Both Kareem and McHale can play from the high post dummy. I'll draft another SF that can shoot too.
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Both Kareem and McHale can play from the high post dummy. I'll draft another SF that can shoot too.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14936676]Dat spacing :roll:
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When I first glanced at that lineup, I thought to myself "That's some pretty nice high end talent", then I had a second look and was like "Oh damn, the spacing needs some work". :lol
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936681]Both Kareem and McHale can play from the high post dummy. I'll draft another SF that can shoot too.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if you take McHale off the block he brings no more value than a Laettner, which still isn’t awful I guess. McHale was a super underrated defender though, I can see him being a switch everything guy in the modern league but not sure how much that’d move voters.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936692]Yeah, but if you take McHale off the block he brings no more value than a Laettner, which still isn’t awful I guess. McHale was a super underrated defender though, I can see him being a switch everything guy in the modern league but not sure how much that’d move voters.[/QUOTE]
Yep. McHale is one of the most versatile defenders ever as well as a great paint protector. Besides Kareem and McHale taking turns at 60% efficiency near the rim is hardly a bad thing. CP3/Kobe + whatever SF I draft will provide the outside shooting and plenty of it at that.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936701]Yep. McHale is one of the most versatile defenders ever as well as a great paint protector. Besides Kareem and McHale taking turns at 60% efficiency near the rim is hardly a bad thing. CP3/Kobe + whatever SF I draft will provide the outside shooting and plenty of it at that.[/QUOTE]
Kobe wasn't a good 3PT shooter and CP3 is fairly low volume/prefers midrange.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936445]Kobe[/QUOTE]
Auto ban to take Kobe this early. Sickening, really. Squandered opportunity.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936672]Ahh it's me again.
Kevin McHale
Kareem
McHale
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Kobe
CP3[/QUOTE]
You have the worst team by far. You do realize you're trying to assembly a team that WINS games, yes?
[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14936709]Auto ban to take Kobe this early. Sickening, really. Squandered opportunity.[/QUOTE]
People picking guys like Klay or Rookie wemby over peak MVP Charles Barkley is probably the most egregious thing I see here. Absolute insanity.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14936702]Kobe wasn't a good 3PT shooter and CP3 is fairly low volume/prefers midrange.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't a good shooter or took tough shots? On this team, he will have a low usage and ball will go into the post first and then come out when Kareem or McHale get doubled. Kobe is gonna shoot very well on open threes. And CP3 shoots 37% on 4 attempts a game for his career. Over 40% on open threes per tracking data.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936713]Wasn't a good shooter or took tough shots? On this team, he will have a low usage and ball will go into the post first and then come out when Kareem or McHale get doubled. Kobe is gonna shoot very well on open threes. And CP3 shoots 37% on 4 attempts a game for his career. Over 40% on open threes per tracking data.[/QUOTE]
Chris Paul and Kobe are two of the best shooting superstar guards of all time. And Kareem had range on his skyhook out to 18 feet. A nice 3nD SF and you might have the best team out here so far.
I'll take Kyrie.
This gives me another elite 3pt shooter, but also an elite shot creator which compliments Klay. Bird and Giannis bring enough playmaking to the table, so Irving's responsibilities are to space the floor and knock down 3s, midrange, and create when needed. Perfect guy for that.
Tatum
[QUOTE=tpols;14936712]People picking guys like Klay or Rookie wemby over peak MVP Charles Barkley is probably the most egregious thing I see here. Absolute insanity.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t take Klay over Barkley to build a franchise around, but as my 3rd or 4th option? Klay all day. You can replicate Barkley, Kobe etc all at some level; but a catch and shoot scorer who happens to be a top 3-5 deep range shooter ever who can microwave to the tune of 20-30 point quarters and can play defense is way too unique.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936742]I wouldn’t take Klay over Barkley to build a franchise around, but as my 3rd or 4th option? Klay all day. You can replicate Barkley, Kobe etc all at some level; but a catch and shoot scorer who happens to be a top 3-5 deep range shooter ever who can microwave to the tune of 20-30 point quarters and can play defense is way too unique.[/QUOTE]
Tpols is a moron lol. But yeah, klay is such a perfect off-ball compliment to other stars I'm honestly surprised he fell to me. Giannis is basically a taller, more athletic, better passing version of Barkley on offense with elite DPOY level defense to match. People are passing on Barkley because he couldn't defend.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936742]I wouldn’t take Klay over Barkley to build a franchise around, but as my 3rd or 4th option? Klay all day. You can replicate Barkley, Kobe etc all at some level; but a catch and shoot scorer who happens to be a top 3-5 deep range shooter ever who can microwave to the tune of 20-30 point quarters and can play defense is way too unique.[/QUOTE]
In today's league there are so many guys who can hit the 3 and play defense that it's not an anomaly anymore. Jrue Holiday shot better from 3 this year than Steph Curry. And was better in the 2024 Finals than peak Klay.
