Trump kicks Zelensky out of the White House.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14982381]It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.[/QUOTE]

There will be plenty of Trump's coming soon to Europe. The youth there are increasingly becoming more right wing. That should be worrying because the youth should always be more liberal, most will inherently become even more right wing as they age

[QUOTE=diamenz;14982384]like i said in the other thread, there's no evidence to suggest that putin has ambitions beyond ukraine (or even taking the [I]entirety [/I]of ukraine). putin has neither the military nor the economy to undertake a task of that a scale. do you realize how many millions of troops he would need to not only conquer but occupy these eastern european countries? he would need well over a million alone just for ukraine. i'm sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. show me the evidence and make a case for it because i'm open to listening. i've made my case for nato expansion a number of times and provided a timeline of events to back it up.

what we should be doing is normalizing relations with russia and in the process driving a wedge between them and china. china is our real peer competitor - it's not russia.[/QUOTE]

I replied to that already. He openly made threats to a handfull of countries, but that, as you say, is not as worrisome as his "softpower" through vassals and online influence.

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14982385]There will be plenty of Trump's coming soon to Europe. The youth there are increasingly becoming more right wing. That should be worrying because the youth should always be more liberal, most will inherently become even more right wing as they age[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Europe is in the 1920s phase all over again.

[QUOTE=Jasper;14982305][video=youtube;1S2jxEi7TBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2jxEi7TBs[/video]

Trump fixing the war in 24 hours ....

:roll::roll::roll:[/QUOTE]




7:25 mark is Comedy Gold.

"What if anything... What if a bomb drops on your head right now"


wow... that was good.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14982388]Yeah, Europe is in the 1920s phase all over again.[/QUOTE]
And history will remember people on media moderator's side just as badly as they remembered them last time. But they're too stupid to realize this.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14982243]This is the most real open talk among politicians Ive ever seen.


Goat.[/QUOTE]

I hope I’m wrong but I really don’t understand why a German would be watching this thinking it’s cute. If shit hits the fan, which it very well seems it is. Germany will be Russia’s end game to the war this is about to start.

Germany will be the prize. They invade Poland, terrorize Finland, and try to stomp through Romania and co, but Germany is the end game.

Germany doesn’t even have nukes. They almost certainly look to get their own arsenal at this rate. Which is almost certainly going to make the planet tremendously more dangerous.

It’s insane the regression Trump has caused geopolitically. And insane how stupid and comfortable people are taking world peace for granted.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982356]sure. much in the same way that inviting over someone to dinner and ambushing them with low brow questions and attacking them verbally.

the rest of the world will see this and will be driven away from meeting trump in the white house. this is actually terrible for the US. it's tarnishing the reputation of the white house's history for making deals with foreign leaders and businesses.[/QUOTE]

The Biden admin gaslighted this war. Sold them all kinds of cheap weapons to kick it off and now (3y later) US pulls all the way back. Even insults the former client as a fake tough guy. The Americans are just as bad as the Russians when it comes to reliability.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14982374]i'm not quite sure what a lot of you guys are arguing for at this point. ukraine has no chance of winning this war short of us putting troops on the ground. in that scenario, if we were to begin to pushing putin back and ultimately taking back ukraine, putin would use the threat of nuclear attacks against ukraine because moscow sees this conflict as being existential to their country. so this is a lose/lose situation for ukraine and it may as well end now while, as trump said, zelensky still has somewhat of a country left. we never should have gotten ukraine into this mess. this is OUR fault (as well as europe's).

so if you're arguing for more war, you're just arguing for more death and destruction with zero return on investment. it's over.[/QUOTE]

So, what is the end game then? Russia just takes over the planet by threatening to suicide bomb the world?

Are you people ****ing stupid? You don’t negotiate with terrorists. Moron ****ing Trump who’s never learned foreign policy a day in his life, doesn’t understand this and is free styling the ****ing thing and treating it like it’s a shitty low level business deal. ****ing minerals.

Russia has violated so many agreements, ceasefire after ceasefire, committed countless crimes in every possible way you can imagine. There is no ****ing peace deal with them.

