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[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024166]Great rebuttal, as usual :lol[/QUOTE]
How am I supposed to rebut something that doesn't make sense?
For starters:
[QUOTE]Evil whitey[/QUOTE]
Everyone in this movie is Korean :lol
Race is not a discussion at all.
So yea...I harken back to asking if you've seen the film. It just seems like you might not have or where on your phone or something. A difficult way to comprehend a foreign language film.
Parasite? Ridiculous - and this is coming from a HUGE k-drama fan.
Absolute crap list compared to a 20th century one.
And Black Panther gets a nod over any of the Avenger movies - what DEI nonsense.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15024167]How am I supposed to rebut something that doesn't make sense?
For starters:
Everyone in this movie is Korean :lol
Race is not a discussion at all.
So yea...I harken back to asking if you've seen the film. It just seems like you might not have or where on your phone or something. A difficult way to comprehend a foreign language film.[/QUOTE]
The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure, the movie glorifies revenging your supposed oppressor.
But yea tell me more about the deep meaning Im missing.
No wonder intellect is going down if a shock gore movie like that with no purpose but glorifying violence appeals to so many as some deep movie :facepalm
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024173]The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure, the movie glorifies revenging your supposed oppressor.
[B]But yea tell me more about the deep meaning Im missing.[/B]
No wonder intellect is going down if a shock gore movie like that with no purpose but glorifying violence appeals to so many as some deep movie :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Genuine question: do you care? If I actually take the time to do that will you give a shit or just continue to hold the same "analysis" of it that you currently do?
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15024175]Genuine question: do you care? If I actually take the time to do that will you give a shit or just continue to hold the same "analysis" of it that you currently do?[/QUOTE]
I care. The movie is very well rated and Ive had few movies Im so confused by the high rating by.
It just felt utterly pointless. A lot of hyped and then awarded movies are just liked by sheep who go along with everything. But maybe theres more to it. So yeah, tell me what you saw in it.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15024105]Get out is a very good movie. Extremely unique both in perspective and genre fluidity.
Is #8 probably too high? Perhaps. But you’re the only one that it really seems to bother. Hence the call-out.[/QUOTE]
Dude come on. It's a decent horror/suspense movie but it shouldn't be included on a list like this, let alone the top 10.
I could've picked apart more films on the list but your eyes go to the top 10 first and including Get Out just feels like a really bad try hard choice. Only someone interested in virtue signaling or making a political statement would ever think to rank the film that high.
[QUOTE=rmt;15024170]And Black Panther gets a nod over any of the Avenger movies - what DEI nonsense.[/QUOTE]
In reality I don't think there's a single comic book or superhero movie this century that was truly "great".
Avengers is a great blockbuster type movie and fun time, but I wouldn't call it a great film. Dark Knight is legendary because of Heath Ledger, but again I wouldn't call it a great film. Not sure if those movies really deserve this level of adulation.
Black Panther being on the list is just the icing on the cake though.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024186]In reality I don't think there's a single comic book or superhero movie this century that was truly "great".
Avengers is a great blockbuster type movie and fun time, but I wouldn't call it a great film. Dark Knight is legendary because of Heath Ledger, but again I wouldn't call it a great film. Not sure if those movies really deserve this level of adulation.
Black Panther being on the list is just the icing on the cake though.[/QUOTE]
Dark Knight is the only superhero movie that should be on the list.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024177]I care. The movie is very well rated and Ive had few movies Im so confused by the high rating by.
It just felt utterly pointless. A lot of hyped and then awarded movies are just liked by sheep who go along with everything. But maybe theres more to it. So yeah, tell me what you saw in it.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. I'll do this without being snarky then.
[QUOTE]The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure[/QUOTE]
For starters, this is just incorrect. There is no racial angle to this movie whatsoever. This is purely a commentary on classicism and the potential pitfalls when this type of wealth inequality exists, especially in such close quarters as the two families are in in this film (the mansion is above a basement bungalow that the entire poor family lives in). And also pitfalls of certain tactics people can utilize to achieve such status.
I don't think there are any heroes or villains here, as both sides are looked at with a fairly objective lens.
The rich family is looked at as corrupted and almost wholly lacking in empathy, to a level of ignorance as to the struggles of people around them that don't live like they do. There are many nuances that describe this, but a couple of examples would be the wife commenting on the smell of one of the others without knowing what they had gone through that contributed to it. Another is the storm: the rich family enjoyed it and commented on how much they needed the rain (despite the elaborate sprinkler system in their yard), but unbeknownst to them the entire poor family's home was flooded below.