That wasn't a late pick... it was an early one. 1993 peak MVP Charles Barkley was almost MJ level who was apparently banned from this contest. To have him get blanked for such inferior talent is a joke.
You guys just don't know ball.
Luka
I will take TRACY MCGRADY
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936742]I wouldn’t take Klay over Barkley to build a franchise around, but as my 3rd or 4th option? Klay all day. You can replicate Barkley, Kobe etc all at some level; but a catch and shoot scorer who happens to be a top 3-5 deep range shooter ever who can microwave to the tune of 20-30 point quarters and can play defense is way too unique.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936745]Tpols is a moron lol. But yeah, klay is such a perfect off-ball compliment to other stars I'm honestly surprised he fell to me. Giannis is basically a taller, more athletic, better passing version of Barkley on offense with elite DPOY level defense to match. People are passing on Barkley because he couldn't defend.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=tpols;14936753]In today's league there are so many guys who can hit the 3 and play defense that it's not an anomaly anymore. Jrue Holiday shot better from 3 this year than Steph Curry. And was better in the 2024 Finals than peak Klay.
That wasn't a late pick... it was an early one. 1993 peak MVP Charles Barkley was almost MJ level who was apparently banned from this contest. To have him get blanked for such inferior talent is a joke.
You guys just don't know ball.[/QUOTE]
Barkley's value takes a hit in all-time drafts imo. As an individual talent, you could argue him over a good amount of the players taken so far. But pairing him with 2-3 other ATG players, his game is simply not as complimentary as the other players who've been selected. Guys like Dirk & KG would mesh with virtually any lineup, I don't see another team that Barkley would make better so far.
What did you expect AltAcct to do with his roster, are you really pairing Barkley next to Giannis & Bird :lol Klay provides more value for his team, he doesn't need to possess the ball, he's on the Mt Rushmore of 3 point shooters, he plays good defense. Tell me which team you think Barkley would make better so far, which player would you swap him out with that improves the lineup.
I don't know if you're under the impression Charles Barkley was a bad shooter but he wasn't. He had an automatic midrange jumper and was one of the most efficient jump shooters ever and more efficient than Klay easily.
Another player you guys need to scoop up real quick is MVP 1998 Karl Malone. But I guess he sucks too. :oldlol: :facepalm
And Pat Ewing. These 3 were better than a handful of previous selections by a long shot.
Filling out the team with Jrue Holiday and Derrick White role players is easy to do late in the draft.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14936760]Barkley's value takes a hit in all-time drafts imo. As an individual talent, you could argue him over a good amount of the players taken so far. But pairing him with 2-3 other ATG players, his game is simply not as complimentary as the other players who've been selected. Guys like Dirk & KG would mesh with virtually any lineup, I don't see another team that Barkley would make better so far.
What did you expect AltAcct to do with his roster, are you really pairing Barkley next to Giannis & Bird :lol Klay provides more value for his team, he doesn't need to possess the ball, he's on the Mt Rushmore of 3 point shooters, he plays good defense. Tell me which team you think Barkley would make better so far, which player would you swap him out with that improves the lineup.[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't have engaged him lol. He's literally retarded and is now trying to ruin the thread. Peak autism.
tpols is so dimwitted, bro simply doesn't understand basketball :roll:
Manny on the clock
I actually see Barkley as a great piece if you already have enough shooting & defense. Maybe a bench piece, Instant offense.
Yes I'm picking Barkley as I think him and Jokic compliment each other very well offensively and instead of running a traditional point guard im going to run Manu Ginobli as my point guard
PG - Manu
SG - Allen
SF - Pippen
PF - Barkley
C - Jokic
[QUOTE=Manny98;14936787]Yes I'm picking Barkley as I think him and Jokic compliment each other very well offensively and instead of running a traditional point guard im going to run Manu Ginobli as my point guard
PG - Manu
SG - Allen
SF - Pippen
PF - Barkley
C - Jokic[/QUOTE]
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Manny has a double pick no?
But yea Barkley is a great player. I see the issue of fit and him being a defensive liability but it depends on the roster as well.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936793]Manny has a double pick no? [/QUOTE]
He picked Manu as well.
I will take VINCE CARTER.