And if you just give them Ukraine, guess what **** nuts? They will be bordering 5 MORE NATO countries through their annexation of Ukraine. Which kind of defeats this whole bullshit argument about NATO being a ‘threat’. Their incursion is only getting closer to NATO. Realistically, Russia is blatantly an imperialistic shithole country full of weak, low character individuals(much like US conservatives), that is on a death race for world domination one way or another. And placating them for a few years, and allowing them to rebuild is a guaranteed disaster for the planet.

[QUOTE=brownmamba00;14982451]The Biden admin gaslighted this war. Sold them all kinds of cheap weapons to kick it off and now (3y later) US pulls all the way back. Even insults the former client as a fake tough guy. The Americans are just as bad as the Russians when it comes to reliability.[/QUOTE]

the past is not lost on me, trust me. but this trump bullying ukraine into giving up their land and minerals is no better than the biden directive. and i openly criticized our involvement and "aid" of ukraine during the biden admin. doing putin's dirty legwork feels extremely wrong. also feels wrong to publicly ambush another world leader, tweet that a deal has been before it has only to apply pressure on zelensky, etc. all that sh1t is classic manipulation, and it's a textbook bullying. there's absolutely zero diplomacy in their approach, vance should shut da fukk up trying to talk how zelensky should be more diplomatic...seriously? the entire administration is a circus with no thought, appreciation, or intention of being diplomatic.

[QUOTE=999Guy;14982453][B]So, what is the end game then? Russia just takes over the planet by threatening to suicide bomb the world?[/B]

Are you people ****ing stupid? You don’t negotiate with terrorists. Moron ****ing Trump who’s never learned foreign policy a day in his life, doesn’t understand this and is free styling the ****ing thing and treating it like it’s a shitty low level business deal. ****ing minerals.

Russia has violated so many agreements, ceasefire after ceasefire, committed countless crimes in every possible way you can imagine. There is no ****ing peace deal with them.

And if you just give them Ukraine, guess what **** nuts? They will be bordering 5 MORE NATO countries through their annexation of Ukraine. Which kind of defeats this whole bullshit argument about NATO being a ‘threat’. Their incursion is only getting closer to NATO. Realistically, Russia is blatantly an imperialistic shithole country full of weak, low character individuals(much like US conservatives), that is on a death race for world domination one way or another. And placating them for a few years, and allowing them to rebuild is a guaranteed disaster for the planet.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

This guy is peak mental illness

[QUOTE=RRR3;14982411]And history will remember people on media moderator's side just as badly as they remembered them last time. But they're too stupid to realize this.[/QUOTE]

You don't know WTF you're talking about. You stand for nothing. You certainly don't have solutions or contributions. Whether the world goes left or right, up or down, people like you will be worthless slugs on the sidelines offering us nothing

Vance is stupid. His face is more punchable than Trump. I wish Zelensky challenge him to a boxing match

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982455]the past is not lost on me, trust me. but this trump bullying ukraine into giving up their land and minerals is no better than the biden directive. and i openly criticized our involvement and "aid" of ukraine during the biden admin. doing putin's dirty legwork feels extremely wrong. also feels wrong to publicly ambush another world leader, tweet that a deal has been before it has only to apply pressure on zelensky, etc. all that sh1t is classic manipulation, and it's a textbook bullying. there's absolutely zero diplomacy in their approach, vance should shut da fukk up trying to talk how zelensky should be more diplomatic...seriously? the entire administration is a circus with no thought, appreciation, or intention of being diplomatic.[/QUOTE]



Highwey can't be taken seriously. He expects the US to watch trade deficits expand without doing anything. Watch basically unchecked illegal immigration without doing anything. Let the US be a doormat for the rest of the world without getting anything back in return. He cries like baby, and offers no solutions or compromises. He's like the worst girlfriend you can possibly have.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;14982466]Vance is stupid. His face is more punchable than Trump. I wish Zelensky challenge him to a boxing match[/QUOTE]

This guy reminds me of a growling Chihuahua

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14982471]This guy reminds me of a growling Chihuahua[/QUOTE]

I'll personally surgically remove Donald Trump's dick from your butt. Did Trump gave you a job? You worthless bum

[QUOTE=Lebron23;14982474]I'll personally surgically remove Donald Trump's dick from your butt. Did Trump gave you a job? You worthless bum[/QUOTE]

