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[QUOTE=Baller234;15025849]Obviously it's sus, and obviously he's trying to throw water on the fire.
There could be a lot of reasons for that. That's all we're saying. Him being a kiddy diddler is just one of many.[/QUOTE]
Right, and that's fair.
Though this whole situation obviously involves kiddy diddling and is a very serious matter and managing it like this has been piss poor. It deserves real criticism, and I think saying that doesn't mean I have TDS like some would write it off as.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15025844]What evidence then? Show us.[/QUOTE]
Evidence is not proof and there is loads of it, what the OP posted in this thread is evidence.
Him being best buddies with Epstein is evidence. Him going out of his way to hide the files is evidence. Elon Musk saying that Trump is listed is evidence. The women claiming he abused them is evidence. Various comments he has made from the past during beauty events and whatnot is evidence.
There is enough there for people to make the same assumptions they make about OJ Simpson.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025849]Obviously it's sus, and obviously he's trying to throw water on the fire.
There could be a lot of reasons for that. That's all we're saying. Him being a kiddy diddler is just one of many.[/QUOTE]
If Epstein had clients for his pedobusiness there aren't many reasons. Only two. Either he was a client or he's protecting them. The motives for the latter don't even matter.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15025856]Right, and that's fair.
Though this whole situation obviously involves kiddy diddling and is a very serious matter and managing it like this has been piss poor. It deserves real criticism, and I think saying that doesn't mean I have TDS like some would write it off as.[/QUOTE]
I never said it wasn't fair to criticize Trump over this. This is the biggest political blunder he's ever made. If he played his cards differently then no one would even be talking about Esptein right now. It's an extremely uncharacteristic move by him, that's why I'm so skeptical of his involvement.
But, at the same time, the Epstein stuff was not the issue I cared about most when voting for Trump.
Aside from any guilt, the ENTIRE APPEAL to Donald Trump was that he was outsider to expose it all for us. Drain the Swamp. Expose the Deep State. Expose the "fake news". Release the conspiracies. Tell it to us like it is, etc.
From Drain the Swamp to “he’s afraid for his life”.
Very alpha. #Winning
[QUOTE=Overdrive;15025858]If Epstein had clients for his pedobusiness there aren't many reasons. Only two. Either he was a client or he's protecting them. [B]The motives for the latter don't even matter.[/B][/QUOTE]
Of course they do.
Let's look at Trump options:
- Continue to kick ass in the WH and try to futher the MAGA agenda
- Make an immediate an enemy out of all the most powerful people in the world (including Israeli blackmailers as you guys are claiming), expose their whole charade, force their backs against the wall and give them zero reason not to kill you.
Hmmm... tough choice.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15025863]From Drain the Swamp to “he’s afraid for his life”.
Very alpha. #Winning[/QUOTE]
Not just afraid for his life, but avoiding an all out nuclear war. It would probably bring the whole house down. You know that.
Admit that's your real intention then. You're just as an arsonist that wants to see the whole thing burn down, especially if Trump goes down with it.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025865]Not just afraid for his life, but avoiding an all out nuclear war. It would probably bring the whole house down. You know that.
Admit that's your real intention then. You're just as an arsonist that wants to see the whole thing burn down, especially if Trump goes down with it.[/QUOTE]
How so? :oldlol:
This is a lie you are telling yourself to excuse Trump.
We already believe that the Trump, the most powerful man in the world, is a pedophile, and there is no nuclear war.
He is 80 years old on top of that and near the end of the rope anyway.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15025867]How so? :oldlol:
This is a lie you are telling yourself to excuse Trump.
We already believe that the Trump, the most powerful man in the world, is a pedophile, and there is no nuclear war.
He is 80 years old on top of that and near the end of the rope anyway.[/QUOTE]
So if Trump releases the info. Exposes all the pedos, all the traffickers, all the [B]blackmailers[/B]... you don't think there's going to be fallout?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025868]So if Trump releases the info. Exposes all the pedos, all the traffickers, all the [B]blackmailers[/B]... you don't think there's going to be fallout?[/QUOTE]
Not for us, no. Within themselves sure.
