Hamas allegedly agrees to release all hostages

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037483]See this is what I'm saying, you guys want it both ways.

You just said that Hamas no longer being in charge is a great thing, okay so then how was Israel not justified in taking action? Wasn't that the goal from the start? To remove Hamas from power? They could have surrendered eons ago.

As for what happens next I honestly don't know. I was hoping someone on that side of the aisle could tell me since they're the experts when it comes to Israel's grand scheme. I didn't know a peace agreement involving other middle eastern countries was part of the plan. I was informed that Bibi was Hitler and just wanted to exterminate goyim.[/QUOTE]

why are you always being glib? do you want to have an honest discussion on the subject or is all that's important to you is the drama side of it? what's your focus gonna be bro? substance or dramatics?

[QUOTE]You just said that Hamas no longer being in charge is a great thing, okay so then how was Israel not justified in taking action? Wasn't that the goal from the start? To remove Hamas from power? [/QUOTE]

why do you assume that you know where i stand on this?

there is no "you guys". engage with individuals honestly and directly.

i can only speak for myself and i feel the need to make that clear because i know you [I]love[/I] to conflate and associate the extreme side and views of any issue with whomever you're engaging with here. hamas aren't my heros, just to clarify. :rolleyes: so can we establish that much and move on? you wamt to stoop to this trivial shit? are we really doing this?

...because i recall you stating that you don't want to be conflated with the pro-israelis out there that are quick point the anti-semitic finger at the slightest criticism of israel. fine, fair enough. completely understandable and reasonable. but don't turn around and be a hypocrite too - either that or just *ucking own your hypocrisy.

you didn't answer my question. if hamas removes themselves from power, hands gaza over to a "neutral" government, whatever that my end up being as well as of course release the remaining hostages, should the united states push israel to work towards a two state solution? or will be just revert back to the way it was before oct 7th and continue to allow israel to keep their boot on the neck of these people until?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037468]No TDS whatsoever here.... just funny you think that this was nothing more than " no negotiations or anything is needed, just wait it out cause Hamas will eventually give up" situation going on there.[/QUOTE]

There certainly is TDS. I was giving my thoughts on the matter with nothing pointed at Trump whatsoever. Just the big picture thoughts. I even stated that this was a good thing twice. TWO TIMES.

But because I didn’t specifically praise Trump in the post you got in your feels.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15037488]There certainly is TDS. I was giving my thoughts on the matter with nothing pointed at Trump whatsoever. Just the big picture thoughts. I even stated that this was a good thing twice. TWO TIMES.

But because I didn’t specifically praise Trump in the post you got in your feels.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't looking for you to praise him, just it's ridiculous for you to claim that nothing had to be done by anyone. That all that needed to be done was to sit back, hurry up and wait till Hamas contacts who they need to ...to say "the war is over and here's where we'll meet for a prisoner swap." It's just dumb logic, chico.

Imagine being President and telling families of prisoners... "just wait, they'll be dropped off sooner or later"

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037491]I wasn't looking for you to praise him, [B]just it's ridiculous for you to claim that nothing had to be done by anyone[/B]. That all that needed to be done was to sit back, hurry up and wait till Hamas contacts who they need to ...to say "the war is over and here's where we'll meet for a prisoner swap." It's just dumb logic, chico.

Imagine being President and telling families of prisoners... "just wait, they'll be dropped off sooner or later"[/QUOTE]

That's not what I said. Yes I do believe that their surrender was ultimately inevitable, but that it's good that it happened now and it DID require action to a degree. However, they had very little leverage in any deal and likely knew this. Basically, something..ANYTHING had to be brought to the table and they would agree at this point.