Calm down baldy. I will personally go over to your hut and Anchorman Jack Black punt your ass to Taiwan

I hate Bullies. JD Vance looks like the kid who got bullied in high school and became a bully in college.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;14982479]I hate Bullies. JD Vance looks like the kid who got bullied in high school and became a bully in college.[/QUOTE]

yep

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk56IEobQAYe29_?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

:yaohappy:

[QUOTE=Lebron23;14982479]I hate Bullies. JD Vance looks like the kid who got bullied in high school and became a bully in college.[/QUOTE]

You are tough enough to hang around in ISH, which is full of bullies. Not bad.

[QUOTE=999Guy;14982453]So, what is the end game then? Russia just takes over the planet by threatening to suicide bomb the world?

[B]Are you people ****ing stupid?[/B] You don’t negotiate with terrorists. Moron ****ing Trump who’s never learned foreign policy a day in his life, doesn’t understand this and is free styling the ****ing thing and treating it like it’s a shitty low level business deal. ****ing minerals.

Russia has violated so many agreements, ceasefire after ceasefire, committed countless crimes in every possible way you can imagine. There is no ****ing peace deal with them.

And if you just give them Ukraine, guess what **** nuts? They will be bordering 5 MORE NATO countries through their annexation of Ukraine. Which kind of defeats this whole bullshit argument about NATO being a ‘threat’. Their incursion is only getting closer to NATO. Realistically, Russia is blatantly an imperialistic shithole country full of weak, low character individuals(much like US conservatives), that is on a death race for world domination one way or another. And placating them for a few years, and allowing them to rebuild is a guaranteed disaster for the planet.[/QUOTE]

This. And also bad-faith trolls.

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14982349]Let's say you're right. Vance is still just the VP. Even if you hate Trump, you have to admit Zelensky was incredibly stupid to draw the ire of Trump by promising him that our country will be invaded soon. Trump was kinda just watching them both go at it up until then.[/QUOTE]

Trump never likes Zelenskyy at the first place. Remember when he tried to make Zelenskyy blackmailing Biden and failed? Seeing how Trump's 2nd term is the "Revenge Tour", Zelenskyy clearly is on the list.

It was a shakedown and Trump offered Ukraine nothing including guaranteed security for "peace" that Russia will eventually break again, they probably already knew the deal wouldn't be done.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982498][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk56IEobQAYe29_?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

:yaohappy:[/QUOTE]

This is rich coming from a guy that was sleeping and working with a Chinese spy :yaohappy:

He was under a House ethics probe for 2 years because of it

[IMG]https://www.thetimes.com/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fce9adb28-3a2f-11eb-9017-abc630b6062b.jpg?crop=554%2C312%2C63%2C13&resize=1200[/IMG]

Rep. Jake Auchincloss:
Zelensky flew into Washington, but he walked into the Kremlin.

[QUOTE=999Guy;14982447]I hope I’m wrong but I really don’t understand why a German would be watching this thinking it’s cute. If shit hits the fan, which it very well seems it is. Germany will be Russia’s end game to the war this is about to start.

Germany will be the prize. They invade Poland, terrorize Finland, and try to stomp through Romania and co, but Germany is the end game.

Germany doesn’t even have nukes. They almost certainly look to get their own arsenal at this rate. Which is almost certainly going to make the planet tremendously more dangerous.

It’s insane the regression Trump has caused geopolitically. And insane how stupid and comfortable people are taking world peace for granted.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I also don't understand people applauding Vance for his freedom of speech tirade, while both Vance and the Trump/Vance zealots gloom over Russia where publicly saying "Putin sucks" or "There is a war in Ukraine" will get you killed.

How did he "kick him out" btw?

This didnt really happen?

Anyway, still in amazement over this.


This is how we should see politicians talk with each other. Openly and authentically.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982498][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk56IEobQAYe29_?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

:yaohappy:[/QUOTE]

You should know that anything those people side with is bullshit, maybe even more-so than the people in congress who side with Trump. All of those dudes (and women) made a name for themselves by being ****ing clowns. I respect(ed?) Bernie, but he says some clowny shit. I think he has convictions, though.