The most notable links in all this outside of Trump are Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew. Anyone outside of the US would just deny. I mean, what exactly are you imagining here? The President of Israel is listed and then when that is exposed he decides to nuke us? :oldlol: He would simply deny it or ignore it.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025864]Of course they do.
Let's look at Trump options:
- Continue to kick ass in the WH and try to futher the MAGA agenda
- Make an immediate an enemy out of all the most powerful people in the world (including Israeli blackmailers as you guys are claiming), expose their whole charade, force their backs against the wall and give them zero reason not to kill you.
Hmmm... tough choice.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a conspiracy nut that follows any political storyline, because it fits and hurts the "enemy". There could just not be a list and anything Trump and Bondi promissed was a lie and he's actually honest rn. I doubt he'd be in bigger danger upon revealing anything than he's now.
What contradicting point 1 is that he's actually alienating alot of his base. Directly by calling them stupid, not following through on promisses while financially hurting them. One of the promisses was to make an enemy out of the most powerful people. He promissed to drain the swamp, promissed to crack down on the elites, uncover the deepstate. Now that a personal involvement is possible it's logicsl that he can't do that? Why did anyone believe that in the first place?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025865]Not just afraid for his life, but avoiding an all out nuclear war. It would probably bring the whole house down. You know that.
Admit that's your real intention then. You're just as an arsonist that wants to see the whole thing burn down, especially if Trump goes down with it.[/QUOTE]
And while the MAGAs why crying for releasing the list it wouldn't have brought the house down? You're drawing a scenario that wouldn't happen even if every president or prime minister of every country would be on the Epstein list.
The reason for your whole argumentation is that you'd be ashamed you fell for a pedo if Trump's on the list. Thst's all.
[QUOTE=Overdrive;15025871]And while the MAGAs why crying for releasing the list it wouldn't have brought the house down? You're drawing a scenario that wouldn't happen even if every president or prime minister of every country would be on the Epstein list.
The reason for your whole argumentation is that you'd be ashamed you fell for a pedo if Trump's on the list. Thst's all.[/QUOTE]
What would I have to feel shame for? I never once voted for Trump because I thought he was such a great human being.
That's how you guys vote. I voted for his policies.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025868]So if Trump releases the info. Exposes all the pedos, all the traffickers, all the [B]blackmailers[/B]... you don't think there's going to be fallout?[/QUOTE]
That’s why he has the entirety of the country at his disposal. Doesn’t seem like he cares for backlash by using ICe against immigrants and trying to overstep with state and municipalities in California.
The guy has a strong history of poking the hornets nest. Give me a break.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15025869]Not for us, no. Within themselves sure.
The most notable links in all this outside of Trump are Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew. Anyone outside of the US would just deny. I mean, what exactly are you imagining here? The President of Israel is listed and then when that is exposed he decides to nuke us? :oldlol: He would simply deny it or ignore it.[/QUOTE]
You don't think an all out nuclear political war would have a ripple effect for us? At the very least it would be total chaos and mayhem.
Not to mention there would be all sorts of politicians getting killed left and right. It would be a total shit show.
Personally I could understand why Trump would want to avoid all that. He too would probably be on the chopping block. He's already survived an attempt on his life.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025880]You don't think an all out nuclear political war would have a ripple effect for us? At the very least it would be total chaos and mayhem.
Not to mention there would be all sorts of politicians getting killed left and right. It would be a total shit show.
Personally I could understand why Trump would want to avoid all that. He too would probably be on the chopping block. He's already survived an attempt on his life.[/QUOTE]
It would have a positive ripple effect for us and we should want them to kill each other, although that is not at all what would happen. What would happen is Trump being impeached and JD Vance, who is 100% innocent in all of this, would be the new POTUS. The policies that you voted for and love so much would remain intact.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15025882]It would have a positive ripple effect for us and we should want them to kill each other, although that is not at all what would happen. What would happen is Trump being impeached and JD Vance, who is 100% innocent in all of this, would be the new POTUS. The policies that you voted for and love so much would remain intact.[/QUOTE]
It would cause unrest and upset the stable order.
