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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011375]Curry
Klay
KD
Draymond
Walton
Basically the 2017 warriors with Walton. 82-0?[/QUOTE]
Why put dray in when you could have KG or Duncan...?
Another silly post.
You and southbeach are seriously smoking some good shit. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=tpols;15011379]Why put dray in when you could have KG or Duncan...?
Another silly post.
You and southbeach are seriously smoking some good shit. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Draymond provides more versatility in general including playmaking. Don’t need his scoring
Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol
[QUOTE=tpols;15011383]Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Curry
MJ
Bird
KG
Robinson
^^^ No plodding big to hamper offensive movement, thus maximizing the capacity for dynasty ball movement.
Prime Wilt in Robinson or KG's place might work better but I like the jumpshooting ability of Robinson & KG
[QUOTE=tpols;15011383]Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Curry
MJ
Bird
KG
Robinson
^^^ No plodding big to hamper offensive movement, thus maximizing the capacity for dynasty ball movement.
Prime Wilt in Robinson or KG's place might work better but I like the jumpshooting ability of Robinson & KG... 5 jumpshoters out there but also great/goat post play from 4 of the 5 guys
[QUOTE=tpols;15011383]Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol[/QUOTE]
Draymond is the overall better ball handler, playmaker, and already has an established 2 man game with Curry. Obviously KG is better, but don’t really need the other things he provides.
Overall a defensive frontline of Walton/Draymond is more versatile . Dray could guard 1-5 more effectively than KG.
[QUOTE=3ba11;15011409]Agreed.
Curry
MJ
Bird
KG
Robinson
^^^ No plodding big to hamper offensive movement, thus maximizing the capacity for dynasty ball movement.
Prime Wilt in Robinson or KG's place might work better but I like the jumpshooting ability of Robinson & KG... 5 jumpshoters out there but also great/goat post play from 4 of the 5 guys[/QUOTE]
Bird at the 3 in today’s game would be exposed on defense. He is your classic 4 in today’s league.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011430]Draymond is the overall better ball handler, playmaker, and already has an established 2 man game with Curry. Obviously KG is better, but don’t really need the other things he provides.
Overall a defensive frontline of Walton/Draymond works better.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely absurd take.
2004 TWolves Kevin Garnett had great big man handles and playmaking / passing ability. He was arguably better at that than he was at scoring. And was an even better defender and rebounder than Dray.
I'm going to hold this opinion against you forever. :oldlol:
But Klay over MJ might take the cake.
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-03-2025/9hyeyE.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011431]Bird at the 3 in today’s game would be exposed on defense. He is your classic 4 in today’s league.[/QUOTE]
Luka works at the 1, so Bird would work anywhere he wants.
Dominique, Dr. J, Bernard King, or even Shawn Kemp has famous stories of being dominated by Bird...
Athletic guys like Walter Davis or Gervin - destroyed by Bird... So no... Bird would be fine
and he could play the 4.. He would also be carrying the ball a lot in today's game (above), which would allow him to play guard.
[QUOTE=tpols;15011435]Absolutely absurd take.
2004 TWolves Kevin Garnett had great big man handles and playmaking / passing ability. He was arguably better at that than he was at scoring. And was an even better defender and rebounder than Dray.
I'm going to hold this opinion against you forever. :oldlol:
But Klay over MJ might take the cake.[/QUOTE]
Stop. KG was a great playmaker, but he never ran an offense the way Draymond did. For the Wolves, Cassell was the one doing most of the playmaking, for the Warriors it was always Draymond year in and year out.
Plus we don’t want fake tough guys on our team. :no:
Dude got punched by Anthony Peeler and did nothing.
[QUOTE=3ba11;15011460][IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-03-2025/9hyeyE.gif[/IMG]
Luka works at the 1, so Bird would work anywhere he wants.
Dominique, Dr. J, Bernard King, or even Shawn Kemp has famous stories of being dominated by Bird...
Athletic guys like Walter Davis or Gervin - destroyed by Bird... So no... Bird would be fine
and he could play the 4.. He would also be carrying the ball a lot in today's game (above), which would allow him to play guard.[/QUOTE]
There is a reason why McHale was always guarding guys like Dominique and not Bird. Bird would get cooked guarding 3s of today.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011476]There is a reason why McHale was always guarding guys like Dominique and not Bird. Bird would get cooked guarding 3s of today.[/QUOTE]
^^^ Pure fabricated bs
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QAX7sbVa8[/url]
[QUOTE=3ba11;15011485]^^^ Pure fabricated bs
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QAX7sbVa8[/url][/QUOTE]
So your counter is a video of Dominique abusing Bird? :oldlol:
STUPIDBALL :yaohappy:
[QUOTE=RRR3;15011486]So your counter is a video of Dominique abusing Bird? :oldlol:
STUPIDBALL :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
No, but a younger Bird guarded Dominique, Dr. J, and all the quick perimeter players.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011476]There is a reason why McHale was always guarding guys like Dominique and not Bird. Bird would get cooked guarding 3s of today.[/QUOTE]
Another thing - in addition to the younger bird guarding Dominique, Dr J and all.the SF's, I want 2 hybrids at the forward spots that can play SF and PF, so that's why Bird/KG are perfect..
Robinson can also play the 3-5 spots.. Again, a lineup of MJ, Curry, Bird, KG and Robinson entails 5 jumpshoters and 4 great post players, so that's great versatility, plus several "Pippens" for MJ to light that fire under (KG, Robinson)
Some of your guys lineups would get obliterated by the current Pacers lol, let alone OKC. If you're still ignoring spacing when building all time teams in 2025, well you haven't learned much as the game has become less primitive.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011360]I'm honestly surprised at all the Kobe mentions, I don't think he'd be a good fit in an all-time lineup at all. I also don't understand why anyone would choose him over Jordan when he's essentially just a worse version of him.[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the Redeem Team documentary?
