Demarcus Cousin almost had a ''Malice in the palace'' moment in Puerto Rico

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15013123]I think it ties into the fan-player dynamic. When Cousins did that to the two fans, he may as well have done it to all of them. He overstepped the line twice, and the fans returned serve the second time. The action isn't justified, there's just less sympathy. Not to mention the home-versus-away factor of playing in an opponent's home stadium.[/QUOTE]

All things considered those are good points, but still cant excuse random fans for poking their noses in someone else's business. Throwing anything at performers should be considered criminal if we're being honest. If that wealthy 6'10 black man assaulted someone in the street he'd have a civil case on his ass before he could unzip his warm-up. Fans have to respect the product more, these guys aren't zoo animals. And ironically you'd be kicked out of zoo for doing less to an animal......

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15013166]Obviously. But it proves he's a better defensive playmaker. And here are some rim protection stats:

KAT:

9.1 rim contests per 100
-1.8% DFG
0.4 rim points saved per 100

DMC:

9.9 rim contests per 100
-5.4% DFG
1.1 rim points saved per 100

And those are career numbers, not just pre-injury for Cousins. He peaked in 2016-17 at 8.9 rim contests per 100, -8.8% DFG, and 1.6 rim points saved per 100. KAT's best was 2018-19: 10.7 rim contests per 100, -4.5% DFG, and 1.0 rim points saved per 100.

Best three 3-year DRAPMs:

DMC:
2013-2015: +1.8 (46th in the NBA)
2014-2016: +3.6 (5th in the NBA)
2015-2017: +2.1 (37th in the NBA)

KAT:
2017-2019: -0.7 (410th in the NBA)
2021-2023: +0.5 (183rd in the NBA)
2022-2024: +0.9 (137th in the NBA)

DMC was a comfortably better defender.[/QUOTE]
Xiao had no answer for these facts :lol

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15013220]All things considered those are good points, but still cant excuse random fans for poking their noses in someone else's business. Throwing anything at performers should be considered criminal if we're being honest. If that wealthy 6'10 black man assaulted someone in the street he'd have a civil case on his ass before he could unzip his warm-up. Fans have to respect the product more, these guys aren't zoo animals. And ironically you'd be kicked out of zoo for doing less to an animal......[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Fans normalizing the behavior is weird. All those clowns throwing crap felt justified in doing so. And the fans around them probably enjoyed it. Given the slurs they were launching at Cousins. No one ever speaks out against these punks lol And when you do it’s “well it’s Cousins he asked for it. He started it”. Even if hypothetically he did nothing and random fans decided to launch stuff? The first response is to laugh and say “couldn’t have happened to a better person heh heh heh”. All the while just accepting fans being fans. I just never been a fan of fans throwing crap. Like you said they aren’t Zoo animals.

BORICUAS have insane attitudes for the most part, like they're always intense and ready to pop off. cousins is not innocent for antagonizing and neither are the fans. but damn man, you gotta pick your fights and in this case, against people like that, better to walk away.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15013168]You can call cousins what you will. Doesn’t change the fact the situation with the Kings wasn’t a good one. And that’s been proven before and after him. Two things can be right. You went to step over the dog shyt and point out the litter instead. Not sure why.

Gobert wouldn’t have won in the same situation. You don’t want to agree to this because you feel it’ll be ammo used by someone or others whenever gobert is discussed. Gobert defense is not that good to change that franchises decision making. Apparently you’re that much of a Rudy fan you think so. Crazy[/QUOTE]

Kings would have been competitive with gobert. Jazz were awful without him. Jazz would have sucked with cousins. One guy does things to help you win games. The other one didnt. He was too busy pouting and taking bad shots

Cant quit me!

2013-14 cousins teamed up with two other 20 point scorers, thomas and gay with malone coaching them to 28 wins. Just more bad luck for the great cousins? Gobert never played with 2 20 point scorers in utah let alone 3. He went through many coaches that won elsewhere. If only the guy had been given a chance! :facepalm

Suspended for year :roll:

Damn, Puerto Rico ain't playing around. They ousted his ass for the rest of the season...

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/article/demarcus-cousins-suspended-remainder-puerto-010029216.html?guccounter=1[/url]

Wish I could've gone and seen him in PR

[QUOTE=Meticode;15013332]Damn, Puerto Rico ain't playing around. They ousted his ass for the rest of the season...