The part that bothers me is even though I believe this is somewhat STAGED, it's an interesting historical event. It's really sad that people come down on either side of propaganda. I can't believe all the people on Reddit calling Zel a true hero, etc. It's like haha.

To me, I wish Vance hadn't interjected. Trump felt the need to get stronger because dude disrespected Vance.

Zel should have never said:

Russia did stuff in 2016 when you were pres (he wasn't pres in 2016 haha.)
You aren't doing more than Europe.
We don't compromise with killers.
We fought alone...

and that shit where he was like, "You guys will feel it, soon." I think that was the hugest land mine. Trump was actually pissed. He was red through his orange.

As for Trump, I wouldn't have pushed him. Holy shit. I wouldn't have dissed his clothes upon seeing him (they are feuding tho, not the time for petty bs,) and he could have worded stuff a lot differently. You can respond to Zel's confrontation by being real but also supportive.

They wanted that to happen for some reason. There was a lot of tension in the room. Zel was shaking even starting out. He actually looked more comfortable confronting Trump. I really do think that confronting people is never the answer. He said some super wild shit like that he thinks Russia should pay them. Trump also doesn't wanna say exactly what he's gonna do, but I do buy the argument if we got the minerals that they would be protected at least until we got them out. That would give Europe and them plenty of time to build up a force and plan.

Zel played it like he had all the power. I don't think he does. I think people are gonna cheer him on and use him to attack Trump, but I doubt even Europe supports them if we don't. It would be nice to see the EU step up and handle this themselves. Trump said what he would do. Zel didn't like it. Move on, then.

But this was BS. BS questions from reporters, instigating. Super surprised at how pissed Trump got, though. He definitely dressed a lot of people down, in his career, but he lost it in this situation. I HOPE that's because he cares. haha. I am one of those people who still kinda think Trump cares. Everyone says he doesn't, but there's just so much shit that make it seem like he does. Sure, he wants money and he might be super selfish, but he still seems to care about getting shit together. I think he realizes that it's best for everyone.

Someone else post a non meme take...!

-Smak

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14982503]This. And also bad-faith trolls.[/QUOTE]

I'm not stupid! I assume you are not, either. Post a real take.

-Smak

Trump's mineral deal makes a lot of sense to me if the goal is to end the war and have lasting peace. However, it seems the deal doesn't include explicit security guarantee, just that "US would have vested interest therefore motivating them to support Ukraine's security." I can understand why Zelensky rejected this deal. If I'm to give up such a significant amount of my country's assets, it better come with concrete defense commitment from the US.

[QUOTE=iamgine;14982546]Trump's mineral deal makes a lot of sense to me if the goal is to end the war and have lasting peace. However, it seems the deal doesn't include explicit security guarantee, just that "US would have vested interest therefore motivating them to support Ukraine's security." I can understand why Zelensky rejected this deal. If I'm to give up such a significant amount of my country's assets, it better come with concrete defense commitment from the US.[/QUOTE]

We've already given Ukraine 350bil dollars AND a lot of weapons. I'd say the U.S has given them plenty of security over the last 3yrs. Now it's time for Z to start repaying. If Trump was expecting 100% of the minerals instead of the 50% the 2 countries had agreed on, then I'd understand Z's hesitation.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14982564]We've already given Ukraine 350bil dollars AND a lot of weapons. I'd say the U.S has given them plenty of security over the last 3yrs. Now it's time for Z to start repaying. If Trump was expecting 100% of the minerals instead of the 50% the 2 countries had agreed on, then I'd understand Z's hesitation.[/QUOTE]

If I were Zelensky, I'd not accept it without explicit security guarantee from the US.

[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14982527]You should know that anything those people side with is bullshit, maybe even more-so than the people in congress who side with Trump. All of those dudes (and women) made a name for themselves by being ****ing clowns. I respect(ed?) Bernie, but he says some clowny shit. I think he has convictions, though.

The part that bothers me is even though I believe this is somewhat STAGED, it's an interesting historical event. It's really sad that people come down on either side of propaganda. I can't believe all the people on Reddit calling Zel a true hero, etc. It's like haha.
[/QUOTE]
They could do it out of the public as many international deals did. Somebody wants to humiliate Zelenskyy to the world. There are few obvious candidates.

