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[QUOTE=Baller234;15008475]If you taxed every billionaire at [B]100%[/B] it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.
Are you retarded? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
"Or other person who makes money exploiting their workers/the super rich", stop crying, greedyguts, you must be one of them. Pay up. Imagine crying about the rich getting taxed :roll: And you claim to be for the common man.
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[QUOTE=RRR3;15008477]"Or other person who makes money exploiting their workers", stop crying, greedyguts, you must be one of them. Pay up. Imagine crying about the rich getting taxed :roll: And you claim to be for the common man.[/QUOTE]
No you just sound like a fukking retard as usual. :oldlol:
You fantasize about a world where billionaires cover the tab for everyone else's life. Not only is that stupid and immoral to begin with, it's not even feasible mathematically. So it's nothing but a delusional pipe dream. And yet in your sad little world, you consider others to be lesser than you because they don't support your totally implausible solution.
This is why you're always upset 3tard, you have impossibly high expectations.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008481]No you just sound like a fukking retard as usual. :oldlol:
You fantasize about a world where billionaires cover the tab for everyone else's life. Not only is that stupid and immoral to begin with, it's not even feasible mathematically. So it's nothing but a delusional pipe dream. And yet in your sad little world, you consider others to be lesser than you because they don't support your totally implausible solution.
This is why you're always upset 3tard, you have impossibly high expectations.[/QUOTE]
"Immoral" is your billionaire buddies not getting to hoard everything :roll: But the everyday citizen having to pay for wars and genocides is good :hammerhead:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour[/url]
^Educate yourself. The uber wealthy are parasites, you are believing exactly what they want (or are you a member of the elite yourself, would explain a lot). Adam Smith talked about this, and he was no socialist.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008476]What does you believe universal healthcare to mean?[/QUOTE]
I'm not the one advocating for it.
You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.
I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008483]I'm not the one advocating for it.
You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.
I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.[/QUOTE]
Yes we know you want people to die preventable deaths. I'm like 99.9% sure you're a socioopath.
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[QUOTE=RRR3;15008482]"Immoral" is your billionaire buddies not getting to hoard everything :roll: But the everyday citizen having to pay for wars and genocides is good :hammerhead:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour[/url]
^Educate yourself. The wealthy are parasites, you are believing exactly what they want (or are you a member of the elite yourself, would explain a lot). Adam Smith talked about this, and he was no socialist.[/QUOTE]
Okay Einsten.
As of 2024, the total wealth of U.S. billionaires was estimated at $5.5 to $6 trillion.
It is estimated that Universal Healthcare as proposed by Bernie Sanders back in 2020 would cost between $2.5 to $4 trillion. That would mean if we confiscated all the wealth from all the billionaires, we would have enough money to fund this system for about [B]a year and a half[/B].
Is this your brilliant plan?
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The left can't meme. :oldlol:
These might work with your gay buddies not here.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008487]Okay Einsten.
As of 2024, the total wealth of U.S. billionaires was estimated at $5.5 to $6 trillion.
It is estimated that Universal Healthcare as proposed by Bernie Sanders back in 2020 would cost between $2.5 to $4 trillion. That would mean if we confiscated all the wealth from all the billionaires, we would have enough money to fund this system for about [B]a year and a half[/B].
Is this your brilliant plan?
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How much of our tax dollars go towards paying for genocides and wars like I said? Stop wasting money on that too, and tax the wealthier multimillionaires and it can be taken care of. You act like other countries don't laugh at us for not having public healthcare :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008489]The left can't meme. :oldlol:
These might work with your gay buddies not here.[/QUOTE]
You're devoid of empathy, of course you wouldn't get it. I notice you keep desperately dodging everyday people being taxed for military stuff. Curious!
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008490]How much of our tax dollars go towards paying for genocides and wars like I said? Stop wasting money on that too, and tax the wealthier multimillionaires and it can be taken care of. You act like other countries don't laugh at us for not having public healthcare :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
But wait, just before you said you weren't in favor of taxing anyone but the super rich. If the super rich are paying for our healthcare, where else are we going to get these extra tax dollars from?
How can we cut from other programs if the taxes aren't being collected?
