What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have?

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Lue made what I think is a great point regarding the infamous AI stepover. He calls him Doug Collins by mistake, but if Marv Albert doesnt have his emphatic "Then steps OVER Tyronn Lue" call, you could make a valid argument that play doesn't become nearly as iconic as it did.

[QUOTE=Axe;15019842]vvv

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The clip showing it surely looked suspicious though. At least kawhi was able to avenge that loss in the 2019 finals but pachulia wasn't there anymore.[/QUOTE]

^Throwing a bitch fit because he got outed for being borderline retarded. Minus the borerline.

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Dumbest. poster. in. ISH. history.

Jokic is better than Bird ever was.

[QUOTE=pandiani17;15019749]I don't agree with the titles part (he won 4 after all), but he should have won the MVP in 2001-2005 or so and be in the GOAT conversation. He was too lazy to do that, though. Anyway, here are my takes:

[B]-Tim Duncan is Top-5 all-time and should be in GOAT conversations.[/B]
-If Derrick Rose didn't get injured he would won more Regular Season MVPs and also a championship with the Bulls.
-The 2004 Pistons were as good as the 2008 Celtics, but the players don't milk that ring as much as the Celtics' players.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's an unpopular take, or at least not a controversial one. Frankly he ticks all the boxes but for whatever reason when people talk about all-time peaks, I never see his name mentioned. But just look at his first 6-7 years. Dude was like an MVP level, all-NBA performer out the gate and winning titles from his 2nd year. One could argue his prime coinciding with the Shaq/Kobe Lakers probably cost him 2 titles.

His lack of flash and understated personality have unfairly cost him legacy points, because frankly he SHOULD be top 5. Like his career wasn't any worse than someone like Bird or Magic, but he doesn't get the 'they saved the NBA' boost that those two gate( which is not to say they're undeserving, just that Duncan rightly belongs in that class of player in terms of floor impact, individual and team accolades).

[QUOTE=John8204;15019757]Orlando would have won multiple titles if he was loyal, Lakers would have won more, Heat would have won more, [B]Celtics would have won more[/b]. But he was too lazy/toxic and sabotaged those organizations and teams[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Soundwave;15019734]Knicks honestly should have won the 94 NBA Finals ... they had the Rockets beat and on the ropes, if John Starks shoots even 30% from the field for game 7, the Knicks win, he somehow managed to have an 11% from the field game, lmao. Can't even make that shit up.

If Jordan didn't retire I think they do win again because that Bulls team honestly probably would've been the most talented Bulls squad in their run overall. BJ Armstrong was still there with Horace Grant but you add Toni Kukoc as well, that's better than the '96 Bulls, Rodman wasn't as good as Grant + Armstrong combined.[/QUOTE]

The Knicks could have absolutely beat Houston, but John Starks had a knack for coming up short in big games.

All of that is beside the point though. If Chicago isnt ousted in 1994, they likely are in 95 versus Houston who had also just acquired Drexler (nevermind the fact Houston and especially Hakeem always matched up well vs Chicago). At some point fatigue and burnout play a factor, and I dont see the Bulls running the tables for 5 straight.

That's one finals 90s fans were definitely robbed of.

[QUOTE=Tavr;15019853]The Knicks could have absolutely beat Houston, but John Starks had a knack for coming up short in big games.

All of that is beside the point though. If Chicago isnt ousted in 1994, they likely are in 95 versus Houston who had also just acquired Drexler (nevermind the fact Houston and especially Hakeem always matched up well vs Chicago). At some point fatigue and burnout play a factor, and I dont see the Bulls running the tables for 5 straight.

That's one finals 90s fans were definitely robbed of.[/QUOTE]

It makes you wonder...if they win 91-94( so 4 straight), then lose to Houston....do they still win 96-98? Like, how much did MJ being away for 94 and most of 95 preserve his legs for that 2nd run? Or maybe they win 96 and 97 but have nothing left for 98. Interesting to see a 'what if' scenario where MJ doesn't retire and what that means for the championship picture from 93-98.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019826]When you say recognize, do you mean voted in as a player or as a contributor?
There are certain player like Wayne Embry voted in not as a player but as a contributor (even though he had a case to make it as a player.)

