LeBron whining about "ring culture" in the NBA

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016400]Carmelo played in 16 playoff series in his career and won 3.

His playoff record is 23-55.

He made it to the 3rd round once and made it to the 2nd round once.

I understand that not everyone is lucky to play with other all time greats, but sorry that's not the resume of a winning player. Yes I know he won in college but talent gets you further in college than it does in the pros.[/QUOTE]

Also in tbe international environment he was a standout amongst the best players in the world. Hes a winner, he just didn't have the situation to win in the NBA. I'll give you a hot take. Idolized Mj as a teen as much as anyone here....but, you mean to tell me prime Melo wasn't capable of doing what [B]2nd 3peat[/B] Mj did at least offensively? He had the perfect toolbox for the specific role. I had to bold the 2nd 3peat so nobody gets the idea im.saying Melo is Mj. And this is coming from someone who never really was a Melo fan.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016482]Also in tbe international environment he was a standout amongst the best players in the world. Hes a winner, he just didn't have the situation to win in the NBA. I'll give you a hot take. Idolized Mj as a teen as much as anyone here....but, you mean to tell me prime Melo wasn't capable of doing what [B]2nd 3peat[/B] Mj did at least offensively? He had the perfect toolbox for the specific role. I had to bold the 2nd 3peat so nobody gets the idea im.saying Melo is Mj. And this is coming from someone who never really was a Melo fan.[/QUOTE]

What if prime KD, Wade or Kobe replaced 2nd 3peat MJ offensively? What if MJ or Kobe replaced Lebron on the Heatles? What if

[QUOTE=LAL;15016500]What if prime KD, Wade or Kobe replaced 2nd 3peat MJ offensively? What if MJ or Kobe replaced Lebron on the Heatles? What if[/QUOTE]

Just went ahead and stuck your finger in the socket on this one huh? Honestly any of those guys you mentioned could replace 2nd 3 peat Mj to a reasonable degree enough to win a chip, offensively they all have pretty complete offensive packages. Kobe or Mj couldn't replace LeBron on the heatles only based on his versatility. For example when bosh got hurt he was able to operate as the defacto big and anchor the defense. Meanwhile neither of those guys could win popsicle sticks without tough bigmen. All these guys are great players but they cant all fill each other's roles. My point was prime melos offensive game is as good as any great players game.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016522]Just went ahead and stuck your finger in the socket on this one huh? Honestly any of those guys you mentioned could replace 2nd 3 peat Mj to a reasonable degree enough to win a chip, offensively they all have pretty complete offensive packages. Kobe or Mj couldn't replace LeBron on the heatles only based on his versatility. For example when bosh got hurt he was able to operate as the defacto big and anchor the defense. Meanwhile neither of those guys could win popsicle sticks without tough bigmen. All these guys are great players but they cant all fill each other's roles. My point was prime melos offensive game is as good as any great players game.[/QUOTE]

Glad i exposed you. Thank you.

Melo can replace second 3peat MJ offensively but none of them could
replace legoofy's 2/4 with the Heatles. :oldlol:

I hate you bron stans ugh

[QUOTE=LAL;15016533]Glad i exposed you. Thank you.

Melo can replace second 3peat MJ offensively but none of them could
replace legoofy's 2/4 with the Heatles. :oldlol:

I hate you bron stans ugh[/QUOTE]

Only thing you expose is your inability to stick to a single account to post here, you ain't fooling anybody. On another note. If you watched Mj, 1st 3peat Mj was the otherworldly one of a kind guy, 2nd 3peat Mj is the guy Kobe was able to replicate to the degree that made him atg. Those other guys were offensive legends in their prime, 2nd 3peat Mj was a bit past his, his mind and adjustments to his game was the thing that allowed him to continue being great when he wasn't flying as much anymore.

What Lebron did for the heat was a broader role than Kobe or Mj ever had. Period. Even in their primes. He was obviously their go to scorer as well as their engine to make the offense work. He was also at some point their defensive anchor and covered so much on that end. He was also their closer....you get the picture. He was anything the heat needed him to be to win games. Any hole that needed to be filled he did that. Quit embarrassing yourself.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016643]Only thing you expose is your inability to stick to a single account to post here, you ain't fooling anybody. On another note. If you watched Mj, 1st 3peat Mj was the otherworldly one of a kind guy, 2nd 3peat Mj is the guy Kobe was able to replicate to the degree that made him atg. Those other guys were offensive legends in their prime, 2nd 3peat Mj was a bit past his, his mind and adjustments to his game was the thing that allowed him to continue being great when he wasn't flying as much anymore.