The poor family, on the other hand, is looked at as desperate to the point of being willing to deceive (and ultimately act violent), i.e. their plan that makes up the major plot of the movie. They are willing to lie and steal in an attempt to be more like the rich family. There is also ignorance on their end to, as they are unaware that their moral corruptions will to their own downfall as well, marking their entire plight of rising up the ranks socially as futile.
The violent outburst at the end is a culmination of everything above. The lack of empathy and awareness further angering those below, mixed with the desperation and frustration of the poor family realizing they will never be what they aspire to, leads to an explosion.
This outburst isn't glorified in the slightest though. Looking at it from the perspective of the poor father, in his deceptive attempts to bring his family out of poverty he has had his daughter killed, his wife arrested, and young son detained and he himself has been trapped in a subterranean bunker indefinitely. So this fragile and futile house of cards that he'd built comes crashing down in spectacular fashion, as his life becomes far more fvcked up than it even was before.
So having said that, to me it isn't at all about championing oppressed people to rise up against their oppressors. It's more commenting on what people can be capable of when they spend years festering in frustration (some of it justified), desperation, and jealousy.
On top of that it's beautifully shot, narratively smooth with subtle layers being peeled back in each scene, and darkly humorous. Great movie IMO.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024177]I care. The movie is very well rated and Ive had few movies Im so confused by the high rating by.
It just felt utterly pointless. A lot of hyped and then awarded movies are just liked by sheep who go along with everything. But maybe theres more to it. So yeah, tell me what you saw in it.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. I'll do this without being snarky then.
[QUOTE]The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure[/QUOTE]
For starters, this is just incorrect. There is no racial angle to this movie whatsoever. This is purely a commentary on classicism and the potential pitfalls when this type of wealth inequality exists, especially in such close quarters as the two families are in in this film (the mansion is above a basement bungalow that the entire poor family lives in). And also pitfalls of certain tactics people can utilize to achieve such status.
I don't think there are any heroes or villains here, as both sides are looked at with a fairly objective lens.
The rich family is looked at as corrupted and almost wholly lacking in empathy, to a level of ignorance as to the struggles of people around them that don't live like they do. There are many nuances that describe this, but a couple of examples would be the wife commenting on the smell of one of the others without knowing what they had gone through that contributed to it. Another is the storm: the rich family enjoyed it and commented on how much they needed the rain (despite the elaborate sprinkler system in their yard), but unbeknownst to them the entire poor family's home was flooded below.
The poor family, on the other hand, is looked at as desperate to the point of being willing to deceive (and ultimately act violent), i.e. their plan that makes up the major plot of the movie. They are willing to lie and steal in an attempt to be more like the rich family. There is also ignorance on their end to, as they are unaware that their moral corruptions will to their own downfall as well, marking their entire plight of rising up the ranks socially as futile.
The violent outburst at the end is a culmination of everything above. The lack of empathy and awareness further angering those below, mixed with the desperation and frustration of the poor family realizing they will never be what they aspire to, leads to an explosion.
This outburst isn't glorified in the slightest though. Looking at it from the perspective of the poor father, in his deceptive attempts to bring his family out of poverty he has had his daughter killed, his wife arrested, and young son detained and he himself has been trapped in a subterranean bunker indefinitely. So this fragile and futile house of cards that he'd built comes crashing down in spectacular fashion, as his life becomes far more fvcked up than it even was before.
So having said that, to me it isn't at all about championing oppressed people to rise up against their oppressors. It's more commenting on what people can be capable of when they spend years festering in frustration (some of it justified), desperation, and jealousy.
On top of that it's beautifully shot, narratively smooth with subtle layers being peeled back in each scene, and darkly humorous. Great movie IMO.
Guy at work said he took his young son to see WALL-E and said it was the stupidest movie he'd ever seen. Said throughout the whole movie you just had people repeating "WALL-E" over and over again.
Also surprised that "In Bruges" didn't make the list.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024173]The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure, the movie glorifies revenging your supposed oppressor.
But yea tell me more about the deep meaning Im missing.
No wonder intellect is going down if a shock gore movie like that with no purpose but glorifying violence appeals to so many as some deep movie :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Clearly representative of white power structure?
Honest advice: Leave the propaganda loop you're caught in. Stop consuming liberal media outlets by proxy who often act like present day white males are to blame for atrocities of yesteryears and also stop consuming rightwinger propaganda that acts like theres a transnational conspiracy against whites going on. Stop consuming shit - left and right - that makes everything about race. Race isn't our problem.
