Nick Wright is liar - "90's East weak" but 6 team in 97 East had 54+ win and 2 had 60

[QUOTE=Da_Realist;15014598]I don't know how you came up with those numbers but I'm curious as to how your system ranks the players for the 97 and 98 Jazz against the 97 and 98 Lakers. Let's see if your rankings would justify the Jazz winning 8 out of 9 playoff games.[/QUOTE]


I'm not talking about any specific player or team.

My numbers are just averages. If there are 23 teams the best player on each team, on average, is the 12th best player in the league and the 2nd best on each team is on average the 35th best. Etc.

I'm not saying the best players in 97 were any better or worse than the best players 10 years earlier or later. Just that overall the league average player was worse and that the best players were spread more thinly because there were more teams, but no increased talent pool.

The talent pool increased over the subsequent decade as the league globalized.

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My numbers are just averages. [/QUOTE]

Your numbers are a crock of shit.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15014649]Your numbers are a crock of shit.[/QUOTE]

Only if you can't comprehend basic math

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15014409]No increase in talent pool? Absolute bullshit. The NBA had exploded in popularity by then. More and more kids were dying to be pro ballers.

Also if your second sentence is true, good because being a 1st option when you would have been a 2nd years before makes you a better player with more responsibility. Same with 3rd becoming 2nd options.

The "expansion era" being weak in one of the biggest myths in NBA history which has been debunked in every conceivable way. It's peddled only by LeBron deepthroaters or kids who probably werent even born back then.[/QUOTE]

Got links explaining how that alleged myth has been debunked? Expansion led to the term "watered down" to describe the league at that time.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15014655]Got links explaining how that alleged myth has been debunked? Expansion led to the term "watered down" to describe the league at that time.[/QUOTE]

I've done this 100 times on here before, I'm not doing it again. Do your own ****ing research.

Plus anyone using the term "weak expansion era" has an agenda and mindset that isn't going to be changed by any link that I could post.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15014420]International players are better now. Obviously Americans were the best source of players back in the day...because they were the only ones who played the sport :lol

If Jokic, SGA, Luka, and Giannis didn't exist maybe Ant has two 27ppg titles and is talked about differently.

The earth has a lot of people outside of the US, and they care more about basketball than they did 30-40 years ago. Is what it is and it's not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
Well, the sport wasn't even invented by an american in the first place. Lol.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15014658]I've done this 100 times on here before, I'm not doing it again. Do your own ****ing research.

Plus anyone using the term "weak expansion era" has an agenda and mindset that isn't going to be changed by any link that I could post.[/QUOTE]

You made the claim, chico.... it's up to you to back it up.

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[B]Back-to-Back Runs to the WCF at 22-23 Years Old - KJ vs ANT[/B]


[indent][I]Regular Season[/I]

[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html#1989-1990-sum:advanced]89' and 90' KJ[/url]'.......... 21.5 per... 0.191 ws/48... 4.6 obpm... 0.0 dbpm... 59.1 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]53.7 league avg[/url])
[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwaran01.html#2024-2025-sum:advanced]24' and 25' ANT[/url]........ 19.9 per... 0.135 ws/48... 3.6 obpm... 0.2 dbpm... 58.5 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]57.8 league avg[/url])


[I]Playoffs[/I]

[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html#1989-1990-sum:advanced_post]89' and 90' KJ[/url]'.......... 21.4 per... 0.169 ws/48... 5.2 obpm... 0.6 dbpm... 58.2 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]54.1 league avg[/url])
[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwaran01.html#2024-2025-sum:advanced_post]24' and 25' ANT[/url]........ 21.3 per... 0.163 ws/48... 4.7 obpm... 1.7 dbpm... 58.1 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]56.6 league avg[/url])[/indent]




[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15014420]

If Jokic, SGA, Luka, and Giannis didn't exist maybe Ant has two 27ppg titles and is talked about differently.


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A league with better Americans like MJ, Magic, Bird, (or Kobe, KD, Duncan and Lebron) is tougher than a league where the best American is worse than KJ (above)..

Since Americans are still the majority of the NBA, and since American basketball has devolved from MJ to less than KJ, we know that today's NBA player is worse on average than previous eras.. Hope this has helped improve your rudimentary understanding of this issue.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15014685].
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[B]Back-to-Back Runs to the WCF at 22-23 Years Old - KJ vs ANT[/B]


[indent][I]Regular Season[/I]

[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html#1989-1990-sum:advanced]89' and 90' KJ[/url]'.......... 21.5 per... 0.191 ws/48... 4.6 obpm... 0.0 dbpm... 59.1 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]53.7 league avg[/url])
[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwaran01.html#2024-2025-sum:advanced]24' and 25' ANT[/url]........ 19.9 per... 0.135 ws/48... 3.6 obpm... 0.2 dbpm... 58.5 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]57.8 league avg[/url])


[I]Playoffs[/I]

[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html#1989-1990-sum:advanced_post]89' and 90' KJ[/url]'.......... 21.4 per... 0.169 ws/48... 5.2 obpm... 0.6 dbpm... 58.2 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]54.1 league avg[/url])
[url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwaran01.html#2024-2025-sum:advanced_post]24' and 25' ANT[/url]........ 21.3 per... 0.163 ws/48... 4.7 obpm... 1.7 dbpm... 58.1 ts ([url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html]56.6 league avg[/url])[/indent]







A league with better Americans like MJ, Magic, Bird, (or Kobe, KD, Duncan and Lebron) is tougher than a league where the best American is worse than KJ (above)..

Since Americans are still the majority of the NBA, and since American basketball has devolved from MJ to less than KJ, we know that today's NBA player is worse on average than previous eras.. Hope this has helped improve your rudimentary understanding of this issue.[/QUOTE]

You keep comparing KJ and Ant stats like it means something. It doesn't prove that he's better, it proves the rest of the league was worse... Because we know that he wasn't better.

A worse player can get better stats if his competition isn't as good. Does that not compute with you?

[QUOTE=AussieSteve;15014888]You keep comparing KJ and Ant stats like it means something. It doesn't prove that he's better, it proves the rest of the league was worse... Because we know that he wasn't better.

A worse player can get better stats if his competition isn't as good. Does that not compute with you?[/QUOTE]
I'm a bit hesitant to use this as an example to what you're trying to point out here. But doesn't that one sound similar to saying that lebron shines best and does great playing on a team full of scrubs?