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[QUOTE=Baller234;15008492]But wait, just before you said you weren't in favor of taxing anyone but the super rich. If the super rich are paying for our healthcare, where else are we going to get these extra tax dollars from?
How can we cut from other programs if the taxes aren't being collected?
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"Programs". So you think it's important for us to genocide Palestine and bomb Yemen? Because you are currently paying tax dollars for that :oldlol: Don't hear you whining about that.
Btw Dwyane Wade would absolutely hate you :roll:
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008494]"Programs". So you think it's important for us to genocide Palestine and bomb Yemen? Because you are currently paying tax dollars for that :oldlol: Don't hear you whining about that.[/QUOTE]
Don't try and change the subject.
You said only the super rich should pay taxes. That means you think billionaires should fund healthcare, defense, education, welfare... all of it. But it's already been explained to you that there isn't enough money for that. Not even close.
So if we're not collecting taxes from the average citizen, where is this money coming from?
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I didn't say just billionaires and you know it, should have just said the upper crust of society. Keep stomping your feet, it's hilarious watching you throw a tantrum about the idea of poor people getting taken care of.
It's not changing the subject either, you think taxes are good when they're for stuff YOU want like bombing brown people. It's hypocritical.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008497]I didn't say just billionaires and you know it, should have just said the upper crust of society. Keep stomping your feet, it's hilarious watching you throw a tantrum about the idea of poor people getting taken care of.
It's not changing the subject either, you think taxes are good when they're for stuff YOU want like bombing brown people. It's hypocritical.[/QUOTE]
You said the "super rich" should pay all of our taxes.
Okay, define super rich. Enlighten us.
How much money is "super rich"? At what income level should you be exempt from paying taxes?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008498]You said the "super rich" should pay all of our taxes.
Okay, define super rich. Enlighten us.
How much money is "super rich"? At what income level should you be exempt from paying taxes?[/QUOTE]
Idk, I'm not an economist and I'm too lazy to spend a long time researching the answer just to come up with something I am 100% certain you will say is stupid and "immoral" (:oldlol:). Maybe if you were willing to listen to other points of view I'd do the work, but you literally never move an inch. You're expecting me to put in a lot of work to come up with something you will instantly reject because I say it. Like if I come back and say "ok let's tax everyone who makes over 379.5 million" you 100% will have the same enraged response about taxation is theft when it's not used to bomb brown people.
Now answer me about the war stuff. You like paying taxes then.
3tard if you're going to present an alternative solution to the current tax system, don't you think you have an obligation to explain how it works? :oldlol:
[B]3tard:[/B]
"Hey the current tax system is unfair I have a better idea, we tax the super rich at 100% and have them pay for everything..."
[B]Normal Person:[/B]
"Is that feasible? Can you tell me more? At what point is someone considered super rich...?"
[B]3tard:[/B]
"I have no idea, I'm not an economist..."
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[QUOTE=Baller234;15008502]3tard if you're going to present an alternative solution to the current tax system, don't you think you have an obligation to explain how it works? :oldlol:
[B]3tard:[/B]
"Hey the current tax system is unfair I have a better idea, we tax the super rich at 100% and have them pay for everything..."
[B]Normal Person:[/B]
"Is that feasible? Can you tell me more? At what point is someone considered super rich...?"
[B]3tard:[/B]
"I have no idea, I'm not an economist..."
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I don't have an obligation to spend a long time doing economic research just to get an exact answer to someone who is automatically going to reject my answer, no. Also....
[url]https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/[/url]
Your system is costing us more, aren't you about saving. I'm not saying I agree with Bernie completely btw.
3tard, why can't you just define for us what "super rich" means? It's a very simple question.
YOU said that only the super rich should pay taxes.
Okay, what is super rich?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008507]3tard, why can't you just define for us what "super rich" means? It's a very simple question.
YOU said that only the super rich should pay taxes.
Okay, what is super rich?[/QUOTE]
Let's say I was being too pie in the sky for the sake of argument and you were right. Ok? Now, how is it WORSE to save money with m4a than our current system? [url]https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/[/url] Aren't you always worried about saving the country money? Even if you think this plan is highly flawed, it's surely BETTER than the current one yes?
