]If teams were "feasting" on Curry why did he have higher +/- metrics across the board than Lebron? +/- takes into account offense and defense.[/QUOTE]

This dude really thinks "+-" tells us if someone is a good defender or not. :oldlol:

It's not about if someone is a good defender or not necessarily but it is about the aggregate of offense + defense.

If Currys defense was a huge negative like you say, that means his offense had to be straight GOAT to make up for it in the overall metric. Simple logic and math.

So that would mean Currys offense + (0 or negative) defense was > than Lebrons offense + (positive) defense, meaning Currys offense was so advanced and superior that it allowed him to surpass Lebrons combined impact on [I]both[/I] sides of the floor.

:oldlol:

And that is some crazy unreal otherworldly level offensive impact in that case.

[QUOTE=tpols;14935996]It's not about if someone is a good defender or not necessarily but it is about the aggregate of offense + defense.

If Currys defense was a huge negative like you say, that means his offense had to be straight GOAT to make up for it in the overall metric. Simple logic and math.[/QUOTE]

Shaq had a Finals game in 2001 where he put up 44 points and 20 rebounds, his +- in that game was -6.

Are you now going to say Shaq was a negative player?

LeBron outplayed Curry throughout the Olympics if you are just looking at raw numbers and actually watched the games. Curry's defense was bad, and his offense was quiet throughout the first 4 games, he exploded in the last two.

I know LeBron winning MVP has you in meltdown mode, but just move on.

That has to be the weakest pivot I've ever seen. The data Dank posted was for the entire 2024 Olympics, not some random game in the NBA from multiple decades ago.

Listen... this isn't a debate @ this point. We're trying to educate you and give you a learning experience backed with many different angles of hard evidence. I don't expect attitude for this, but gratitude instead.

This is valuable knowledge that's freely being given to you. You need to respect it.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14935990]Those +/- numbers are super close, it's not largely favorable for either player. The other stats Dankok posted are clearly favoring Lebron lol.

Just give it up buddy, quit the Curry stanning. Olympics MVP doesn't even ****ing matter.

Lebron got gold. Steph got gold. Case closed.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

It's over

[QUOTE=tpols;14936002]That has to be the weakest pivot I've ever seen. The data Dank posted was for the entire 2024 Olympics, not some random game in the NBA from multiple decades ago.

Listen... this isn't a debate @ this point. We're trying to educate you and give you a learning experience backed with many different angles of hard evidence. I don't expect attitude for this, but gratitude instead.

This is valuable knowledge that's freely being given to you. You need to respect it.[/QUOTE]

Lebron stans are losing their mind right now.

Amazing. :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936005]Lebron stans are losing their mind right now.

Amazing. :lol[/QUOTE]

I think it's pretty clear who lost their mind in this thread.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14935848]LeBron did not only get outscored by Jason Terry. LeBron literally logged in 67, that’s right, 67 more minutes than Jason Terry, that is like giving LeBron game more then a free entire game and he still came up short vs an old, zero-time all-star, undersized guard, Jason Terry on the biggest stage. ([url]https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-vs-heat.html[/url])

He also left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well.) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg[/IMG]


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by John Starks.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg[/IMG]

Just one of many reasons why it is the common consensus that it is the GOAT choke. The worst choke of all time. Which immediately invalidated any conversation of being the GOAT and still to this day makes it an argument if he’s top 10.


It’s also worth mentioning that the Finals were too much for LeBron, he already had previous experience in the Finals too so it wasn’t his first time around. LeBron was in his prime at 26 and it was his second appearance….the lights were still too bright and he choked hard again. Choked even harder then the first. It’s the GOAT choke.

So that being said when it’s time to evaluate the 2012 shortened lockout season ring vs the 22 and 23 year old core of OKC…Is this ring really anything to write home about? KD was 23, Russ 23, Harden 22. All of these guys are still known for being low iq chokers in big moments even after experience.

So celebrating a win vs 22 and 23 year old low iq choke artists does not really make sense. Especially when a player supposedly as great as LeBron James was still shitting the bed on the biggest stage, even with WAY more personal experience (LeBron had more years of experience, and more finals experience) in 2011.

So if one of the best players of all time is still choking his way through his first two finals even at age 26? What’s so special about beating lesser players that were younger with even less experience? In a shortened lock out season as well.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936006]I think it's pretty clear who lost their mind in this thread.



:roll:[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/RVZYxK7c/IMG-4049.jpg[/IMG]


You have posted over twice as much as anyone else in this thread

Seek some help lil midge. Stop doing this to yourself.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936007][IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/RVZYxK7c/IMG-4049.jpg[/IMG]


You have posted over twice as much as anyone else in this thread

Seek some help lil midge. Stop doing this to yourself.[/QUOTE]

RRR3 called it. :lol

A crackhead telling someone else to seek help. :oldlol:

Im simply having a discussion, you posted a meltdown type essay over "15-66".

Embarrassing.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936008]RRR3 called it. :lol

A crackhead telling someone else to seek help. :oldlol:

Im simply having a discussion, you posted a meltdown type essay over "15-66".

Embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/Y9vpRRk8/IMG-4050.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477431-The-Rape-Scene-in-High-Plains-Drifter[/url]

Seek mental help immediately lil midge.

