[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15011963]following the crowd >>> pulling numbers out of your ass[/QUOTE]
you won't even [I]entertain[/I] a second source of information. who's the fool?
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[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15011963]following the crowd >>> pulling numbers out of your ass[/QUOTE]
you won't even [I]entertain[/I] a second source of information. who's the fool?
[QUOTE=diamenz;15011974]you won't even [I]entertain[/I] a second source of information. who's the fool?[/QUOTE]
I tried to, I'd have to watch through like 100 hours of rants to find the one part where a guy says the numbers are the opposite of what is reported.
It would also be like the "10th" source too. I found foreign estimates. I mean, everyone's estimates are the opposite or yours. You may want to consider that you're off here.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15011974]you won't even [I]entertain[/I] a second source of information. who's the fool?[/QUOTE]
You're talking to a person with a limited IQ, who literally believes, because the media told him so, that Putin just randomly woke up one day and to the shock of everyone decided to attack Ukraine. No preplanning, just the same day, right after getting up from bed, leaving everybody confused and in shock, in the same manner they would be confused if Russia randomly attacked Madagascar, or Angola. He also believes that Putin bombed his own pipeline. It is what it is.
diamenz has the pulse on the street. He knows the number of casualties for every war, but most especially, he knows the number of casualties of the brown people. Anyone else challenging these numbers is a damn fool.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15011982]diamenz has the pulse on the street. He knows the number of casualties for every war, but most especially, he knows the number of casualties of the brown people. Anyone else challenging these numbers is a damn fool.[/QUOTE]
that's right chewing knows the business.
[QUOTE=jstern;15011978]You're talking to a person with a limited IQ, who literally believes, because the media told him so, that Putin just randomly woke up one day and to the shock of everyone decided to attack Ukraine. No preplanning, just the same day, right after getting up from bed, leaving everybody confused and in shock, in the same manner they would be confused if Russia randomly attacked Madagascar, or Angola. He also believes that Putin bombed his own pipeline. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]
don't forget the part about how putin wants not just eastern but western ukraine as well. then when he's done with that he wants eastern europe and the baltic states. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15011975]I tried to, I'd have to watch through like 100 hours of rants to find the one part where a guy says the numbers are the opposite of what is reported.
It would also be like the "10th" source too. I found foreign estimates. I mean, everyone's estimates are the opposite or yours. You may want to consider that you're off here.[/QUOTE]
enjoy the episodes in the meantime then. maybe you'll learn a thing or two. :D
but believe whatever you want bill. i'm not gonna plead.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15011991]
but believe whatever you want bill. [B]i'm not gonna plead[/B].[/QUOTE]
Do you know what "implore" means?
[QUOTE=jstern;15011978]You're talking to a person with a limited IQ, who literally believes, because the media told him so,[B] that Putin just randomly woke up one day and to the shock of everyone decided to attack Ukraine. No preplanning, just the same day, right after getting up from bed, leaving everybody confused and in shock[/B], in the same manner they would be confused if Russia randomly attacked Madagascar, or Angola. He also believes that Putin bombed his own pipeline. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
what?
link to me saying this?
[url]https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine[/url]
Is this fake news MSM? Even if you think that it is fake, it is still more than anything you or jstern has brought to the table. Which is searching through hours of audio for something that probably doesn't even exist. You both just WANT Russia to win, and the outcome that you've dreamed up in your heads reflects that partisan thinking. If what I am saying isn't true? SHOW US SOMETHING REAL.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012245][url]https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine[/url]
Is this fake news MSM? Even if you think that it is fake, it is still more than anything you or jstern has brought to the table. Which is searching through hours of audio for something that probably doesn't even exist. You both just WANT Russia to win, and the outcome that you've dreamed up in your heads reflects that partisan thinking. If what I am saying isn't true? SHOW US SOMETHING REAL.[/QUOTE]
you're focusing on one small snapshot of the big picture. no one is saying "russia wins, flawless victory... fatality". of course russia has had and continues to have their setbacks but [B]again[/B], :rolleyes: anyone that's been following this war for the past two years, as long as they're not as easily taken on an emotional roller coaster ride from cover story to cover story as you are, knows where this is inevitably headed.
i don't [I]want[/I] russia to win and what a stupid thing to get hung up on. i just want this nonsense to be over and for both ukrainians and russians to stop dying on account of our stubborness to admit mistake and failure in a war's outcome that's already long been decided.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15012263]you're focusing on one small snapshot of the big picture. no one is saying "russia wins, flawless victory... fatality". of course russia has had and continues to have their setbacks but [B]again[/B], :rolleyes: anyone that's been following this war for the past two years, as long as they're not as easily taken on an emotional roller coaster ride from cover story to cover story as you are, knows where this is inevitably headed.