Should have happened a while ago but I think it took some of the public questioning Netanyahu and the IDF for Israel to accept this as well. If people weren't divided and everyone was staunchly pro-Israel in this conflict then this likely doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037487]why are you always being glib? do you want to have an honest discussion on the subject or is all that's important to you is the drama side of it? what's your focus gonna be bro? substance or dramatics?



why do you assume that you know where i stand on this?

there is no "you guys". engage with individuals honestly and directly.

i can only speak for myself and i feel the need to make that clear because i know you [I]love[/I] to conflate and associate the extreme side and views of any issue with whomever you're engaging with here. hamas aren't my heros, just to clarify. :rolleyes: so can we establish that much and move on? you wamt to stoop to this trivial shit? are we really doing this?

...because i recall you stating that you don't want to be conflated with the pro-israelis out there that are quick point the anti-semitic finger at the slightest criticism of israel. fine, fair enough. completely understandable and reasonable. but don't turn around and be a hypocrite too - either that or just *ucking own your hypocrisy.

you didn't answer my question. if hamas removes themselves from power, hands gaza over to a "neutral" government, whatever that my end up being as well as of course release the remaining hostages, should the united states push israel to work towards a two state solution? or will be just revert back to the way it was before oct 7th and continue to allow israel to keep their boot on the neck of these people until?[/QUOTE]

If Hamas is removed from power and the new government shows interest in peacefully co-existing, why wouldn't Israel try and cut a deal? They've been trying for decades now but every single proposal has been rejected.

You'll have to forgive me being "glib" because just a few short months ago half this forum became totally unhinged. They swore up and down that we were on the verge of WW3 and that Darth Bibi was going to summon american soldiers to die on behalf of Israel and carry out his bloodthirsty conquest. Fast forward to present day and now we're talking about a peace deal in the entire region.

Having an honest discussion means admitting you were wrong and jumped the gun.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15037497]That's not what I said. Yes I do believe that their surrender was ultimately inevitable, but that it's good that it happened now and it DID require action to a degree. However, they had very little leverage in any deal and likely knew this. Basically, something..ANYTHING had to be brought to the table and they would agree at this point.

Should have happened a while ago but I think it took some of the public questioning Netanyahu and the IDF for Israel to accept this as well. If people weren't divided and everyone was staunchly pro-Israel in this conflict then this likely doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]

As I said a few days ago. This guy obviously has problems functionally understanding what he reads. Would explain alot of his angry posts.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15037541]As I said a few days ago. This guy obviously has problems functionally understanding what he reads. Would explain alot of his angry posts.[/QUOTE]

What didn't I understand?

He suggested nothing needed to be done cause it would've ended anyways. You agreeing with him is dumb, but you're both on the same side so not surprising that you agree with "dont worry, Hamas will eventually give up" strategy.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15037541]As I said a few days ago. This guy obviously has problems functionally understanding what he reads. Would explain alot of his angry posts.[/QUOTE]

Still :lol

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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15037558]Still :lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]but that it's good that it happened now and it DID require action to a degree[/QUOTE]
:lol

I definitely read you changing your tune correctly.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037561]:lol

I definitely read you changing your tune correctly.[/QUOTE]

Further explaining myself because you took my initial comment the wrong way (maybe it was partially my fault for not being clear) is not me changing my tune. My stance is the same. I explained further and you still seem confused.

How can "the war would've eventually ended anyways" be read the wrong way??

If you meant something else, then that's on you. Not my fault you fukked up, all I did was point it out while you eventually back tracked and changed what you said.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037566][B]How can "the war would've eventually ended anyways" be read the wrong way??[/B]

If you meant something else, then that's on you. Not my fault you fukked up, all I did was point it out while you eventually back tracked and changed what you said.[/QUOTE]

I said that because it's true. I also said I was glad that it happened now. What I didn't say, and what you incorrectly took from what I said, is that nothing needed to be done. And this is because you perceived me saying that as slighting Trump and his legendary deal-making capabilities. I know this because you mentioned Kamala in the first few words.

Both sides were under enormous pressure to call this off. Hamas because they were objectively losing and Israel because the international zeitgeist was starting to shift away from supporting them and the IDF tactics. Neither had much leverage in the long run and accepting this ceasefire deal was in the best interest of both.