But like I already said countless times, I am more than willing to install Vance if it turns out that Trump was involved.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025886]It would cause unrest and upset the stable order.
But like I already said countless times, I am more than willing to install Vance if it turns out that Trump was involved.[/QUOTE]
Trump being found guilty and being impeached would actually have an extremely positive effect on the political divide within the US. There would be less unrest. We would finally start to heal a bit.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15025887]Trump being found guilty and being impeached would actually have an extremely positive effect on the political divide within the US. There would be less unrest. We would finally start to heal a bit.[/QUOTE]
Lol okay pal.
If Trump goes down, so do all of your woke idols that you put on a pedestal. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025872]What would I have to feel shame for? I never once voted for Trump because I thought he was such a great human being.
That's how you guys vote. I voted for his policies.[/QUOTE]
Lol, his policies are ass. All polls now show him underwater in every policy issue, even immigration :roll:
What great policies are you talking about? Serious question. Immigration? Apparently the American people aren't cool with deporting grandma and shipping her off to El Salvador without due process. Economy? Things are only getting more expensive, mostly due to his stupid tariffs war vs the world that hasn't netted any tangible results other than push more countries to make trade deals with China. National debt? It's only gotten worse with more tax cuts for those who don't need it, kicking out millions from Medicare and Medicaid, Meals on Wheels, SNAP, cutting cancer research, firing thousands of vets who were federal employees, cutting funding for the National Weather Service, the blood of little kids who died during those Texas floods are on Trump and DOGE's hands, acting like a warmonger when he said he'd be the peace candidate :oldlol: and refusing to reign in that genocidal maniac Netanyahu, meanwhile the war in Ukraine continues, he said he would solve it in his first day...
No wonder a majority of Americans reject his fat ass now, he's been nothing short of a disaster.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15025891]Lol, his policies are ass. All polls now show him underwater in every policy issue, even immigration :roll:
What great policies are you talking about? Serious question. Immigration? Apparently the American people aren't cool with deporting grandma and shipping her off to El Salvador without due process. Economy? Things are only getting more expensive, mostly due to his stupid tariffs war vs the world that hasn't netted any tangible results other than push more countries to make trade deals with China. National debt? It's only gotten worse with more tax cuts for those who don't need it, kicking out millions from Medicare and Medicaid, Meals on Wheels, SNAP, cutting cancer research, firing thousands of vets who were federal employees, cutting funding for the National Weather Service, the blood of little kids who died during those Texas floods are on Trump and DOGE's hands, acting like a warmonger when he said he'd be the peace candidate :oldlol: and refusing to reign in that genocidal maniac Netanyahu, meanwhile the war in Ukraine continues, he said he would solve it in his first day...
No wonder a majority of Americans reject his fat ass now, he's been nothing short of a disaster.[/QUOTE]
Left leaning CNN claims that Trump's approval ratings are rock solid.
[url]https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1945880475756548324[/url]
It's not heavenly to lie, especially for someone who claims to be a god-fearing individual such as yourself.
AI -
[B]How many people within the FBI have access to the Epstein files?[/B]
[QUOTE]
As of July 2025, information suggests that a significant number of FBI personnel have been involved in reviewing and processing the Jeffrey Epstein files, which contain a large volume of sensitive material, including images and videos of child abuse.
[B]Recent reports, notably from July 2025, indicate that approximately 1,000 FBI personnel, potentially including those who typically focus on national security, were assigned to review the roughly 100,000 documents related to Epstein.[/B]
This large-scale effort was prompted by a push to make the files public, and there are allegations of a chaotic process with constantly changing instructions and a high volume of agents spending more time waiting for instructions than reviewing files.
