Who knew that Buddy could've replaced Klay & been called an all-timer instead of Klay

Hield has been good, though, since college?

Klay is better, but it's not a huge drop off. Maybe on D? He isn't getting you 40 in one quarter or whatever Klay did, but he is a legit star. It's amazing they got him, but I guess he is old now.

Klay was never an all nba guy imo, but the value of a true 3 and D role player is super high.

There are plenty of people, including Bron, MJ, Shaq... (etc) who never played with a guy like Klay. I was gonna say Hakeem, but I think he's about the same as Sam Cassell on a great team (if you take away PG ability, just making the right decision in the half court.)

-Smak

It’s impressive tpols is able to use a computer given how stupid he is ngl

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14961533]From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.[/QUOTE]


Curry had a 60% TS for the series averaging 30/6/5. He was 54-57 from the foul line.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14961533]From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty much impossible to be bricking everything when youre averaging 31/6/5 on Curry's volume. Those are like... late 90s MJ numbers. And Torontos defense was super elite keyed in on him.

[QUOTE=tpols;14961539]It's pretty much impossible to be bricking everything when youre averaging 31/6/5 on Curry's volume. [B]Those are like... late 90s MJ numbers[/B]. And Torontos defense was super elite keyed in on him.[/QUOTE]

Oh come on…

[QUOTE=tontoz;14961538]Curry had a 60% TS for the series averaging 30/6/5. He was 54-57 from the foul line.[/QUOTE]

TS% factors in free throws which helped overall TS%. I haven't even looked at the raw numbers, but from what I remember, Curry was bricking a good chunk of his shot attempts while Klay seemed like he was hitting everything.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14961545]TS% factors in free throws which helped overall TS%. I haven't even looked at the raw numbers, but from what I remember, Curry was bricking a good chunk of his shot attempts while Klay seemed like he was hitting everything.[/QUOTE]


Free throws count as points too. The fact that he got there 57 times just shows how much the defense was focused on him. He usually doesn't get to the line a lot.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14961533]From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.[/QUOTE]

You also think the moon is a spaceship.

[QUOTE=tpols;14961528]It's not really that far fetched when you look at the actual production. Klay simply didn't show up a lot in the playoffs when the warriors really needed him outside of the 2016 WCFs.

Shit the bed in the 2015 Finals and needed Iggy to replace his impact, shit the bed in the 2016 Finals and if he even shot just slightly below average they'd have won, was inconsequential in the Durant years, and then shit the bed in the 2022 Finals and needed Wiggins of all people to step into the 2nd option role while also guarding and locking down the other teams best player in Tatum.

The winning spotlight clearly elevated the publics perception of Klay. He'd be a 20 ppg borderline All Star on any other team. Like Bradley Beal level but even Beal had a higher ceiling and was capable of doing 30/5/5. More bag and handles for sure.[/QUOTE]

You know you're down bad when you quote 3ball propaganda like the "winning spotlight" clown shit. Klay has been a 20ppg sidekick on a dynasty for a nice chunk of his career. Buddy not so much. And while a completely agree. Buddy is an elite shooter, Klay is a legendary shooter. There's levels to this and I can't stand Klay lol. You can show similar numbers but the way Klay can get hot like only a few ever to play is a big ace to have up your sleeve in any series. Klays defense was respected without being an elite level defender. Buddy? Never really heard anything about him besides how he can shoot the ball. With Buddy we're talking a player who can occasionally get 30 and on his best night of his career 40, Klay is a threat for 40 points and on the best night of his life put up like 60 in 30 min or some crazy shit like that. Klay Thompson is a hall of famer, that other guy isnt.

[QUOTE=tpols;14961528]It's not really that far fetched when you look at the actual production. Klay simply didn't show up a lot in the playoffs when the warriors really needed him outside of the 2016 WCFs.

Shit the bed in the 2015 Finals and needed Iggy to replace his impact, shit the bed in the 2016 Finals and if he even shot just slightly below average they'd have won, was inconsequential in the Durant years, and then shit the bed in the 2022 Finals and needed Wiggins of all people to step into the 2nd option role while also guarding and locking down the other teams best player in Tatum.