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/article/demarcus-cousins-suspended-remainder-puerto-010029216.html?guccounter=1[/url][/QUOTE]

Meanwhile fans get to continue watching the games lol Hilarious

[QUOTE=GOBB;15013349]Meanwhile fans get to continue watching the games lol Hilarious[/QUOTE]

Still get to watch that other talented bum hasaan whiteside! :roll:

Cousins played at an all-nba level the years he had Rondo as his pg. Too bad he didn't have him his entire career.

[QUOTE=jayfan;15013381]Cousins played at an all-nba level the years he had Rondo as his pg. Too bad he didn't have him his entire career.[/QUOTE]

All nba and yet his team still sucked. Hes not to blame!

Was never a big Cousins fan. He never played with talent in Sacramento, but always found his game one dimensional. He could score, but was also an inefficient scorer for a big man. Didn't provide much defense either. The only thing I thought he was really great at was his rebounding.

His intangibles were trash, always complaining about everything, a hot head, and didn't seem like much of a leader. Warriors made a big mistake signing him that one year, they pretty much benched him in the Finals because he was such a defensive liability.

Doesn't seem like he has matured alot with this past incident.

Timberwolves should sign him for the minimum

They could do with a big man who can get you more than 5ppg in a playoff series

Cant quit me!

I do miss cousins getting frustrated as gobert dominated him. Cousins and garza mba finals finally!:roll:

With a better brain, he'd have been something like a bigger, better version of Sacramento Chris Webber. A highly-skilled C/PF with a 7'6" wingspan, 9'5" standing reach, and a lean, robust, wide-bodied 260-280 frame.

He'd have been less prone to outbursts and more dedicated to strength & conditioning, resulting in better functional athleticism & work capacity. Additionally, upgraded cognition would boost his basketball IQ, awareness, and decision-making. This would equate to tangible improvements in scoring efficiency via optimized shot selection, fewer turnovers, and fewer personal fouls on defense.

Talent-wise, concerning size/athleticism/skill, he's most comparable to bigs like George Mikan, Bob Lanier, (a bigger) SacTown Chris Webber, and Tim Duncan. He just didn't the brain to match the physical gifts and skills.

Yep waste of great talent

Gobbo @ing EVERYONE

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15013437]Cant quit me!

I do miss cousins getting frustrated as gobert dominated him. Cousins and garza mba finals finally!:roll:[/QUOTE]
5/6/2 that's Rudy's stat line in the conference finals :roll:

Cousins is putting up those numbers in the first quarter against scawny Holmgrem :roll:

[QUOTE=Manny98;15013757]5/6/2 that's Rudy's stat line in the conference finals :roll:

Cousins is putting up those numbers in the first quarter against scawny Holmgrem :roll:[/QUOTE]

Still cant quit me!

Cousins last played in the league when?:facepalm

i didn't even notice he made the fan sniff his nuts. nah man, fck that he deserved to have trash and drinks thrown at him like a zoo animal. you want to act like a fkn animal, then you'll get treated like one.

Blame the kings. If hed played for a better franchise hed be a different guy :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15013922]Blame the kings. If hed played for a better franchise hed be a different guy :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You’re an idiot. You can feel cousins isn’t a leader, winner etc But you can’t deny the Kings franchise is also bad. And doesn’t put talented players in position to win. Sabonis is a highly skilled big man on a losing franchise. Blame him not the Kings tho…

Aside from the mental/cognitive/personality/intangible stuff, the biggest weakness with his game was subpar rim finishing due to poor vertical pop/jumping. He could neither jump high nor quickly; he just couldn't get off the ground--very much a below-the-rim guy. It's why he often led the NBA in blocked FGAs.

In New Orleans, he shot like 60% at the rim compared to AD's 72%. 57.4% with AD on the court, and 61.4% when AD was off it. Davis shot pretty much the same with or without him, so DMC definitely benefited less from the pairing. AD had a much higher TS% when they were on the court together, but DMC had a higher TS% and scored more when comparing how they did solo, when the other was off.

It was a clunky fit, and Cousins' game suffered more because of it. Still, in 2017-18, he improved to 105 TS+ and +0.32 FG Add per 36 minutes & +1.165 TS Add per 36 minutes. The scoring efficiency was there, on 25.2 ppg and a 31.9 USG%. Turnovers were the issue, which was exacerbated by the awkward fit.