Some sources suggest that usual permission restrictions on access to these files may not have been in place during this period, potentially leaving them accessible to a wider group of people within the relevant division than normal.
It's important to note that the FBI and the Department of Justice have stated they have conducted a thorough review of the files and that further disclosure of information may not be warranted. [/QUOTE]
Lots of people out there are walking around with the truth. Too many to pay off. Too many to threaten.
The real chaos and mayhem over this issue? Is within the FBI.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025893]Left leaning CNN claims that Trump's approval ratings are rock solid.
[url]https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1945880475756548324[/url]
It's not heavenly to lie, especially for someone who claims to be a god-fearing individual such as yourself.[/QUOTE]
You really do live in an alternate reality :roll:
[Quote]WASHINGTON, July 29 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s approval rating dropped one percentage point to 40%, the lowest level of his second term in office, as Americans remained concerned about his handling of the economy and immigration, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found.
The three-day poll, which closed on Monday, surveyed 1,023 U.S. adults nationwide and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points. It showed a nation deeply polarized over Trump, with 83% of Republicans and just 3% of Democrats approving of his performance. About one-third of independents approved.[/quote]
[url]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-rating-sinks-40-lowest-his-term-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2025-07-29/[/url]
[QUOTE=TheMan;15025895]You really do live in an alternate reality :roll:
[url]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-rating-sinks-40-lowest-his-term-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2025-07-29/[/url][/QUOTE]
When right leaning cable news and left leaning cable news agree on something, it's probably true.
The world is not your gay little circle.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025896]When right leaning cable news and left leaning cable news agree on something, it's probably true.
The world is not your gay little circle.[/QUOTE]
Seething lol
[QUOTE=TheMan;15025897]Seething lol[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't lie.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025880]You don't think an all out nuclear political war would have a ripple effect for us? At the very least it would be total chaos and mayhem.
[/QUOTE]
a political war amongst whom exactly? the populist left and right are more united on this issue than anything i can recall in the recent past. our concerns over elite power and accountability are and have been at the forefront and this epstein fiasco only amplifies it ten fold. the inexplicable leniency on display over this issue by now successive administrations just further exposes the elite protection racket that exists and we still don't know the extent of which it spans. the chaos and mayhem you speak of would be amongst everyone in washington and it's periphery that are implicated in all of this. let her *ucking rip.
Baller has created this new excuse to justify Trump, that the fallout would be so great that it would send the world into the chaos. And with this new line of thinking, Baller has essentially made himself the "Deep State" :oldlol:
[QUOTE=diamenz;15025902]a political war amongst whom exactly? [B]the populist left and right are more united on this issue than anything i can recall in the recent past.[/B] our concerns over elite power and accountability are and have been at the forefront and this epstein fiasco only amplifies it ten fold. the inexplicable leniency on display over this issue by now successive administrations just further exposes the elite protection racket that exists and we still don't know the extent of which it spans. the chaos and mayhem you speak of would be amongst everyone in washington and it's periphery that are implicated in all of this. let her *ucking rip.[/QUOTE]They're united on a lot of things. Pro billionaire, pro corporations, pro Israel, etc. The only difference is how much they have to pander to their base, and the battle is really over [I]who[/I] gets to be the one kissing billionaire ass, and thus who the billionaires and corporations "owe one" to. We know Corporate dems fvck with Israel, too, but more of the left supports Palestine so they definitely can't run on that and stay mostly quiet. Clinton, Obama, etc fvk with Trump before they fvck with someone like Bernie. It's pretty obvious.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15025879]That’s why he has the entirety of the country at his disposal. Doesn’t seem like he cares for backlash by [B]using ICe against immigrants[/B] and trying to overstep with state and municipalities in California.
The guy has a strong history of poking the hornets nest. Give me a break.[/QUOTE]
[B]ILLEGAL[/B] immigrants who commit major felonies. Funny how you're so convinced Trump's guilty and call him a pedo but perfectly fine with your boys trafficking children across both ends of the country.