i don't [I]want[/I] russia to win and what a stupid thing to get hung up on. i just want this nonsense to be over and for both ukrainians and russians to stop dying on account of our stubborness to admit mistake and failure in a war's outcome that's already long been decided.[/QUOTE]
Yes you have already pre-determined this war's ending, and your "estimates" that are no where to be found reflect your decided conclusion. But I will say to you that I think you are narrowly viewing this as a war between Russia and Ukraine. Russia is at war with Euro Union, and if you think the US Military Complex is going to throw away all they have done simply because Trump is in office? That is more gullible than buying into MSM narratives, which are hit and miss.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012275]Yes you have already pre-determined this war's ending, and your "estimates" that are no where to be found reflect your decided conclusion. But I will say to you that I think you are narrowly viewing this as a war between Russia and Ukraine. Russia is at war with Euro Union, and if you think the US Military Complex is going to throw away all they have done simply because Trump is in office? That is more gullible than buying into MSM narratives, which are hit and miss.[/QUOTE]
yes, the eu is helping fund this disaster but their support is minimal compared to ours, especially militarily. if we pulled out today, they alone would not have the resources to pick up our slack the next time ukraine comes calling for another supplemental. [B]we[/B] are the primary ones fueling this.
it's true that the us is arguably too far invested to just pull out now but we have to face the music one way or another and the longer this drags on the more and more of a bloodbath it becomes as well as the added risk of nuclear escalation. moscow sees this conflict as [U]existential[/U]. in the end, putin is going to take what he wants in eastern ukraine and without the us putting troops on the ground it's only a matter of time before that ends up happening.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15012282]yes, the eu is helping fund this disaster but their support is minimal compared to ours, especially militarily. if we pulled out today, they alone would not have the resources to pick up our slack the next time ukraine comes calling for another supplemental. [B]we[/B] are the primary ones fueling this.
it's true that the us is arguably too far invested to just pull out now but we have to face the music one way or another and the longer this drags on the more and more of a bloodbath it becomes as well as the added risk of nuclear escalation. moscow sees this conflict as [U]existential[/U]. in the end, putin is going to take what he wants in eastern ukraine and without the us putting troops on the ground it's only a matter of time before that ends up happening.[/QUOTE]
First off he wants all of Ukraine. Kyiv was invaded very early in the war, and they could not capture it. So even if Russia ends up with only East Ukraine that could be seen as worth the effort and lives lost. But second, you have to understand that many in Ukraine would in fact rather die than give up their home to Putin. Your view is to just run away, declare that Russia is too big and scary, and minimize the loss. But for many who live there, that is a worse option than the "meat grinder".
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012289][B]First off he wants all of Ukraine[/B]. Kyiv was invaded very early in the war, and they could not capture it. So even if Russia ends up with only East Ukraine that could be seen as worth the effort and lives lost. But second, you have to understand that many in Ukraine would in fact rather die than give up their home to Putin. Your view is to just run away, declare that Russia is too big and scary, and minimize the loss. But for many who live there, that is a worse option than the "meat grinder".[/QUOTE]
who told you that??? i have [B]no[/B] idea why you keep simping for the msm. all they do is regurgitate what our government tells them - they're literally stenographers for the deep state. you're taking information from a government that's blatantly lied to us for decades and beyond about wars and foreign affairs, at face value. what the hell are you smoking?
first of all, the country of ukraine is no monolith when it comes to culture, language and ethnicity. eastern ukraine is for the most part, [U]russian[/U] in that regard. western ukraine is, you guessed it - hard nosed ukrainian. in the middle where the river divides it, a river that you've probably never even heard of and couldn't pronounce if you tried, is a mixture of both.
i hope that you can at least acknowledge that putin is no idiot. on the contrary, he's demonstrated himself to be very intelligent whether people like it or not. [U]now why would putin want to govern hard-nosed ukrainians, much less Poles or anything west of the ukrainian border?[/U] he'd be faced with neverending unrest from the population. this is not a serious argument. it's foolish... and who in their right mind would want to govern the mess that is eastern europe to boot? furthermore, the army that he currently has deployed has [B]nowhere near[/B] the number that he would need to achieve such a feat. in addition to that, he's almost wise enough to recognize and realize the consequences he would face for doing so. just quit while you're ahead dude. you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government (aka the entire country). Like I said, early on Russia went directly for the Capital Kyiv. They wouldn't have done that if they only wanted the East. It isn't even about land, he wants control of the country itself.
If he only wanted the East? The war would be over right now. :oldlol: Because Russia has control of the East. They are still fighting, because they want it all.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)[/url]
Read this please.
At the start of this war, Putin went directly for the Capital City Kyiv. He was hoping to capture the entire country with that right from the get go. Boom war over.
3 years ago, and Russia has been confined to the East for so long now that many probably forgot this even happened.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012295][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)[/url]
Read this please.