Koreans mostly don't give a shit about whites and there's no white power structure in south korea. Why should this be an antiwhite agendapiece?
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024153]The fact you cant see this list is a political statement says it all about you.
They made Parasite 1 and Get Out one of the 10 best movies of the century.
[B]They can do whatever they want with chumps like you. 0 backbone 0 resistance[/B].[/QUOTE]
It's an arbitrary ranking of movies you stupid f@#k :roll:
Completely subjective and opinion based.
This isn't something you "resist" or hit the streets in protest over. :oldlol:
Movies will always have underlying themes, most of which can be translated to politics. They always have and always will. If American History X came out today it would be labeled woke trash. Luckily for it, society wasn't engulfed in tribal politics at the time.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15024222]Movies will always have underlying themes, most of which can be translated to politics. They always have and always will. If American History X came out today it would be labeled woke trash. Luckily for it, society wasn't engulfed in tribal politics at the time.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we weren't so lucky. Society being blind to the woke infiltration of film and culture is how we got into this mess.
I would argue the reason we have so many woke people to begin with, aside from them being gullible and stupid, is due to 25+ years of social conditioning in media. It was a slow, gradual indoctrination.
I would say the seeds of wokism were planted sometime during the 90's.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15024188]Dark Knight is the only superhero movie that should be on the list.[/QUOTE]
Heath's Joker is legendary no doubt. The character itself and also his performance.
But I think the movie is really, REALLY overrated. I definitely don't think it's some all time great piece of cinema.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024231]Heath's Joker is legendary no doubt. The character itself and also his performance.
But I think the movie is really, REALLY overrated. I definitely don't think it's some all time great piece of cinema.[/QUOTE]
While I agree, I don't think you have to be some all-time great piece of cinema to make a top 100 movies list in the last 25 years. :lol
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15024153]The fact you cant see this list is a political statement says it all about you.
They made Parasite 1 and Get Out one of the 10 best movies of the century.
They can do whatever they want with chumps like you. 0 backbone 0 resistance.[/QUOTE]
You're a conspiracy nut...stay being a useful idiot though.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024228]Maybe we weren't so lucky. Society being blind to the woke infiltration of film and culture is how we got into this mess.
I would argue the reason we have so many woke people to begin with, aside from them being gullible and stupid, is due to 25+ years of social conditioning in media. It was a slow, gradual indoctrination.
I would say the seeds of wokism were planted sometime during the 90's.[/QUOTE]
The little man overcoming the big man is basically every movie ever in a nutshell. It isn't 25+ years, it's all of cinema. And it isn't a mess, humans enjoy seeing the underdog triumph, it is much more entertaining and meaningful than the other way around.
You gotta get over it because that theme isn't going anywhere.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15023837]The New York Times compiled a list of the 100 greatest movies of the 21st century. More than 500 filmmakers, stars and influential film fans were asked to vote for the 10 best movies (however they chose to define that) released since Jan. 1, 2000. Perusing some of the individual ballots reveals a wide variety of choices and tastes and often precious little overlap. Still, from all that data a ranked list of 100 was compiled.
06. No Country For Old Men (Joel & Ethan Coen)
14. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino)
15. City of God (Fernando Meirelles)
20. The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese)
28. The Dark Knight
31. The Departed (Martin Scorsese)
41. Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
44. Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino)
45. Moneyball (Bennett Miller)
55. Inception (Christopher Nolan)
62. Memento (Christopher Nolan)
76. O Brother, Where Art Thou (Joel & Ethan Coen)
85. Anchorman (Adam McKay)
87. The Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson)
91. Fish Tank (Andrea Arnold)
92. Gladiator (Ridley Scott)
94. Minority Report (Steven Spielberg)
100. Superbad (Greg Motolla)
[/QUOTE]
These are the ones ive seen.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15024234]The little man overcoming the big man is basically every movie ever in a nutshell. It isn't 25+ years, it's all of cinema. And it isn't a mess, humans enjoy seeing the underdog triumph, it is much more entertaining and meaningful than the other way around.
You gotta get over it because that theme isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE]
Wokism has nothing to do something being an underdog story.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024236]Wokism has nothing to do something being an underdog story.[/QUOTE]
It has everything to do with that.
You have someone in this thread who translated Parasite's theme of the lower class overcoming the upper class to woke black and white shit despite the fact that it is a foreign film with all Koreans :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15024242]It has everything to do with that.
[B]You have someone in this thread who translated Parasite's theme of the lower class overcoming the upper class to woke black and white shit despite the fact that it is a foreign film with all Koreans :oldlol:[/B][/QUOTE]
What a stupid take lol.