My starting 5 is:
Nash
Vince
Tmac
Dirk
Shaq
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Manny saying **** interior defense and spacing for Jokic. :lol interesting strategy
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936800]Manny saying **** interior defense and spacing for Jokic. :lol interesting strategy[/QUOTE]
I have enough spacing on my team and I'm aware my interior defense is lacking but I still have 3 picks remaining to solve that
Barkley clearly proved on the Olympic team that it doesn't matter how many stars you put around him he will do his thing. It probably amplifies his game if anything because he's not ball dominant in the half court and he's an ATG fast break player in his peak.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14936812]Barkley clearly proved on the Olympic team that it doesn't matter how many stars you put around him he will do his thing. It probably amplifies his game if anything because he's not ball dominant in the half court and he's an ATG fast break player in his peak.[/QUOTE]
It proves he could feast on horrible competition in games with zero pressure for sure.
Most teams in here have multiple all-time great defenders in the paint. Plus the defensive side is where the concerns are, because again you have all-time greats on the interior to deal with. Plenty of great scorers to go around.
Barkley is the best offensive power forward ever IMO. His defensive shortcomings are completely overblown in this setting - it's not a requirement to have an All NBA defender at PF to beat another great team.
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Dwight is still available right? Pat Ewing? Pairing them mitigates a lot of defensive concerns. I'm not even a fan of the guy he's a bitch but Embiid + Barkley combo is as deadly as you're going to get on offense and Embiid in his peak was a monster on defense.
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[QUOTE=Carbine;14936816]Barkley is the best offensive power forward ever IMO. His defensive shortcomings are completely overblown in this setting - it's not a requirement to have an All NBA defender at PF to beat another great team.
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Dwight is still available right? Pat Ewing? Pairing them mitigates a lot of defensive concerns. I'm not even a fan of the guy he's a bitch but Embiid + Barkley combo is as deadly as you're going to get on offense and Embiid in his peak was a monster on defense.
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Post defense matters quite a bit in this context.. it is literally the best players of all time at every position so any interior defensive weakness is magnified. Barkley also doesn't provide spacing on offense, so I can understand not wanting to pair him with a traditional big like most teams on here have.
Having the greatest scorer at every position isn't really the goal. Its about optimizing fit.
Also Giannis averaged 35/13/5 on 66% in the finals en route to a dominant fmvp run. I would say he peaked higher than chuck offensively.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936800]Manny saying **** interior defense and spacing for Jokic. :lol interesting strategy[/QUOTE]
Your perimeter defense is awful and you have probably the least talented team so far
[QUOTE=Manny98;14936824]Your perimeter defense is awful and you have probably the least talented team so far[/QUOTE]
Considering your team is awful and assembled in the worst manner possible I'm glad you think this. It means I have one of the best teams.
Klay is a plus defender, Bird was excellent, and Giannis can switch on to anyone. Your bball IQ is very low
This is very entertaining. Loving the roast party.
Just my 2 cents, but prime Klay is for sure a plus defender. As for Bird, it depends on where you play him, if you play him at SF, his man to man defense can be pretty mediocre. Overall, he's a very good help/team defender who's better at defending PFs.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936825]Considering your team is awful and assembled in the worst manner possible I'm glad you think this. It means I have one of the best teams.
Klay is a plus defender, Bird was excellent, and Giannis can switch on to anyone. Your bball IQ is very low[/QUOTE]
Klay is the most overrated defender ever, he's always been a negative on that end, Jokic and Barkley are going to feast against your interior
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936826]This is very entertaining. Loving the roast party.
Just my 2 cents, but prime Klay is for sure a plus defender. As for Bird, it depends on where you play him, if you play him at SF, his man to man defense can be pretty mediocre. Overall, he's a very good help/team defender who's better at defending PFs.[/QUOTE]
Bird,Kyrie and Klay defending your perimeter
Yikes :oldlol:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936826]This is very entertaining. Loving the roast party.
Just my 2 cents, but prime Klay is for sure a plus defender. As for Bird, it depends on where you play him, if you play him at SF, his man to man defense can be pretty mediocre. Overall, he's a very good help/team defender who's better at man to man vs PFs.[/QUOTE]
Pretty amusing a guy with manu/Allen as his backcourt is talking about perimeter defense. I also out-talent him at every position except his 1st overall pick :oldlol: dude has one good defender on his roster and only one 3 point shooter. Couldn't surround Jokic with a worse cast if you tried
But yes Bird wasn't elite 1v1, but excelled as a help defender. But 1v1 he can definitely hold his own.