In his prime from 2013-14 up until the injury in 2017-18, Cousins was 25.2 ppg/27.4 points per 75 poss/34.3 USG% on 102 TS+ and +0.506 TS Add per 36 minutes. And nearly half of that was prior to his 3PT shooting, which he was good at & made him more efficient.

For comparison, from 2022-2025, Tatum has averaged 27.7 ppg/28.35 points per 75 poss/31.6 USG% on 103 TS+ and +0.793 TS Add per 36 minutes. This with superb spacing and supporting cast.

It's a testament to his diverse skill set and versatility that he was able to be an above league-average efficiency scorer on high volume despite his inefficiency at the rim. He played nearly as many minutes at PF alongside Koufos & Cauley-Stein during the last couple of Sacramento seasons.

His game worked better playing like a big slasher-shooter-playmaker wing. Although he lacked vertical pop, he was surprisingly quick and hard to stay in front of with his long strides & bulk without fouling. Like a bigger, stronger, bully-ball version of KAT who shoots worse but is a better defender and can attack off-the-dribble better.

His last season in SAC was the best he ever played and a good representation of his talent in the modern context. He was nearly 50-50 playing C and PF. A true combo big.

- 27.8 ppg (30.7 per 75), 10.6 rpg, 4.8 apg (27.4 AST%), 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 3.8 topg (13.2 TOV%)
- 56.2% TS (102 TS+), 35.6% 3PT (4.9 3pa/g), 77.0% FT (10.0 fta/g, 49.1% FTr)
- +7.2 BPM (5.6 off; 1.6 def)

[video=youtube;fFRZ8Fnmw-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRZ8Fnmw-c&ab_channel=ZHHighlights[/video]

[video=youtube;-5VsnOczem4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VsnOczem4&pp=ygUjZGVtYXJjdXMgY291c2lucyAyMDE2LTE3IGhpZ2hsaWd odHM%3D[/video]

[video=youtube;AxVdS24ZdSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVdS24ZdSE&ab_channel=MoonEmily[/video]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15014005]Aside from the mental/cognitive/personality/intangible stuff, the biggest weakness with his game was subpar rim finishing due to poor vertical pop/jumping. He could neither jump high nor quickly; he just couldn't get off the ground--very much a below-the-rim guy. It's why he often led the NBA in blocked FGAs.

In New Orleans, he shot like 60% at the rim compared to AD's 72%. 57.4% with AD on the court, and 61.4% when AD was off it. Davis shot pretty much the same with or without him, so DMC definitely benefited less from the pairing. AD had a much higher TS% when they were on the court together, but DMC had a higher TS% and scored more when comparing how they did solo, when the other was off.

It was a clunky fit, and Cousins' game suffered more because of it. Still, in 2017-18, he improved to 105 TS+ and +0.32 FG Add per 36 minutes & +1.165 TS Add per 36 minutes. The scoring efficiency was there, on 25.2 ppg and a 31.9 USG%. Turnovers were the issue, which was exacerbated by the awkward fit.

In his prime from 2013-14 up until the injury in 2017-18, Cousins was 25.2 ppg/27.4 points per 75 poss/34.3 USG% on 102 TS+ and +0.506 TS Add per 36 minutes. And nearly half of that was prior to his 3PT shooting, which he was good at & made him more efficient.

For comparison, from 2022-2025, Tatum has averaged 27.7 ppg/28.35 points per 75 poss/31.6 USG% on 103 TS+ and +0.793 TS Add per 36 minutes. This with superb spacing and supporting cast.

It's a testament to his diverse skill set and versatility that he was able to be an above league-average efficiency scorer on high volume despite his inefficiency at the rim. He played nearly as many minutes at PF alongside Koufos & Cauley-Stein during the last couple of Sacramento seasons.

His game worked better playing like a big slasher-shooter-playmaker wing. Although he lacked vertical pop, he was surprisingly quick and hard to stay in front of with his long strides & bulk without fouling. Like a bigger, stronger, bully-ball version of KAT who shoots worse but is a better defender and can attack off-the-dribble better.