[video=youtube;esZuwmgXRZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esZuwmgXRZE[/video]
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15024242]It has everything to do with that.
You have someone in this thread who translated Parasite's theme of the lower class overcoming the upper class to woke black and white shit despite the fact that it is a foreign film with all Koreans :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen Parasite so I can't speak on that.
A woke movie is any movie that preaches woke ideals and/or features a woke production element that comes at the expense of the film.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024254]I haven't seen Parasite so I can't speak on that.
A woke movie is any movie that preaches woke ideals and/or features a woke production element that comes at the expense of the film.[/QUOTE]
Any movie where the underdog overcomes can be translated to woke.
If Star Wars came out today you fools would declare it is woke trash about liberal minorities and women overcoming the evil Empire of white men.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15024255]Any movie where the underdog overcomes can be translated to woke.
If Star Wars came out today you fools would declare it is woke trash about liberal minorities and women overcoming the evil Empire of white men.[/QUOTE]
Your definition of "woke" just shows how ignorant you are. I'm not surprised. One of the symptoms of being woke is lacking self awareness and not realizing that you're woke.
We know the original Star Wars films aren't woke because Disney has done everything in their power to move as far away from them as they can. They consider the old films to be [I]problematic[/I]. Practically every decision Disney makes as it relates to new Star Wars material is "How can we make this as totally different from the original films as possible..."
In the original film the imperial bad guys are agnostic and look down on religion, putting their faith in technology and science instead. Meanwhile the rag tag good guys are driven by their religious faith in the force. That would never be the case today. Woke people are mostly atheist and detest religion. That's why in each new series or movie they go out of their way to deconstruct the jedi and make them out to be evil.
The heroes in the old films were also problematic. Leia is a brave woman, but she is also feminine. She is beautiful. She lusts and she craves. Her entire arc in the second film is coming to grips with being able to admit she's in love. That also would never fly today. The female protagonists in Star Wars now are practically defined by how NOT like Leia they are. They're fierce, they know kung fu... and they don't even think about men or romance.
Han Solo is cocky, brash and alpha... and white. Enough said there. None of the male heroes they've created since have come close to his level of cool or swag. The male heroes now are all beta cucks who need to be led around by a more capable woman. The most egregious example being the Obi-Wan series where a 10 year old Leia takes charge and the adult jedi master must constantly defer to her judgement and is pulled along by her strong will.
If the old Star Wars movies are woke, Disney definitely did not get the memo.
I'm not going on my definition of woke, I don't think any of this shit is woke at all. I'm going off the "Parasite is Woke" definition presented in here.
And your idea of what movies are allowed to do and not do is :roll:
[QUOTE]Han Solo is cocky, brash and alpha... and white. Enough said there. None of the male heroes they've created since have come close to his level of cool or swag. [/QUOTE]
WTF is Deadpool and Wolverine then? THEY couldn't exist THEN, not the other way around. People's heads would explode :oldlol:
You guys are just idiots with this political shit
Speaking of Wolverine
Logan > Dark Knight
should be listed
Sicario needs to be added to the list.
Remember when warriorfan said that Brokeback Mountain was the GOAT movie?
I wonder how upset he would be seeing it outside of the top-10 in here.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024267]Your definition of "woke" just shows how ignorant you are. I'm not surprised. One of the symptoms of being woke is lacking self awareness and not realizing that you're woke.
We know the original Star Wars films aren't woke because Disney has done everything in their power to move as far away from them as they can. They consider the old films to be [I]problematic[/I]. Practically every decision Disney makes as it relates to new Star Wars material is "How can we make this as totally different from the original films as possible..."
In the original film the imperial bad guys are agnostic and look down on religion, putting their faith in technology and science instead. Meanwhile the rag tag good guys are driven by their religious faith in the force. That would never be the case today. Woke people are mostly atheist and detest religion. That's why in each new series or movie they go out of their way to deconstruct the jedi and make them out to be evil.
The heroes in the old films were also problematic. Leia is a brave woman, but she is also feminine. She is beautiful. She lusts and she craves. Her entire arc in the second film is coming to grips with being able to admit she's in love. That also would never fly today. The female protagonists in Star Wars now are practically defined by how NOT like Leia they are. They're fierce, they know kung fu... and they don't even think about men or romance.
Han Solo is cocky, brash and alpha... and white. Enough said there. None of the male heroes they've created since have come close to his level of cool or swag. The male heroes now are all beta cucks who need to be led around by a more capable woman. The most egregious example being the Obi-Wan series where a 10 year old Leia takes charge and the adult jedi master must constantly defer to her judgement and is pulled along by her strong will.