How about this:

[QUOTE]This was always going to happen though[/QUOTE]

..Hamas was always going agree to back out as soon as a deal was in place that Israel would accept. They had already lost and it would be in their best interest. Glad it happened sooner than later.

THAT is what I meant. Happy?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037566]How can "the war would've eventually ended anyways" be read the wrong way??

If you meant something else, then that's on you. Not my fault you fukked up, all I did was point it out while you eventually back tracked and changed what you said.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit. You really have to lay out stuff for you like for a six year old right?

War would've ended anyway.
Would've taken longer.
Hostages would've been dead.
More palis would've been dead.
[B]Good job by the Trump admin.[/B]
That spared alot of lives.

Got it? Highlighted the most important part for you.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037536]If Hamas is removed from power and the new government shows interest in peacefully co-existing, why wouldn't Israel try and cut a deal? They've been trying for decades now but every single proposal has been rejected.

You'll have to forgive me being "glib" because just a few short months ago half this forum became totally unhinged. They swore up and down that we were on the verge of WW3 and that Darth Bibi was going to summon american soldiers to die on behalf of Israel and carry out his bloodthirsty conquest. Fast forward to present day and now we're talking about a peace deal in the entire region.

Having an honest discussion means admitting you were wrong and jumped the gun.[/QUOTE]

right so address those individuals [U]directly[/U]. surely you have their posts bookmarked or logged given how adamant you are about holding people to account around here. link their exact words that match what you just outlined and put their asses in check. half the forum, right? you've got your work cut out for you.

...or is this just another "yOu GuYz"!!! with your [U]blanket[/U], low effort finger pointing. "who's gone and criticized israel here??? yeah - they're a part of what i'm talking about"! :rolleyes:

man your schtick is underwhelming. it's so uninteresting bro.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037587]right so address those individuals [U]directly[/U]. surely you have their posts bookmarked or logged given how adamant you are about holding people to account around here. link their exact words that match what you just outlined and put their asses in check. half the forum, right? you've got your work cut out for you.

[/QUOTE]

so have you begun work on this project? or are you going to continue with the "you guys" schtick to make your arguments?

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037644]so have you begun work on this project? or are you going to continue with the "you guys" schtick to make your arguments?[/QUOTE]

You asked for it:

[QUOTE=diamenz;15013737]will we be pulled in if israel proceeds? of course we will. just put it on our national credit card.

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gas prices about to skyrocket like you've never seen. stay tuned, fellow americans...

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/11/us/politics/iran-us-iraq-diplomats-middle-east.html"]Israel Appears Ready to Attack Iran, Officials in U.S. and Europe Say[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15013955]iran's missle program is the wild card here. if it's as impressive as some have said it is, israelis better be hunkered down.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/WbPHwZr/Screenshot-20250612-214151.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15014111]yup. worst case scenario, if or when iran retaliates, beholden us politicians will use it as an excuse to go nuts on msm calling iran's attack "unprovoked"! and start the propaganda campaign to lead [B]us[/B] into the conflict.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15014225]...that's not to mention the thousands of [B]non-combat[/B] troops that we currently have stationed throughout the region who are sitting ducks [B]right now[/B]. but you'd [B]like them[/B] to get hit wouldn't you, chewing - that way we'd be [B]forced [/B]to join into the fray with israel in their aggression.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015533]our "representative" in the region? of what exactly? mass murder and ethnic cleansing?

you're asking me if china's interests in keeping their economy stable and humming is comparable to the so called intelligence that we get from israel in regard to things like iraqi wmd's and failing to prevent some broke ass thugs from carrying out oct 7th?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015739]we can't rule out of the possibility that israel may use a low-yield nuclear weapon in order to inflict sufficient enough damage on the two main underground nuclear facilities that everyone is talking about if the 30,000lbs bombs don't get the job done or there's the off chance that they won't.[/QUOTE]


^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037649]You asked for it:














^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.[/QUOTE]

what a fukking meltdown. get some help.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037649]You asked for it:














^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.[/QUOTE]

:lol. this holds me to account on absolutely nothing.

what, you think our "quarrels" with iran are over with? you're really gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face that this shit is over with. so what happens when we get "word" that iraq, er excuse me - [I]iran[/I] has renewed their nuclear program?

do you not believe that it's currently part of the israeli's government agenda to enact regime change in iran in interest of their national security? or are we just going to bunker buster bomb them until eternity. just how naive do you have to be to think we've seen the end to this conflict?

so who's the one that's full of shit? although i do commend your efforts to hold my feet to the fire. someone has to be the arbiter of accountability, truth and hypocrisy around here. but who's watching the watchman?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037649]You asked for it:














^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.[/QUOTE]

Destroyed him :applause:

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037654]:lol. this holds me to account on absolutely nothing.

what, you think our "quarrels" with iran are over with? you're really gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face that this shit is over with. so what happens when we get "word" that iraq, er excuse me - [I]iran[/I] has renewed their nuclear program?

do you not believe that it's currently part of the israeli's government agenda to enact regime change in iran in interest of their national security? or are we just going to bunker buster bomb them until eternity. just how naive do you have to be to think we've seen the end to this conflict?

so who's the one that's full of shit? although i do commend your efforts to hold my feet to the fire. someone has to be the arbiter of accountability, truth and hypocrisy around here. but who's watching the watchman?[/QUOTE]

Destroyed him :applause:

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037654]:lol. this holds me to account on absolutely nothing.

what, you think our "quarrels" with iran are over with? you're really gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face that this shit is over with. so what happens when we get "word" that iraq, er excuse me - [I]iran[/I] has renewed their nuclear program?

do you not believe that it's currently part of the israeli's government agenda to enact regime change in iran in interest of their national security? or are we just going to bunker buster bomb them until eternity. just how naive do you have to be to think we've seen the end to this conflict?

so who's the one that's full of shit? although i do commend your efforts to hold my feet to the fire. someone has to be the arbiter of accountability, truth and hypocrisy around here. but who's watching the watchman?[/QUOTE]

Of course the goal is regime change. What are you fukking retarded? What else could it be? You think Israel is the only one that wants regime change in Iran? You're aware the U.S. has other allies in the middle east beyond Israel right?

"But what if Iran strikes back!?!?"

Uh, if Iran tries to get cute it gets the hose again. What exactly is so confusing about this. Even if they tried, this most recent FAFO set them back at least a decade.

Trump and the other leaders made it clear to Iran that a prosperous future awaits if they are willing to become more moderate. It's either that or they could keep fighting and getting their shit pushed in to eternity. You should see pictures of Iran in the 70's before the islamic revolution, it looked like a normal country once.

Seriously, WHAT THE F*CK are you even complaining about???

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037740][B]Of course the goal is regime change[/B]. What are you fukking retarded? What else could it be? You think Israel is the only one that wants regime change in Iran? You're aware the U.S. has other allies in the middle east beyond Israel right?

"But what if Iran strikes back!?!?"

Uh, if Iran tries to get cute it gets the hose again. What exactly is so confusing about this. Even if they tried, this most recent FAFO set them back at least a decade.

Trump and the other leaders made it clear to Iran that a prosperous future awaits if they are willing to become more moderate. It's either that or they could keep fighting and getting their shit pushed in to eternity. You should see pictures of Iran in the 70's before the islamic revolution, it looked like a normal country once.

Seriously, WHAT THE F*CK are you even complaining about???[/QUOTE]

can you not appreciate my concern over our potential involvement in a forced regime change given our history? look, if israel goes it all on their own then *uck it, have at it. if it's coerced with our assistance then i might say something negative but i'm not going to go out of my way to trip out about it.

but let's be real - if it happens, it will be through military force and it [I]will[/I] involve us and i certainly don't believe that limiting our involvement to sea & air will win the day.


...and if you're quick to assume that it will be any easier than iraq, well then i'll just say that you're a very optimistic fellow.