His last season in SAC was the best he ever played and a good representation of his talent in the modern context. He was nearly 50-50 playing C and PF. A true combo big.

- 27.8 ppg (30.7 per 75), 10.6 rpg, 4.8 apg (27.4 AST%), 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 3.8 topg (13.2 TOV%)
- 56.2% TS (102 TS+), 35.6% 3PT (4.9 3pa/g), 77.0% FT (10.0 fta/g, 49.1% FTr)
- +7.2 BPM (5.6 off; 1.6 def)

[video=youtube;fFRZ8Fnmw-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRZ8Fnmw-c&ab_channel=ZHHighlights[/video]

[video=youtube;-5VsnOczem4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VsnOczem4&pp=ygUjZGVtYXJjdXMgY291c2lucyAyMDE2LTE3IGhpZ2hsaWd odHM%3D[/video]

[video=youtube;AxVdS24ZdSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVdS24ZdSE&ab_channel=MoonEmily[/video][/QUOTE]

Excellent analysis of Cousins, never seen it before as everyone are harping on the narrative as "Cousins best Center" hurr durr.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15013986]You’re an idiot. You can feel cousins isn’t a leader, winner etc But you can’t deny the Kings franchise is also bad. And doesn’t put talented players in position to win. Sabonis is a highly skilled big man on a losing franchise. Blame him not the Kings tho…[/QUOTE]

Havent denied it. Yet sabonis 1st season they were 3rd in west. 46 wins the next and 40 this season after they traded one of their two best players. Big difference between that and being one of the worst teams in the league despite having supposedly one of the great players in the game. Cousins led a team with 3 20 point scorers to 28 wins.:lol

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15014005]Aside from the mental/cognitive/personality/intangible stuff, the biggest weakness with his game was subpar rim finishing due to poor vertical pop/jumping. He could neither jump high nor quickly; he just couldn't get off the ground--very much a below-the-rim guy. It's why he often led the NBA in blocked FGAs.

In New Orleans, he shot like 60% at the rim compared to AD's 72%. 57.4% with AD on the court, and 61.4% when AD was off it. Davis shot pretty much the same with or without him, so DMC definitely benefited less from the pairing. AD had a much higher TS% when they were on the court together, but DMC had a higher TS% and scored more when comparing how they did solo, when the other was off.

It was a clunky fit, and Cousins' game suffered more because of it. Still, in 2017-18, he improved to 105 TS+ and +0.32 FG Add per 36 minutes & +1.165 TS Add per 36 minutes. The scoring efficiency was there, on 25.2 ppg and a 31.9 USG%. Turnovers were the issue, which was exacerbated by the awkward fit.

In his prime from 2013-14 up until the injury in 2017-18, Cousins was 25.2 ppg/27.4 points per 75 poss/34.3 USG% on 102 TS+ and +0.506 TS Add per 36 minutes. And nearly half of that was prior to his 3PT shooting, which he was good at & made him more efficient.

For comparison, from 2022-2025, Tatum has averaged 27.7 ppg/28.35 points per 75 poss/31.6 USG% on 103 TS+ and +0.793 TS Add per 36 minutes. This with superb spacing and supporting cast.

It's a testament to his diverse skill set and versatility that he was able to be an above league-average efficiency scorer on high volume despite his inefficiency at the rim. He played nearly as many minutes at PF alongside Koufos & Cauley-Stein during the last couple of Sacramento seasons.

His game worked better playing like a big slasher-shooter-playmaker wing. Although he lacked vertical pop, he was surprisingly quick and hard to stay in front of with his long strides & bulk without fouling. Like a bigger, stronger, bully-ball version of KAT who shoots worse but is a better defender and can attack off-the-dribble better.

His last season in SAC was the best he ever played and a good representation of his talent in the modern context. He was nearly 50-50 playing C and PF. A true combo big.