How mad are you right now? You gonna ask me to meet up with you and fight like you did last time?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14896879]you are super tiny. put your money where your mouth is. name a place date or time in the city and let a ***** know. i’ll come bully your ass on camera for ish to see. Don’t be scared.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14896889]Let’s go. Lakers says he’s from east bay. Name your place and time lil midge.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14896869]i’m 6’3 and athletic and reported a dude for saying the n word hella and k blaze snitched on me. if you want to give me a time and place i’ll meet face to face with you. you can record it all live here and see what happens. let me know home boy. i’m in the city. if you are in the bay it’s a 30 min trip at most. let me know.[/QUOTE]

Mental midget. :oldlol:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?516955-Outrageous-take-or-no&p=14896879&viewfull=1#post14896879[/url]

Lots of cringe in this thread. Pretty sure Lebron and Steph give no Fs about who was more valuable.

I remember that movie. I am sure that youtube's censors are why the full scene isn't available.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14936014]I remember that movie. I am sure that youtube's censors are why the full scene isn't available.[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;Av_uKq_RhzI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av_uKq_RhzI&t[/video]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936015][video=youtube;Av_uKq_RhzI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av_uKq_RhzI&t[/video][/QUOTE]

LOL I don't remember that full scene from TV. He was pretty chill until she knocked the cigar out of his mouth.

I liked the "oblige me" scene too.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14936014][B]Lots of cringe in this thread. Pretty sure Lebron and Steph give no Fs about who was more valuable. [/B]

I remember that movie. I am sure that youtube's censors are why the full scene isn't available.[/QUOTE]

Its crazy how each players fan base tries to downplay the other to prop up their favorite player. It was amazing watching Steph, LeBron and Durant play together.

Hell, I was all for Jayson Tatum not playing while Celtics fans on social media were pissed and had some conspiracy theory as to why he wasn't playing.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936011][IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/Y9vpRRk8/IMG-4050.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477431-The-Rape-Scene-in-High-Plains-Drifter[/url]

Seek mental help immediately lil midge.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936011][IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/Y9vpRRk8/IMG-4050.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477431-The-Rape-Scene-in-High-Plains-Drifter[/url]

Seek mental help immediately lil midge.[/QUOTE]

:yaohappy:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936008]RRR3 called it. :lol

A crackhead telling someone else to seek help. :oldlol:

Im simply having a discussion, you posted a meltdown type essay over "15-66".

Embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

What is the 15-66 business, a lot like 1-9?

Curry was amazing.

LeBron did his thing as well.

But the two most important games belonged to Curry.

What a historic performance.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14935848]LeBron did not only get outscored by Jason Terry. LeBron literally logged in 67, that’s right, 67 more minutes than Jason Terry, that is like giving LeBron game more then a free entire game and he still came up short vs an old, zero-time all-star, undersized guard, Jason Terry on the biggest stage. ([URL]https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-vs-heat.html[/URL])

He also left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well.) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg[/IMG]


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by John Starks.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg[/IMG]

Just one of many reasons why it is the common consensus that it is the GOAT choke. The worst choke of all time. Which immediately invalidated any conversation of being the GOAT and still to this day makes it an argument if he’s top 10.


It’s also worth mentioning that the Finals were too much for LeBron, he already had previous experience in the Finals too so it wasn’t his first time around. LeBron was in his prime at 26 and it was his second appearance….the lights were still too bright and he choked hard again. Choked even harder then the first. It’s the GOAT choke.

So that being said when it’s time to evaluate the 2012 shortened lockout season ring vs the 22 and 23 year old core of OKC…Is this ring really anything to write home about? KD was 23, Russ 23, Harden 22. All of these guys are still known for being low iq chokers in big moments even after experience.

So celebrating a win vs 22 and 23 year old low iq choke artists does not really make sense. Especially when a player supposedly as great as LeBron James was still shitting the bed on the biggest stage, even with WAY more personal experience (LeBron had more years of experience, and more finals experience) in 2011.

So if one of the best players of all time is still choking his way through his first two finals even at age 26? What’s so special about beating lesser players that were younger with even less experience? In a shortened lock out season as well.[/QUOTE]

Excellent post. I had no idea LeEPO logged so many more minutes.

I'd add to this - agree about the 2007 Finals. He shot 35% and 22 PPG with what, 6 turnovers per game? First two rounds were against .500 teams (41-41) so only really his play vs. an older Detroit team without Ben Wallace was impressive.

LeRoids averaged 27 PPG for the season, but dropped a full 5 points per game in his choke-fest first finals. I watched these finals live in 2007 (was rooting for him at the time) and rewatched them recently. Dude couldn't hit a damn bucket for an entire series. And before people counter with how young he was, he'd had FOUR full seasons in the league at that point.

What did other All-time greats do at age 21? Jordan, College Ring under his belt. Magic, FMVP in '80. KAJ multiple college rings. Hell Kawhi was the FMVP at 21 vs. LeFraud.

2007 was the first complete embarrassment followed by many years of "huge fail" or to your point, the 2012 lockout season "meh" ring or Ray Allen winning him one in 2013.

It's all a bunch of nonsense.

Absolutely enjoyed Curry's performance in the Olympics :applause:

Steph was great the last 2 games and Lebron was great throughout. I actually enjoyed rooting for Steph for once and his last minutes of the gold medal game will be my lasting memory of these Olympics. That was fun.