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15011533]Did you watch the Redeem Team documentary?[/QUOTE]
I watched the games during those Olympics. He actually wasn't that great of a fit, took the most shots on the team, but was still outscored by LeBron & Wade.
The funny thing is, I vividly remember Kobe telling the media that he was mostly going to focus on defense during those Olympics, but he couldn't help himself. :lol
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15011533]Did you watch the Redeem Team documentary?[/QUOTE]
Got em.
Kobe was the bonafide leader on that team behind the scenes and on the court. Took all the toughest covers and then closed out the Gold Medal game in late 4th quarter.
[QUOTE=tpols;15011383]Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol[/QUOTE]
This is true, but I don't recall seeing KG doing much of that from the perimeter the way that Draymond did during his peak. KG was a good playmaker but probably a better passer. I think the example of using Draymond works. Maybe if KG was from this era, then things would have been different.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011535]I watched the games during those Olympics. He actually wasn't that great of a fit, took the most shots on the team, but was still outscored by LeBron & Wade.
The funny thing is, I vividly remember Kobe telling the media that he was mostly going to focus on defense during those Olympics, but he couldn't help himself. :lol[/QUOTE]
Really odd. This is a gross mischaracterization of his contribution to that team, and a strange way of minimizing his play.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15011573]Really odd. This is a gross mischaracterization of his contribution to that team, and a strange way of minimizing his play.[/QUOTE]
I watched the games, Kobe in general didn't really do much up until the gold medal game, which you could say is the only game that mattered. But LeBron & Wade were clearly the co MVPs on that team. They dominated the tournament from start to finish.
Kobe shot 5 of 14 in the semis vs Argentina
4 of 13 vs Angola. :lol
There was only 2-3 games in the entire tournament (out of 8 games) where Kobe really stood out. He was pretty inconsistent.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011575]I watched the games, Kobe in general didn't really do much up until the gold medal game, which you could say is the only game that mattered. But LeBron & Wade were clearly the co MVPs on that team. They dominated the tournament from start to finish.
Kobe shot 5 of 14 in the semis vs Argentina
4 of 13 vs Angola. :lol
There was only 2-3 games in the entire tournament (out of 8 games) where Kobe really stood out. He was pretty inconsistent.[/QUOTE]
Kobe took 34 more shots than Wade and scored 8 less points :lol Which again, is a reason why he wouldn't be an ideal fit in an all-time lineup, you don't need someone who's going to shoot that much when you potentially already have 4 other 25-30 ppg scorers.
And I still haven't gotten a good answer for why people would choose Kobe over Jordan when they play very similarly but he's the inferior player. It's not like the minimal advantage in 3 point shooting would supersede the substantial advantages Jordan has over him.
Guards: Magic, Jordan
Forwards: LeBron, Duncan
Center: Shaq
[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;15011653]Guards: Magic, Jordan
Forwards: LeBron, Duncan
Center: Shaq[/QUOTE]
what is Lebron doing in that list.
Put Bird instead. solves all the ball dominated problems LBJ has.
Shaq is acceptable. He is just too physical and dominant at Center.
nikola jokic/david robinson/joel embiid
draymond green/kevin garnett/giannis antetokounmpo
lebron james/kawhi leonard/paul george
michael jordan/dwyane wade/manu ginobili
stephen curry/chris paul/james harden
nikola jokic/shaquille o'neal/david robinson
kevin garnett/draymond green/tim duncan
lebron james/larry bird/charles barkley
michael jordan/dwyane wade/james harden
stephen curry/chris paul/john stockton
nikola jokic/david robinson/shaquille o'neal
kevin garnett/draymond green/tim duncan
lebron james/charles barkley/larry bird
michael jordan/dwyane wade/james harden
stephen curry/chris paul/john stockton
If you're building a starting lineup to compete in today's NBA and factoring in fit, keeping in mind their is only one basketball....
Center - Jokic
Best offensive center ever overall. Fits all play styles. His defense is good enough to not get picked on with supreme results.
Power Forward - Larry Bird
He's essentially the same archetype as Jokic but a couple inches shorter. Fits any play style. Tough as shit. Defense is good enough.
Small Forward - Kawhi Leonard
The best combination of size, defense and shooting for a SF I've ever seen. He was apart of the most beautiful team basketball of the 20th century with the mid 2010 Spurs, so he's capable of dialing it back for the betterment of the team and playing off other great players.
SG - Michael Jordan
Contrary to what people might think of someone who shoots the amount of times he did, he was an all timer when it comes to off ball ability. I compared him to the 2pter version of Steph Curry. It's OK to have one none shooting (although he can obviously hit them) guard in the lineup when his name is Michael Jordan.
PG - Steph Curry
Imagining him playing off Bird and Jokic would be beautiful basketball we likely have never seen. His defense is a concern, but the fit with this squad is undeniably perfect
I don't think Lebron "plays nice" with other greats like the rest of these starters do, which is why I don't have him on this team.
Definitely not a fan of a Jokic/Bird frontcourt defensively. You'd be much better served replacing Bird with KG or Jokic with Hakeem.
I think Hakeem needs to be played through to get the Hakeem effect. I don't feel like having a "post up first" offense because that's not what the modern NBA is.
It's about spacing, shooting, perimeter focused offense.
KG is a perfectly fine choice at PF for this team. He was #2, but I truly done think Birds defense is a large concern. You can only involve one of Jokic/Bird in pick and rolls to hunt and that would likely be Jokic who would be getting "hunted" leaving Bird to do what he's really good at, play team defense.