Should Derek Fisher be recognized over someone like Marques Johnson?[/QUOTE]

Fisher is number 2 all time in playoff wins, Jackson is top ten in assits, Laimbeer has 5 championships, Green has the consecutive start record, Horry has the most titles of any living player, Iggy has a medal, four rings and an MVP. Those men belong in the Hall

[QUOTE=John8204;15019859]Fisher is number 2 all time in playoff wins, Jackson is top ten in assits, Laimbeer has 5 championships, Green has the consecutive start record, Horry has the most titles of any living player, Iggy has a medal, four rings and an MVP. Those men belong in the Hall[/QUOTE]

You didn't answer the question.
Are they going in as a player or as a contributor? There are many ways to be voted in as a Hall of Famer.

And, you're saying AC Green should be in the Hall of Fame over Amare Stoudemire because he played in 1000+ consecutive games?

[QUOTE=John8204;15019859]Fisher is number 2 all time in playoff wins, Jackson is top ten in assits, Laimbeer has 5 championships, Green has the consecutive start record, Horry has the most titles of any living player, Iggy has a medal, four rings and an MVP. Those men belong in the Hall[/QUOTE]
Lambieer and jackson maybe. Thecrest :facepalm

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019832]McHale would lead his teams to many 44-win seasons of he didn't have Bird, Parish and Dennis Johnson on his squad.

Switch Kevin McHale with Buck Williams on the Nets in the 80s and those are the wins he getting.[/QUOTE]

Bruh, don't disrespect peak McHale. You know what he scored in the playoffs from 1984-85 to 1987-88?

- 23.2 ppg
- 58.3% FG (120 FG+)
- 80.1% FT & 48.0% FTr
- 58.3% 2PT (118 2PT+)
- 64.0% TS (119 TS+)

A 77-game sample against incredibly tough opposition. The East in the '80s was like the West in the '00s and '10s. And yet, Kevin's scoring and efficiency went UP in the postseason. No defensive scheme or matchup could affect him. In that sense, only 2008-2011 Dirk compares.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15019866]Bruh, don't disrespect peak McHale. You know what he scored in the playoffs from 1984-85 to 1987-88?

- 23.2 ppg
- 58.3% FG (120 FG+)
- 80.1% FT & 48.0% FTr
- 58.3% 2PT (118 2PT+)
- 64.0% TS (119 TS+)

A 77-game sample against incredibly tough opposition. The East in the '80s was like the West in the '00s and '10s. And yet, Kevin's scoring and efficiency went UP in the postseason. No defensive scheme or matchup could affect him. In that sense, only 2008-2011 Dirk compares.[/QUOTE]
It didn't go up against Jeff Ruland tho.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019862]You didn't answer the question.
Are they going in as a player or as a contributor? There are many ways to be voted in as a Hall of Famer.

And, you're saying AC Green should be in the Hall of Fame [B]over Amare Stoudemire[/B] because he played in 1000+ consecutive games?[/QUOTE]

Not "over" Stoudemire but the value the Hall places on media awards and statistics over accomplishments is ridiculous

This season only 11 players managed to play the full season...Green did it for 3 decades

Goal tending should be allowed.

Hockey and soccer are exciting because each goal is epic. Even football.

Basketball will become the most exciting sport in the world when dudes are taking it to 7 foot plus goal tenders every game creating posters.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019867]It didn't go up against Jeff Ruland tho.[/QUOTE]

I guess he was busy switching on to 1987 Michael Jordan and blocking his mid-range jump shot.

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AC green was just as good if not better than Rodman.

An Iron Man holier than thou player you can count on versus a demon team cancer who needed Goat players and coaches just to get dude to show up????

Easy Ac Green

Coaches are wildly overrated.

[QUOTE=John8204;15019868]Not "over" Stoudemire but the value the Hall places on media awards and statistics over accomplishments is ridiculous

This season only 11 players managed to play the full season...Green did it for 3 decades[/QUOTE]

While very impressive, it was one accomplishment..

Was he ever even an allstar? I don't think you can put someone in the HOF who was a role player his whole career, despite the reliability.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15019871]I guess he was busy switching on to 1987 Michael Jordan and blocking his mid-range jump shot.

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I used to block people half a foot shorter than me as well.

Phoenix wins the chip in 2011 if they resign Amare.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019878]I used to block people half a foot shorter than me as well.[/QUOTE]

Don't act like you're not impressed.

None of these are unpopular opinions just modest moderate bullshit.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15019871]I guess he was busy switching on to 1987 Michael Jordan and blocking his mid-range jump shot.

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Oh, would you look at that, another block on His Airness from the same game. Mike tried to take it to the rim this time.

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[QUOTE=John8204;15019736]
Shaquille O'Neal was not the most dominant player of all-time, rather he was the most toxic that cost his teams more titles than he won.
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Agree with this.

Gary Payton is the most underrated player of all-time.