[quote]
You aren't doing more than Europe.
[/quote]
Europe is doing more. Total aid US that has been allocated to Ukraine reportedly is around 100-120B Euro while Europe has spent a little more than US so far plus around $100B Euro to be allocated in the future.
[URL]https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/0226/1499138-us-vs-europe-who-actually-gives-more-support-to-ukraine/[/URL]

[quote]
We fought alone...
[/quote]
Technically correct. Otherwise there would be foreign troop deployments backing up Ukraine a long time ago.

[quote]
Zel played it like he had all the power. I don't think he does. I think people are gonna cheer him on and use him to attack Trump, but I doubt even Europe supports them if we don't. It would be nice to see the EU step up and handle this themselves. Trump said what he would do. Zel didn't like it. Move on, then.
[/quote]
I think both parties have already known the current deal would likely fell through. The whole meeting was about shaking down and humiliating Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy stood his ground and Trump and company didn't the results they really wanted.

[quote]
But this was BS. BS questions from reporters, instigating. Super surprised at how pissed Trump got, though. He definitely dressed a lot of people down, in his career, but he lost it in this situation. [B]I HOPE that's because he cares[/B]. haha. I am one of those people who still kinda think Trump cares. Everyone says he doesn't, but there's just so much shit that make it seem like he does. Sure, he wants money and he might be super selfish, but he still seems to care about getting shit together. I think he realizes that it's best for everyone.
[/quote]
He only cares people who either are loyal to him or pay him. That's it. Cutting essential fed services definitely is not best for every Americans, for one.

i know the american people want to back their president in this kerfuffle, but let's just be honest....vance is inbred. Zelensky opened the meeting by thanking Trump, 30 mins later, Vance (Inbred VP), escalates by asking if Zlensky has thanked America in an accusatory tone. sheesh.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982573]i know the american people want to back their president in this kerfuffle, but let's just be honest....vance is inbred. Zelensky opened the meeting by thanking Trump, 30 mins later, Vance (Inbred VP), escalates by asking if Zlensky has thanked America in an accusatory tone. sheesh.[/QUOTE]

You are literally shorter, fatter, and dumber than JD Vance.

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14982567]They could do it out of the public as many international deals did. Somebody wants to humiliate Zelenskyy to the world. There are few obvious candidates.


Europe is doing more. Total aid US that has been allocated to Ukraine reportedly is around 100-120B Euro while Europe has spent a little more than US so far plus around $100B Euro to be allocated in the future.
[URL]https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/0226/1499138-us-vs-europe-who-actually-gives-more-support-to-ukraine/[/URL]


Technically correct. Otherwise there would be foreign troop deployments backing up Ukraine a long time ago.


I think both parties have already known the current deal would likely fell through. The whole meeting was about shaking down and humiliating Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy stood his ground and Trump and company didn't the results they really wanted.


He only cares people who either are loyal to him or pay him. That's it. Cutting essential fed services definitely is not best for every Americans, for one.[/QUOTE]

I feel like Zelensky was the one who went there first. He was shaking in the beginning like he was already pissed. Maybe they already had words.

[url]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/444f/live/d85ab0a0-f45e-11ef-896e-d7e7fb1719a4.png.webp[/url]

I dunno who to believe about the money number, either. Everyone is lying as far as I am concerned. Maybe it's equal, then, or close, but what do you say about the difference in loan amount?

Also, I was in shock (even tho like I said I think it was theater,) somewhat after watching that shit, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Zel really was being a dickwad. You can say shit should be equal, but it's not. He is coming here to ask a favor and basically implied that if we don't help him that we are gonna feel the consequences. And that was when Trump was like FOH. It probably is true, to be fair, but you don't rile people like that.

Seems like the mineral deal was never going to be signed at that event, and I imagine they will come together and do SOMETHING by the end of weekend, but if they don't... I guess it's whatever.