At the start of this war, Putin went directly for the Capital City Kyiv. He was hoping to capture the entire country with that right from the get go. Boom war over.
3 years ago, and Russia has been confined to the East for so long now that many probably forgot this even happened.[/QUOTE]
The drawn out process of the war just shows how weak their military is. It's not a great superpower in terms of hardware and boots on the ground. Their main threat has been nukes for decades now.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012245][URL]https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine[/URL]
Is this fake news MSM? Even if you think that it is fake, it is still more than anything you or jstern has brought to the table. Which is searching through hours of audio for something that probably doesn't even exist. You both just WANT Russia to win, and the outcome that you've dreamed up in your heads reflects that partisan thinking. If what I am saying isn't true? SHOW US SOMETHING REAL.[/QUOTE]
You are dumb, you have a low IQ. You don't have brain of your own, you cannot think for yourself, so you adopt the opinions of CNN and anything with a fancy titles and consider yourself intelligent, not for actually using your brain for anything, but for adopting their opinion. You're particularly useful for propaganda and are what they would call a useful idiot.
And I was thinking about this the other day, because it's very Blade like, so it might be a cultural thing. Because I think in India, titles are very important. Though I'm only basing that on the couple of Indians that I've known.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012295][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)[/URL]
Read this please.
At the start of this war, Putin went directly for the Capital City Kyiv. He was hoping to capture the entire country with that right from the get go. Boom war over.
3 years ago, and Russia has been confined to the East for so long now that many probably forgot this even happened.[/QUOTE]
When the war in Ukraine started, and the Joe Biden crowd started with the propaganda that they wanted to take the whole of Ukraine, for people like you, everyone that knew anything, which includes the US, knew that wasn't the case, due to the simple fact that Russia threw in 150,000 soldiers, which was the right amount for their stated goal. Where as if they wanted to take over the whole country, they would have needed at east one million.
[QUOTE=jstern;15012356]:blah[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
I'm gonna be honest...
I didn't know there was that much death as a result of the Ukraine/Russia war.
WWIII might actually be closer than we all suspect.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15012398]I'm gonna be honest...
I didn't know there was that much death as a result of the Ukraine/Russia war.
WWIII might actually be closer than we all suspect.[/QUOTE]
Either way you cut it, it's sad. I'm not sure about the numbers, but I would assume at least tens of thousands of people have died at the minimum. They're reporting hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I'm not so sure how much I trust that. Think about Vietnam for the United States and how much of a disaster that was for us? The United States was roughly directly involved in the war for over 8 years and we lost 58,220 soldiers. In WW2 the US lost over 400,000 soldiers over the course of almost four years in direct confrontation of battles.
[QUOTE=Meticode;15012327]The drawn out process of the war just shows how weak their military is. It's not a great superpower in terms of hardware and boots on the ground. Their main threat has been nukes for decades now.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012508]Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.[/QUOTE]
I agree with what you're saying, but Iraq is a poor comparison. Iraq's government and military was fractured. There was a lot of soldiers who didn't even want to fight for Saddam. Also Iraq had zero support from the outside world military-wise. Most of the opposition in Iraq wasn't their military, it was the insurgents disguising themselves as civilians and doing guerilla bomb tactics. Ukraine has billions of dollars of support from several countries including the U.S. through various means and military hardware.
If no one helped Ukraine I think the war would've been closer to being over than it is now.
[QUOTE=Meticode;15012574]I agree with what you're saying, but Iraq is a poor comparison. Iraq's government and military was fractured. There was a lot of soldiers who didn't even want to fight for Saddam. Also Iraq had zero support from the outside world military-wise. Most of the opposition in Iraq wasn't their military, it was the insurgents disguising themselves as civilians and doing guerilla bomb tactics. Ukraine has billions of dollars of support from several countries including the U.S. through various means and military hardware.
If no one helped Ukraine I think the war would've been closer to being over than it is now.[/QUOTE]
as i said previously in this very thread, the US is often at the heart of these conflicts. it's in their best interest to fight a proxy war against russia. pretty much any administration aside from trump (bc of his shady dealings with putin) would have jumped at the opportunity to strike a blow to russia without getting their hands dirty. for some reason, this country is full of people that know how the us operates internationally yet they turn a blind eye when those conflicts begin having consequences outside of their borders (israel-palestine conflict, mexico-cartels). it's such hypocrisy because this country started or fueled to conflicts yet points fingers at everyone but themselves.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012508]Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.[/QUOTE]
The goal is not to take over the whole of Ukraine, like the media has told you, and you believe with all of your heart, the goal is for Ukraine to become neutral and in the meantime 10 Ukrainians are dying for every Russian. Which you couldn't care less about, other than you want to argue the side that Joe Biden and the media has told you to.