- 27.8 ppg (30.7 per 75), 10.6 rpg, 4.8 apg (27.4 AST%), 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 3.8 topg (13.2 TOV%)
- 56.2% TS (102 TS+), 35.6% 3PT (4.9 3pa/g), 77.0% FT (10.0 fta/g, 49.1% FTr)
- +7.2 BPM (5.6 off; 1.6 def)

[video=youtube;fFRZ8Fnmw-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRZ8Fnmw-c&ab_channel=ZHHighlights[/video]

[video=youtube;-5VsnOczem4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VsnOczem4&pp=ygUjZGVtYXJjdXMgY291c2lucyAyMDE2LTE3IGhpZ2hsaWd odHM%3D[/video]

[video=youtube;AxVdS24ZdSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVdS24ZdSE&ab_channel=MoonEmily[/video][/QUOTE]

Should you been slashing if you cant finish at the rim? I ve been told finishing at a high rate doesnt mean anything anyway even when you are elite at it

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15014017]Should you been slashing if you cant finish at the rim? I ve been told finishing at a high rate doesnt mean anything anyway even when you are elite at it[/QUOTE]

His finishing was relatively better in a slashing, dribble-drive context than in a more traditional rim-running, roll, cut, and putback sense. It spaced the floor and played to his strengths a bit more, leveraging his foul drawing, three-point shooting, and passing.

Second Spectrum Drives Tracking (2016-17):

- 8.9 drives/g, 6.2 points/g, 59.1% TS, 1.00 PPP, 1.21 PPP with passes (estimated)

He was 51.7% TS and 0.94 PPP on 4.2 poss/g as a PnR Roll Man in 2016-17, per Synergy Sports Tracking. He was 1.08 PPP as a shooter (spot-up, off-screen, hand-off) on 6.6 poss/g. Playing off the threat of his three-ball made him a more efficient scorer, effective playmaker, and beneficial floor spacer.

DeMarcus did somewhat benefit from being arguably the best center during a lean period for the position. At his best, you'd have to rank him behind Jokic, Embiid (healthy), and Wemby. AD, also, if you consider him a C. He'd be borderline top 5, in that Rudy/KAT/Bam/Jaren/Bam tier.

4th at best with no AD @ center. 5th at best with AD @ center. Like what Mourning or Daugherty were to Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, and Ewing.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15014021]His finishing was relatively better in a slashing, dribble-drive context than in a more traditional rim-running, roll, cut, and putback sense. It spaced the floor and played to his strengths a bit more, leveraging his foul drawing, three-point shooting, and passing.

Second Spectrum Drives Tracking (2016-17):

- 8.9 drives/g, 6.2 points/g, 59.1% TS, 1.00 PPP, 1.21 PPP with passes (estimated)

He was 51.7% TS and 0.94 PPP on 4.2 poss/g as a PnR Roll Man in 2016-17, per Synergy Sports Tracking. He was 1.08 PPP as a shooter (spot-up, off-screen, hand-off) on 6.6 poss/g. Playing off the threat of his three-ball made him a more efficient scorer, effective playmaker, and beneficial floor spacer.[/QUOTE]

He was a 35% 3 point shooter. Hes not towns. He could rebound. A back up spotting up for 3s and rebounding.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15014023]DeMarcus did somewhat benefit from being arguably the best center during a lean period for the position. At his best, you'd have to rank him behind Jokic, Embiid (healthy), and Wemby. AD, also, if you consider him a C. He'd be borderline top 5, in that Rudy/KAT/Bam/Jaren/Bam tier.

4th at best with no AD @ center. 5th at best with AD @ center. Like what Mourning or Daugherty were to Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, and Ewing.[/QUOTE]

He was never better than any of those guys. Those guys help you win games. He destroyed his team. Gobert owned him. Hed get so frustrated playing against rudy. I do miss that! :lol

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15014015]Havent denied it. Yet sabonis 1st season they were 3rd in west. 46 wins the next and 40 this season after they traded one of their two best players. Big difference between that and being one of the worst teams in the league despite having supposedly one of the great players in the game. Cousins led a team with 3 20 point scorers to 28 wins.:lol[/QUOTE]

Haven’t denied it? Interesting. Hard to find much supporting that. I guess because you’re incredibly loud about Cousins and talk silently about the Kings franchise. Notice the team trending down with Sabonis? Blame cousins for that. Sabonis too.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15014032]Haven’t denied it? Interesting. Hard to find much supporting that. I guess because you’re incredibly loud about Cousins and talk silently about the Kings franchise. Notice the team trending down with Sabonis? Blame cousins for that. Sabonis too.[/QUOTE]

Ive mentuoned the kings franchise provlems many times. Apparently his current francgise in puerto rico has similar issues. Demarcus certainlt cant be blamed. Guve the fuy a better franchise and he is an all time great! :cheers:

Sabonis has issues. Would i want him on my team? Sure. Would i want cousins? Hell no! Tou are comparing mediocre to very good king teams to bad to very bad kings teams.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15014036]Ive mentuoned the kings franchise provlems many times. Apparently his current francgise in puerto rico has similar issues. Demarcus certainlt cant be blamed. Guve the fuy a better franchise and he is an all time great! :cheers:[/QUOTE]

What? I never implied cousins was right in his actions in the incident. Nor did I blame the team or him being suspended/banned whatever the end result was. So why even make that a thing? That’s weird as hell. The only issue I mentioned down there was fans throwing stuff. That’s cowardly, it’s scumbag tactics. And fans like that need to be handled. I’m tired of it being overlooked, accepted, normalized. Especially when the player that gets stuff thrown isn’t liked. Fans get too many passes for acting like clowns. This is a perfect example of most people either justifying what they did or simply saying hey I don’t care for cousins/he brought it on himself *shrugs*”.

The other issue is I think cousin was a talented big man. He had skills. But I also know the situation he was in? A complete mess. It wasn’t a winning environment nor culture in Sac. And as of today? Still ain’t imo. Sabonis is next to be traded. Wasting his talent in a crappy organization. Who traded added Zach Lavine. A guy who doesn’t push the needle at all.

Does cousin deserve blame for his career? Certainly. Never said he was exempt from that. Just like I never said he was innocent in Puerto Rico. Like the fans and kings franchise? I’m merely highlighting what most fans either don’t talk about, don’t care or when folks are critical the energy doesn’t match. Notice how you went in on cousins and still do? That’s fine. That same energy isn’t matched for how terrible the kings franchise is. That’s all I’m saying. All this breakdown how cousins is a loser, inefficient etc but it’s mild chatter when we speak on how much of a dump Sacramento is. Sabonis won’t sniff the playoffs again there. Dog shyt franchise. Theres no winning culture there

And if Rudy gobert played there for 6-7 years you would be agreeing with everything im saying about that franchise.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15014038]Sabonis has issues. Would i want him on my team? Sure. Would i want cousins? Hell no! Tou are comparing mediocre to very good king teams to bad to very bad kings teams.[/QUOTE]

What issues does Sabonis seem to have?

[QUOTE=GOBB;15014210]What? I never implied cousins was right in his actions in the incident. Nor did I blame the team or him being suspended/banned whatever the end result was. So why even make that a thing? That’s weird as hell. The only issue I mentioned down there was fans throwing stuff. That’s cowardly, it’s scumbag tactics. And fans like that need to be handled. I’m tired of it being overlooked, accepted, normalized. Especially when the player that gets stuff thrown isn’t liked. Fans get too many passes for acting like clowns. This is a perfect example of most people either justifying what they did or simply saying hey I don’t care for cousins/he brought it on himself *shrugs*”.

The other issue is I think cousin was a talented big man. He had skills. But I also know the situation he was in? A complete mess. It wasn’t a winning environment nor culture in Sac. And as of today? Still ain’t imo. Sabonis is next to be traded. Wasting his talent in a crappy organization. Who traded added Zach Lavine. A guy who doesn’t push the needle at all.

Does cousin deserve blame for his career? Certainly. Never said he was exempt from that. Just like I never said he was innocent in Puerto Rico. Like the fans and kings franchise? I’m merely highlighting what most fans either don’t talk about, don’t care or when folks are critical the energy doesn’t match. Notice how you went in on cousins and still do? That’s fine. That same energy isn’t matched for how terrible the kings franchise is. That’s all I’m saying. All this breakdown how cousins is a loser, inefficient etc but it’s mild chatter when we speak on how much of a dump Sacramento is. Sabonis won’t sniff the playoffs again there. Dog shyt franchise. Theres no winning culture there

And if Rudy gobert played there for 6-7 years you would be agreeing with everything im saying about that franchise.[/QUOTE]

Probably would have an opinion on gobert of he had been withe kings. Not much doubt in my mind that he would have made them conpetitive as sabonis did. They make tgose around them better. While cousins is a shit show

[QUOTE=GOBB;15014211]What issues does Sabonis seem to have?[/QUOTE]

A center that doesnt protect the rim for starters