The winning spotlight clearly elevated the publics perception of Klay. He'd be a 20 ppg borderline All Star on any other team. Like Bradley Beal level but even Beal had a higher ceiling and was capable of doing 30/5/5. More bag and handles for sure.[/QUOTE]
The warriors should have won game 3 of the 2019 finals then if you think that klay was awful and didn't contribute properly whatsoever. Also if i were you, i'd do well to remember that the warriors missed the playoffs in '20 and '21 as well due to his full absence from playing in the two seasons involved.

[QUOTE=Axe;14961577]The warriors should have won game 3 of the 2019 finals then if you think that klay was awful and didn't contribute properly whatsoever. Also if i were you, i'd do well to remember that the warriors missed the playoffs in '20 and '21 as well due to his full absence from playing in the two seasons involved.[/QUOTE]


Wrong. They missed the playoffs in 2020 because Steph only played 5 games. They missed the playoffs in 21 because the play in was created. If the play in wasn't created the warriors would have made the playoffs.

And the warriors couldn't win the play-ins (aka losers bracket) at all with klay missing bt. They actually have the distinction of being the first team to lose b2b games there. :ohwell:

[QUOTE=tontoz;14961580]Wrong. They missed the playoffs in 2020 because Steph only played 5 games. They missed the playoffs in 21 because the play in was created. If the play in wasn't created the warriors would have made the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Steph was able to return that season but decided not to and GS purposely tanked the season.

[QUOTE=Axe;14961581]And the warriors couldn't win the play-ins (aka losers bracket) at all with klay missing bt. They actually have the distinction of being the first team to lose b2b games there. :ohwell:[/QUOTE]


Lebron ran when his teammates got old, while Curry won with old Klay..

Specifically, Lebron ran when Wade, Bosh, or Love barely got as old as 2nd three-peat Pippen, while Curry and MJ won with old Klay or Pippen... It's a stark contrast... MJ and Curry won with less supporting talent because their skillset of highly-assisted jumpshooting produces better chemistry.

Meh. 1-9.

Scram now, you naughty piece of shit.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14961594]Lebron ran when his teammates got old, while Curry won with old Klay..

Specifically, Lebron ran when Wade, Bosh, or Love barely got as old as 2nd three-peat Pippen, while Curry and MJ won with old Klay or Pippen... It's a stark contrast... MJ and Curry won with less supporting talent because their skillset of highly-assisted jumpshooting produces better chemistry.[/QUOTE]
Deflection from the fact you were dead wrong in the OP. Address that coward.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14961583]Steph was able to return that season but decided not to and GS purposely tanked the season.[/QUOTE]

And what did they get for it? Wiseman, a complete bust. But they won another title anyway.

For the record Steph was a MVP finalist in 21, without Klay.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14961602]But they won another title anyway.[/QUOTE]
During the season which also coincided with klay's return to playing. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Axe;14961603]During the season which also coincided with klay's return to playing. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


They had the best record in the league at 29-9 before Klay played his first game. They had a better record without him than with him

Sure, uncle. But you can't ignore that they had him playing once the postseason in 2022 started.

[QUOTE=Axe;14961607]Sure, uncle. But you can't ignore that they had him playing once the postseason in 2022 started.[/QUOTE]

He was probably their 4th best player in the postseason behind Steph, Wiggins and Poole.

Well, given that he had an acl injury that made him miss two seasons completely due to a rather long recovery, you certainly can't blame him. Can you? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Axe;14961611]Well, given that he had an acl injury that made him miss two seasons completely due to a rather long recovery, you certainly can't blame him. Can you? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

I am not blaming him, but if I did it wouldn't be as dumb as you giving him credit for them making the playoffs. He only played 32 games and they were better without him.

Whatever. We still have yet to see chef gerbil make it to the playoffs without him, something that didn't happen after he was sidelined before for two years.

[QUOTE=Axe;14961620]Whatever. We still have yet to see chef gerbil make it to the playoffs without him, something that didn't happen after he was sidelined before for two years.[/QUOTE]


They had the 8 seed without him in spite of injuries to other players too.

Yes uncle. But they were still huge victims to the play-ins aka losers bracket. Curse you, pandemic.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14961594]Lebron ran when his teammates got old, while Curry won with old Klay..