What Lebron did for the heat was a broader role than Kobe or Mj ever had. Period. Even in their primes. He was obviously their go to scorer as well as their engine to make the offense work. He was also at some point their defensive anchor and covered so much on that end. He was also their closer....you get the picture. He was anything the heat needed him to be to win games. Any hole that needed to be filled he did that. Quit embarrassing yourself.[/QUOTE]

Lebron wasn't an anchor, he was a roamer. They had a bunch of great perimeter defenders who could put pressure on the ball similar to the 90s Bulls. Bosh was instrumental to their success on defense in the 2013 Finals. Kobe was the leading scorer as well as the leading playmaker on the Lakers after the Shaq years. Wade took much of the playmaking pressure off James, in fact Lebron did the least amount of playmaking in his career when he was on the Heat. Lebron won a title averaging 25.9 ppg and 6.6 apg in '13.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016522]Just went ahead and stuck your finger in the socket on this one huh? Honestly any of those guys you mentioned could replace 2nd 3 peat Mj to a reasonable degree enough to win a chip, offensively they all have pretty complete offensive packages. Kobe or Mj couldn't replace LeBron on the heatles only based on his versatility. For example when bosh got hurt he was able to operate as the defacto big and anchor the defense. Meanwhile neither of those guys could win popsicle sticks without tough bigmen. All these guys are great players but they cant all fill each other's roles. My point was prime melos offensive game is as good as any great players game.[/QUOTE]



What you said doesn’t even make sense. All I know is LeBron underachieved with the Heat.

[QUOTE=Walk on Water;15016713]What you said doesn’t even make sense. All I know is LeBron underachieved with the Heat.[/QUOTE]

Pretty low standards to post something that goes over your head.....

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15016666]Lebron wasn't an anchor, he was a roamer. They had a bunch of great perimeter defenders who could put pressure on the ball similar to the 90s Bulls. Bosh was instrumental to their success on defense in the 2013 Finals. Kobe was the leading scorer as well as the leading playmaker on the Lakers after the Shaq years. Wade took much of the playmaking pressure off James, in fact Lebron did the least amount of playmaking in his career when he was on the Heat. Lebron won a title averaging 25.9 ppg and 6.6 apg in '13.[/QUOTE]

Nah id disagree, at some points he was absolutely their anchor because he erased other guys mistakes out on the perimeter and could also be the last line of defense. Finished rop 10 in dpoy voting in maimi all 4 seasons, top 5 for 2 of them. 2nd place for one. All Defense every season there. I will admit i think Boshs contributions on defense are under appreciated due to the soft reputation he had, but i dont think he was more important to their defense than Lebron during that run. And yes Wade definitely could take pressure off him as a ball handler but be honest with yourself why did the "bron ball" narrative persist if he wasn't still the primary guy? Or do we finally admit he was able to play a different style in Miami? And dont do it, no need to get Kobe slandered in this thread trying to compare him to Lebron as a playmaker.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016482]Also in tbe international environment he was a standout amongst the best players in the world. Hes a winner, he just didn't have the situation to win in the NBA. I'll give you a hot take. Idolized Mj as a teen as much as anyone here....but, you mean to tell me prime Melo wasn't capable of doing what [B]2nd 3peat[/B] Mj did at least offensively? He had the perfect toolbox for the specific role. I had to bold the 2nd 3peat so nobody gets the idea im.saying Melo is Mj. And this is coming from someone who never really was a Melo fan.[/QUOTE]

MJ during his 2nd 3peat was still way better than Melo. He wasn't jumping out of the gym anymore but he was still a great enough athlete who could get by on his quickness and his jab step. That combined with his total mastery of footwork and post play. Easily superior to Melo.

And trust me I know full well that Melo was a super elite ISO talent, but MJ was truly god tier. The fakes, the counters, the counter to the counters, etc. Plus Melo didn't have MJ's grit, leadership or willingness to take control.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016726]Nah id disagree, at some points he was absolutely their anchor because he erased other guys mistakes out on the perimeter and could also be the last line of defense. Finished rop 10 in dpoy voting in maimi all 4 seasons, top 5 for 2 of them. 2nd place for one. All Defense every season there. I will admit i think Boshs contributions on defense are under appreciated due to the soft reputation he had, but i dont think he was more important to their defense than Lebron during that run. And yes Wade definitely could take pressure off him as a ball handler but be honest with yourself why did the "bron ball" narrative persist if he wasn't still the primary guy? Or do we finally admit he was able to play a different style in Miami? And dont do it, no need to get Kobe slandered in this thread trying to compare him to Lebron as a playmaker.[/QUOTE]

I think the Bron Ball narrative was either his 1st or 2nd Cavs stint. In Miami they took him off the ball a lot, he had to change his game to fit with Wade.