Why is that? Why have their backs, chico?
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15025905]Baller has created this new excuse to justify Trump, that the fallout would be so great that it would send the world into the chaos. And with this new line of thinking, Baller has essentially made himself the "Deep State" :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I already explained my case and laid out the numerous possibilities. If you can't accept that then I don't know what to tell you.
But since you want to talk about "excuses", what was your excuse for 4 years? How many times during Brandon's term did you post on this forum and demand the Epstein files be unsealed? You can make whatever accusations you want. You can go wherever your imagination takes you. It still doesn't change the fact that this was happening for several years and you were perfectly fine with it because you thought it would hurt democrats.
You have absolutely zero leg to stand on here. You just started caring about this 5 minutes ago. If your side had gotten it's way and The Cackler had won, we would not even talking about Epstein now.
You really shouldn't throw stones.
Who has the worst case of Trump Devotion Syndrome, Bawler, Hey Yo or Fatrick?
[QUOTE=diamenz;15025902]a political war amongst whom exactly? the populist left and right are more united on this issue than anything i can recall in the recent past. our concerns over elite power and accountability are and have been at the forefront and this epstein fiasco only amplifies it ten fold. the inexplicable leniency on display over this issue by now successive administrations just further exposes the elite protection racket that exists and we still don't know the extent of which it spans. the chaos and mayhem you speak of would be amongst everyone in washington and it's periphery that are implicated in all of this. let her *ucking rip.[/QUOTE]
The populist left? :oldlol:
I'm talking about a nuclear war behind the scenes. You're the one who keeps insisting that the most powerful people on Earth are implicated. Okay so that means there are literally a million different reasons why Trump would think it's better to keep that stuff hidden, if only out of self preservation.
If you want to hold that against him then by all means. For me personally the Epstein files were nowhere close to being a top issue when I voted for him. If he delivers on the big key issues but we never learn the full truth about Epstein, I could live with that. It would be a stain on his resume and the questions will always linger but I don't really care.
And believe me, neither does the average person.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15025909]Who has the worst case of Trump Devotion Syndrome, Bawler, Hey Yo or Fatrick?[/QUOTE]
Only one of us is vaccinated because of our blind loyalty and faith to a political party, and it's not me.
You worship democrats so much you signed up willingly for an experimental government vaccine. The so called anarchist that hates government and doesn't trust politicians.
I would put the over/under with you at about 3.5 shots.
if Trump personally killed Bawler’s family he would say they deserved it.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15025913]if Trump personally killed Bawler’s family he would say they deserved it.[/QUOTE]
he had to! he feared for his life and the political outfall!
[QUOTE=RRR3;15025913]if Trump personally killed Bawler’s family he would say they deserved it.[/QUOTE]
How come only one of us is vaccinated then?
Why did you sign up for the Brandon vaccine so many times if you're not the one in the cult?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15025915]How come only one of us is vaccinated then?
Why did you sign up for the Brandon vaccine so many times if you're not the one in the cult?[/QUOTE]
I legit don’t think I’ve ever told you I’m vaccinated but even if I had you’re also so senile you forgot it’s Trump who was president for the vaccine developing.
I notice you didn’t deny you’d try and justify Trump killing your family :lol. Instead try to deflect because deep down you know I’m right
3tard you hate Orange Face with so much blind fury and passion. Any admiration or respect that's given to Trump from posters here on the right pales in comparison to your existential devotion to hating him.
You hate Donald Trump and his supporters so much, that you signed up for multiple doses of an experimental government vaccine just to prove it. If I showed even a fraction of that kind of devotion, I would be vaccinated. Trump is the one who pushed it first and attached his name to it and he's the one who said how wonderful it was.
Meanwhile you're a healthy young man and you stuck a needle in your arm to combat a virus with a 99.98% survival rate, all because your cult masters told you to.
There is no getting over that.