Specifically, Lebron ran when Wade, Bosh, or Love barely got as old as 2nd three-peat Pippen, while Curry and MJ won with old Klay or Pippen... It's a stark contrast... MJ and Curry won with less supporting talent because their skillset of highly-assisted jumpshooting produces better chemistry.[/QUOTE]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and..dodge.

Much appreciated :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14961664]Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and..dodge.

Much appreciated :lol[/QUOTE]
Genuinely funny he doesn’t get that he’d get people to actually spend time arguing with him (what he desperately wants) if he occasionally admitted he was wrong. Instead he just gets trolled.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14961602]And what did they get for it? Wiseman, a complete bust. But they won another title anyway.

For the record Steph was a MVP finalist in 21, without Klay.[/QUOTE]

Still doesn't change the fact he willfully sat out to tank instead of trying to overcome the circumstances.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14961700]Still doesn't change the fact he willfully sat out to tank instead of trying to overcome the circumstances.[/QUOTE]

That isn't a fact at all. Steph actually did come back but the season was cut short due to covid. He played on March 5 and the season was cancelled a few days later

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202003050GSW.html[/url]

What is a fact is that Steph was a MVP finalist the following year without Klay.

I wonder how people would feel about him if he did win the mvp during that year while missing the playoffs at the same time. Must be hilarious, i could imagine.

[QUOTE=Axe;14961756]I wonder how people would feel about him if he did win the mvp during that year while missing the playoffs at the same time.[/QUOTE]


They would have thought that they won enough games to be in the playoffs, and then Steph dropped about 80 points in the two play in games.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14961503]3ball genuinely can't process value in basketball outside of scoring, and thinks if two players average the same ppg they're equally as good, which is why his takes are always so bad.[/QUOTE]


Thats a perfect summary of 3ball.

Explains a lot of things and spares everyone of a lot of involved time.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14961702]That isn't a fact at all. Steph actually did come back but the season was cut short due to covid. He played on March 5 and the season was cancelled a few days later

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202003050GSW.html[/url]

What is a fact is that Steph was a MVP finalist the following year without Klay.[/QUOTE]

The injury happened in October and the normal healing time would've been before Christmas. He was sitting out when able to play.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14961986]The injury happened in October and the normal healing time would've been before Christmas. He was sitting out when able to play.[/QUOTE]

So why did he come back and play in March when they had a 14-48 record?

Buddy's stats since OP made this thread:

10 PPG. 38 FG%. 33 3PT%

:lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14955786]Only 8 points for Hield tonight, 3 points the game before.

He started the season shooting 50% from 3, that is obviously not sustainable. This will not end well for OP.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/jzyxbbQnrRsAAAAM/michael-jordan-chicago-bulls-versus-portland-trail-blazers.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14972301]Buddy's stats since OP made this thread:

10 PPG. 38 FG%. 33 3PT%

:lol[/QUOTE]


When Buddy was providing Curry with the measly 19 PPG that Curry needs to win, the Warriors did look unbeatable again.

It shows how little Curry needs to win titles - just a 20 PPG sidekick, while Lebron needs opposing franchise players at sidekick that made the Finals without him (Wade, Kyrie, Love).

It's a pretty big difference... So guys like Curry and Kobe are better than ball-dominators like Lebron that needs far more help to win and never won with secondary producers like Klay

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972305]When Buddy was providing Curry with the measly 19 PPG that Curry needs to win, the Warriors did look unbeatable again.

It shows how little Curry needs to win titles - just a 20 PPG sidekick, while Lebron needs opposing franchise players at sidekick that made the Finals without him (Wade, Kyrie, Love).[/QUOTE]

Is that why the Warriors missed the playoffs in 2021 with Curry playing out of his mind while having a 19 PPG sidekick in Wiggins?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14972309]Is that why the Warriors missed the playoffs in 2021 with Curry playing out of his mind while having a 19 PPG sidekick in Wiggins?[/QUOTE]


Curry won with Wiggins at 19 PPG

Lebron could never win with Wiggins and literally rejected Wiggins, so Curry won with Lebron's reject

Listen to Nick Wright destroy Wiggins in 2020:

[url]https://m.youtube.com/shorts/TRPJspmjTL4[/url]