Again, you don't go in and say we were there alone when we gave them the weapons and probably intel. You don't go in and say we didn't do more than Europe. It's just bad diplomacy, despite what the facts are. You can be gracious. Trump is a hard ass, but Zel should have known how it was gonna go down. I think this was all a scheme, but I can't figure out if it was by Trump or by Zel's bros. There are two camps. Maybe they both did performances. You got all the Democrats + EU, then you got the Republicans and (probably?) Americans. I think everyone wants a positive outcome, but Zel is wiling if he thinks that Putin is gonna like apologize and pay him and give him his land back. Haha. It's like you grab someone by their shirt and drag them in after beating your kid's ass. You could be like APOLOGIZE and such, but more likely, you'd just say stop it... don't do it again. Putin will get his punishment over time.

If I haven't already said it, I really think Russia grows stronger during war, so it's just bad look over all. We shall see.

Edit: Zel also said Putin was using ballistic missiles while they were there as proof that he didn't want the war to stop, but I think that he is probably doing it to encourage them to stop the war haha. It depends on your viewpoint.

-Smak

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982573]i know the american people want to back their president in this kerfuffle, but let's just be honest....vance is inbred. Zelensky opened the meeting by thanking Trump, 30 mins later, Vance (Inbred VP), escalates by asking if Zlensky has thanked America in an accusatory tone. sheesh.[/QUOTE]

I am impressed with his speaking during the campaign / debates, but yeah, he bothers me. He's not genuine. He's a plant imo. He probably will be the next pres and all sort of wild shit will happen, but that's just not the time to interject yourself. Trump was already going in on him. Even Trump looked like he was wishing Vance would shut up. He made it a lot harder.

Trump loves the raw earth.

-Smak

[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14982582]I am impressed with his speaking during the campaign / debates, but yeah, he bothers me. He's not genuine. He's a plant imo. He probably will be the next pres and all sort of wild shit will happen, but that's just not the time to interject yourself. Trump was already going in on him. Even Trump looked like he was wishing Vance would shut up. He made it a lot harder.

Trump loves the raw earth.

-Smak[/QUOTE]

I think those behind Vance, Musk and Thiel in particular, are trying to make Vance more "likable" just in case Trump croaks during his term. Vance is no Trump and has none of Trump's "charisma".

Also, it's not Trump that really loves rare earths. Musk and Thiel do. Both have invested a lot in businesses that need those rare earths (Tesla, SpaceX, Palantir, etc) and would rather not buying them from China.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14982564]We've already given Ukraine 350bil dollars AND a lot of weapons. I'd say the U.S has given them plenty of security over the last 3yrs. Now it's time for Z to start repaying. If Trump was expecting 100% of the minerals instead of the 50% the 2 countries had agreed on, then I'd understand Z's hesitation.[/QUOTE]

you're kidding yourself if you think the US just gifted Ukraine 350 billion dollars.

The Trump admin wants Zelensky gone its that simple. Considering the Europeans are too weak to handle this, at some point Ukraine will fall with or without Zelensky.

[QUOTE=brownmamba00;14982592]you're kidding yourself if you think the US just gifted Ukraine 350 billion dollars.

The Trump admin wants Zelensky gone its that simple. Considering the Europeans are too weak to handle this, at some point Ukraine will fall with or without Zelensky.[/QUOTE]

At some point being... in the future, years maybe. I think we will keep them afloat if they align with us, but we are gonna put them to work (take their ore like a real time strategy game.)

Zel's problem is he thinks Russia is gonna give his shit back. It's just not gonna happen. I don't even think we could pressure Russia to give it back. I think if it were an option, it would have happened. If it were an option, they probably wouldn't have invaded.

We benefit from being in Ukraine as well, as a strategic base. I dunno why people think we are allied with Russia, but we're not haha. People on Reddit saying shit like we are gonna switch sides in the war. ****in ay.

Also, google JD without a beard lol wew. Here's a sample [url]https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjd-vance-beardless-v0-bqpl4vwozxgd1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1347a051fcccb459417ece61718fb0120cb4e54a[/url]

-Smak

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14982526]How did he "kick him out" btw?

This didnt really happen?

Anyway, still in amazement over this.


This is how we should see politicians talk with each other. Openly and authentically.[/QUOTE]

A MAGA started this thread.

He knew what a debacle this was for Trump and the country so he had to spin it in Fat Donny's favor.