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008508]Let's say I was being too pie in the sky for the sake of argument and you were right. Ok? Now, how is it WORSE to save money with m4a than our current system? [url]https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/[/url] Aren't you always worried about saving the country money? Even if you think this plan is highly flawed, it's surely BETTER than the current one yes?[/QUOTE]
Sorry I refuse to entertain you if you're just going to link to random commie leaning editorials with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren being portrayed as heroes.
Debate like a man and back up your own claims.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008510]Sorry I refuse to entertain you if you're just going to link to random commie leaning editorials with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren being portrayed as heroes.
Debate like a man and back up your own claims.[/QUOTE]
You realized that source included a Koch funded institute study that found it would save us money yes? Do you think the Kochs are commies?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008483]I'm not the one advocating for it.
You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.
I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.[/QUOTE]
I don't know the perfect system. But I do know, and you seem to agree, that the current model is fvcked up. That's a start.
Enough people speaking up about this can affect actual change amongst people way smarter than I am.
Off the top of my head though, could treat insurance companies as federal franchise programs run by government-paid (handsomely paid) executives. They must adhere to a specific set of regulations regarding claim payment and premium pricing, but how they go about it from an overhead, marketing, headcount standpoint is completely up to them. There could be quarterly reports/audits and all they would have to do stay running is to break even, and because of a set wage for these individuals there is no incentive to increase profits further.
I don't know. Just off the top of my head. Of course more thought on that would have to be put in.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008384]Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.
You guys are straight up sociopaths.[/QUOTE]
Leaving out "random" just shows your manipulative nature. You're just not very good at it.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008510]Sorry I refuse to entertain you if you're just going to link to random commie leaning editorials with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren being portrayed as heroes.
Debate like a man and back up your own claims.[/QUOTE]
A bit ironic, that you rightwingers attacked big pharma during covid for manipulating the public, but it's absolute ok that a insurance company lobby implemented a narrative that m4a is communism. Atleast be some sort of coherent.
It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008556]It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.[/QUOTE]
Everyone thought the stuff in the OP was bad what are you even talking about
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008556]It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.[/QUOTE]
it absolutely is, in [B][B][I]any [/I][/B][/B]scenario like blocking or limiting aid to innocent civilians in a war or straight up shooting kids and women from helicopters after bombing innocent palestinians.
oh wait, forgot you're a biggot.
Crazy that OP is actually 400 lbs
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;15008579]Crazy that OP is actually[B][U][SIZE=7] 400 lbs[/SIZE][/U][/B][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RRR3;15008560]Everyone thought the stuff in the OP was bad what are you even talking about[/QUOTE]
And then we brought up the United Healthcare CEO and you guys started making excuses for murder.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008594]And then we brought up the United Healthcare CEO and you guys started making excuses for murder.[/QUOTE]
Poor reading comprehension and blatant hypocrisy as usual.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008602]Poor reading comprehension and blatant hypocrisy as usual.[/QUOTE]
I comprehend quite well. You're literally justifying murder in the first post you made the moment it was brought up.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008352]The person he killed was guilty of preying on the poor and sick and preventing people from getting lifesaving care. The people killed here were just random embassy workers who got unfairly targeted for the actions of Netanyahu and his cronies. Pretty different situations, one is a senseless act of violence and one is a response to violence already committed by Thompson. Sure you can argue killing is wrong regardless and I think there's a decent argument for that for sure, but you can at least see the reasoning Mangione had. The reasoning this person had is just conflating them with the Israeli government perpetrators of the genocide, which is illogical as they were just embassy workers and not members of Netanyahu's inner circle. There are people in the Israeli government who are anti-Netanyahu for that matter as well.[/QUOTE]
Patty's dim :(
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008616]Patty's dim :([/QUOTE]
As I was saying, a lot of you support murder.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008619]As I was saying, a lot of you support murder.[/QUOTE]
Yawn, all you can do is make things emotional, no rational debating ever. Not interested. Come back with better.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008634]Yawn, all you can do is make things emotional, no rational debating ever. Not interested. Come back with better.[/QUOTE]
I basically gave you receipts of you justifying murder or rationalizing it after you said that no one here was. You then proceed to call me dim because you got caught lying, and you want to have a rational debate?? :oldlol:
No I explained the difference in the reactions people had and why it was that way. Nowhere did I say murder is justified, you are putting words in my mouth.