If the old Star Wars movies are woke, Disney definitely did not get the memo.[/QUOTE]
The Empire was actually based on Nazis and PalpatineÂ’s rise is meant to mirror HitlerÂ’s. Lucas has disclosed this before. The main message is that democracy is fragile and can easily give way to dictatorship. The rest of the themes arenÂ’t that deep, he took elements from films he liked like Seven Samurai and various westerns to hodgepodge everything into a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that, it worked and it was fun.
And your characterization of the whole good guys are the Christians and bad guys are the atheists is hilarious considering Palpatine is basically a megachurch pastor.
Finally, Star Wars was written during the Vietnam war and has taken influence from that. ThatÂ’s why the rebels are seen to engage in guerilla warfare against the much larger and well funded empire.
Training Day needs to be on there. And none of ya’ll like Curse of the Black Pearl? Just rewatched it with my daughter and it still holds up.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15024291]Training Day needs to be on there. And none of ya’ll like Curse of the Black Pearl? Just rewatched it with my daughter and it still holds up.[/QUOTE]
Training Day was truly the biggest omission, it should've made it just on Denzel's performance alone. Personally, I would've had Collateral there too.
Highest rated IMDB not included on the list is The Prestige
probably should be on there.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15024290]The Empire was actually based on Nazis and PalpatineÂ’s rise is meant to mirror HitlerÂ’s. Lucas has disclosed this before. The main message is that democracy is fragile and can easily give way to dictatorship. The rest of the themes arenÂ’t that deep, he took elements from films he liked like Seven Samurai and various westerns to hodgepodge everything into a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that, it worked and it was fun.
And your characterization of the whole good guys are the Christians and bad guys are the atheists is hilarious considering Palpatine is basically a megachurch pastor.
Finally, Star Wars was written during the Vietnam war and has taken influence from that. ThatÂ’s why the rebels are seen to engage in guerilla warfare against the much larger and well funded empire.[/QUOTE]
Palpatine was not a dark jedi character in the original film, that was changed for the sequel. In the original film the emperor is referred to as just a regular politician. Darth Vader's role was always changed. In the original he is not a member of the Empire, he is a bounty hunter in their employ. The imperial officers don't respect his so called "religion".
With all due respect I don't care what Lucas says. He's stupid and autistic as well. A mad genius obviously but his views are not gospel. This is the same guy who decided out of the blue that Leia was Luke's sister. Even if he was looking to end the series with a clean break, that decision was pure mental retardation. He's also the same guy who retroactively declared that the force is something in your blood.
Point being, Lucas says a lot of dumb shit. That original film is not political. It's not a movie that appeals to just democrats or just republicans, unlike today's woke Star Wars that's made almost exclusively for woke lesbians and beta boys.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15024307]Palpatine was not a dark jedi character in the original film, that was changed for the sequel. In the original film the emperor is referred to as just a regular politician. Darth Vader's role was always changed. In the original he is not a member of the Empire, he is a bounty hunter in their employ. The imperial officers don't respect his so called "religion".
With all due respect I don't care what Lucas says. He's stupid and autistic as well. A mad genius obviously but his views are not gospel. This is the same guy who decided out of the blue that Leia was Luke's sister. Even if he was looking to end the series with a clean break, that decision was pure mental retardation. He's also the same guy who retroactively declared that the force is something in your blood.
Point being, Lucas says a lot of dumb shit. That original film is not political. It's not a movie that appeals to just democrats or just republicans, unlike today's woke Star Wars that's made almost exclusively for woke lesbians and beta boys.[/QUOTE]
If the original were released today you'd say the same damn thing.
C-3PO and R2-D2 would be labeled a gay LGBT Robot couple. The Empire would be WHITE MALE.
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Emperor_RotJ.png[/IMG]
THIS wasn't a "dark jedi character" ??????
[IMG]https://i0.wp.com/media3.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif?ssl=1[/IMG]
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15024293]Training Day was truly the biggest omission, it should've made it just on Denzel's performance alone. Personally, I would've had Collateral there too.[/QUOTE]
Collateral is a good one. I feel like Donnie Darko, the Pianist and the Machinist would be shoe-ins; and as someone who isn’t the biggest movie buff I really liked Road to Perdition, John Wick, Edge of Tomorrow, Taken and Midnight in Paris. But I’m not an artsy fartsy guy, I simply judge by what I enjoyed watching I’ll never understand several of these movies that literally put me to sleep. I would have put Undisputed 2 in there over some of these based solely on entertainment value.