The war would have been over, with Russia's objectives being met, neutral Ukraine, with a deal ready to be signed, champagne bottles popped open, but in April 2022, the Joe Biden crowd sent Boris Johnson, and forbid Zelenskyy from ending it. Killing some 700,000+ more Ukrainians, with Ukraine losing more land. Ukraine would have had more land, been in a much better position right now, but they want them to fight to the last Ukrainian.
In the meantime, Russia can just continue indefinitely occupying the land with Russian speaking people (The Donbas) that the Ukrainian government had been shelling since 2014. And you'll be happy sending them more tax payer money so that more Ukrainians die.
Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012808]Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.[/QUOTE]
You have a very low IQ, so even if Russia went into Ukraine with 1,000 soldiers you're going to believe that their intention was to take over the whole of Ukraine because Joe Biden and CNN told you so. (To take the whole of Ukraine requires over a million soldiers.) And then you're going to repeat it over and over, providing no arguments, just because believing that simplicity is all that your brain can handle. A sort of coping mechanism. The coping mechanism also forces you to block out that a peace deal was on the table in April 2022, ready to be signed, before the Joe Biden crowd blocked it, which contradicts your simplistic coping argument that Russia wanted to take the whole of Ukraine. A peace deal based on neutrality, blocked, and in the process killing some 700,000+ more Ukrainian, and Ukraine losing more land.
Edit: The deal was nearly signed. Russia then pulled its troops back from Kyiv as a goodwill gesture, which you and the media twisted (you unknowingly) that Ukraine was pushing Russia back.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012808]Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.[/QUOTE]
you have no evidence for these claims. that's why i've said it again and again and now jstern is telling you that you don't have a serious argument. just stop now. you've done enough damage to your credibility.
i bet you also believe that israel is prioritizing getting their hostages back even though they rejected a deal to do so because they want perpetual war.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15012991]you have no evidence for these claims. that's why i've said it again and again and now jstern is telling you that you don't have a serious argument. just stop now. you've done enough damage to your credibility.
i bet you also believe that israel is prioritizing getting their hostages back even though they rejected a deal to do so because they want perpetual war.[/QUOTE]
Evidence? It literally happened :oldlol:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)[/url]
It's literally you two that have zero evidence.
You're evidence is just "MSM LIES!" :oldlol:
Based on available information, [B]there is a strong indication that Vladimir Putin's long-term goals for Ukraine include the reestablishment of Russian control over the entire country[/B], even if not through direct annexation.
[B]Here's why:[/B]
Historical Claims: Putin has consistently questioned the historical legitimacy of Ukrainian statehood and insists on the "historical unity" of the two nations, viewing Ukrainians as essentially Russians.
Initial Invasion Goals: The 2022 invasion aimed at regime change in Kyiv, to replace the pro-Western government with a pro-Russian one and prevent Ukraine from joining NATO or the EU.
[B]Current Actions and Statements:[/B]
Kremlin officials have stated that Russia's offensive into Dnipropetrovsk Oblast is within the framework of creating a "buffer zone" and have indicated wider territorial ambitions beyond the already annexed regions.
There have been claims from pro-Kremlin sources suggesting Russia's aim is to seize a significant portion of central, southern, and eastern Ukraine, potentially including cities like Dnipro and Odesa, by the end of 2026.
Russia continues to demand international recognition of its annexed territories and a neutral status for Ukraine, suggesting a desire for complete control over its geopolitical orientation.
While Russia currently occupies roughly 20% of Ukraine, these actions and statements suggest that the Kremlin's ambitions may not be limited to holding the currently occupied territories but rather encompass a broader desire to control or significantly influence the entirety of Ukraine.
low-IQ AI agrees with me :oldlol:
I just pooped in my toilet while reading this thread.
[QUOTE=Meticode;15013122]I just pooped in my toilet while reading this thread.[/QUOTE]
This forum is way too much of a pain on a cell phone.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15013131]This forum is way too much of a pain on a cell phone.[/QUOTE]
That's why I switch to mobile view when on it.
[QUOTE=Meticode;15013143]That's why I switch to mobile view when on it.[/QUOTE]
I've heard Axe talk about a mobile view for ISH, but I didn't think it was true. He is the ISH expert, but I figure I would have seen it. What is this mobile view?
[QUOTE=jstern;15013231]I've heard Axe talk about a mobile view for ISH, but I didn't think it was true. He is the ISH expert, but I figure I would have seen it. What is this mobile view?[/QUOTE]
You have to keep in mind, you're talking about the person voted dumbest poster in ISH history. He didn't even know what the word "stamp" means. I had to explain it to him.
Axe is pretty dumb. And very stinky.
Stfu, you fat ass jewelry clerk.^^
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[QUOTE=jstern;15013231]:blah[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Axe;15013272]Stfu, you fat ass jewelry clerk.^^
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This photo pretty much shuts down any argument Poopsie is making.