The 96-98 Utah Jazz were the second best team of the 90s and I'm not talking about out of teams who didnt win a chip, I'm talking second best period.

Robert Horry should be in the Hall of Fame.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15019858]It makes you wonder...if they win 91-94( so 4 straight), then lose to Houston....do they still win 96-98? Like, how much did MJ being away for 94 and most of 95 preserve his legs for that 2nd run? Or maybe they win 96 and 97 but have nothing left for 98. Interesting to see a 'what if' scenario where MJ doesn't retire and what that means for the championship picture from 93-98.[/QUOTE]

Does Horace Grant leave if MJ never retires? Assuming Chicago has him for 95 it would have definitely made a difference versus Shaq and Orlando. Ditto against Houston. If not though? Then I really don't see how they overcome Orlando's frontline, but if they happened to, its just to meet Houston and overcome theirs. Tall task. Like you also mentioned, its pretty difficult to imagine a reality where Chicago isnt exhausted and running on fumes.

Assuming MJ never retired, I wouldn't bank on them making it all the way to 98. Much less winning it all (as they were constructed).

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15019877]While very impressive, it was one accomplishment..

Was he ever even an allstar? I don't think you can put someone in the HOF who was a role player his whole career, despite the reliability.[/QUOTE]

He was voted in once to karl malones dismay so not really

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15019937]Robert Horry should be in the Hall of Fame.[/QUOTE]
For what?

Mike D'antoni's system made every point guard look better than they actually were

[QUOTE=LAL;15019961]Mike D'antoni's system made every point guard look better than they actually were[/QUOTE]

+1

[QUOTE=LAL;15019961]Mike D'antoni's system made every point guard look better than they actually were[/QUOTE]
Who were some of his PGs besides Nash?

I think the impact of starplayers is overstated by almost everyone to some degree and thus I think every star player gets overrated. Even Jordan, Lebron etc.

Nobody can win alone, but people pit players against each as if they did.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019956]For what?[/QUOTE]


For showing up after the all star break

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15019973]For showing up after the all star break[/QUOTE]

What about before All-Star Break?
Robert Horry has hit only 3 clutch shots in his career. Big Shot Bob is pretty mutch exaggerated.
One in Houston vs Spurs
Lakers vs Kings
Spurs vs Pistons

Robert Horry was the main piece in the Barkley to Houston trade and stunk up the joint for half a season. Was so bad in Phoenix they asked for Ced Ceballos back lol.

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15019887]None of these are unpopular opinions just modest moderate bullshit.[/QUOTE]

It’s called a unpopular opinion, not a ridiculous statement that has no fundamental place even existing in the game.

Yea let’s make basketball a different sport. UNPOPULAR!

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019969]Who were some of his PGs besides Nash?[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure Harden ran point a couple of years in Houston

[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17644562/james-harden-becomes-full-point-guard-houston-rockets[/url]
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-season-did-james-harden-play-point-guard[/url]

His numbers being inflated and/or overrated isn't exactly an unpopular opinion.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15019978]It’s called a unpopular opinion, not a ridiculous statement that has no fundamental place even existing in the game.

Yea let’s make basketball a different sport. UNPOPULAR![/QUOTE]
I genuinely can't tell if he's a troll or not, he constantly makes the absolute dumbest posts :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15019981]I genuinely can't tell if he's a troll or not, he constantly makes the absolute dumbest posts :lol[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty open minded when it comes to basketball, but ya those posts were crazy lol

[QUOTE=Tavr;15019980]Pretty sure Harden ran point a couple of years in Houston

[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17644562/james-harden-becomes-full-point-guard-houston-rockets[/url]
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-season-did-james-harden-play-point-guard[/url]

His numbers being inflated and/or overrated isn't exactly an unpopular opinion.[/QUOTE]

Damn, forget he coached the Rockets and I'm here in Houston lol.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15019977]What about before All-Star Break?
Robert Horry has hit only 3 clutch shots in his career. Big Shot Bob is pretty mutch exaggerated.
One in Houston vs Spurs
Lakers vs Kings
Spurs vs Pistons

Robert Horry was the main piece in the Barkley to Houston trade and stunk up the joint for half a season. Was so bad in Phoenix they asked for Ced Ceballos back lol.[/QUOTE]

Didnt come to play until after the all star break. Sounds like a hofer to me

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15019984]Didnt come to play until after the all star break. Sounds like a hofer to me[/QUOTE]

Put in Steve Kerr and Tayshaun Prince the Hall as well. Bruce Bowen, Vinnie Johnson.