Ace Bailey is legit

Classic case of someone deciding not to concede vs reaching for straws to argue. Durant freshman season is argued as one of the all time greatest freshman seasons in HISTORY. I’ve never ever ever heard anyone speak on it being a “weaker” college in reference to his season. Like I said your energy wasn’t like this before when it came to Ace. How a summer league/preseason has you making these argument is beyond me. And you admit you didn’t even watch Ace play. Soooooo I’m lost at the replies here. Tontoz has without a doubt watched Ace a lot becuase we were in the thread with Cooper Flagg speaking on it. As he was a huge Dylan Harper fan.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037901]Classic case of someone deciding not to concede vs reaching for straws to argue. Durant freshman season is argued as one of the all time greatest freshman seasons in HISTORY. I’ve never ever ever heard anyone speak on it being a “weaker” college in reference to his season. Like I said your energy wasn’t like this before when it came to Ace. How a summer league/preseason has you making these argument is beyond me. And you admit you didn’t even watch Ace play. Soooooo I’m lost at the replies here. Tontoz has without a doubt watched Ace a lot becuase we were in the thread with Cooper Flagg speaking on it. As he was a huge Dylan Harper fan.[/QUOTE]

Bill simmons compared aces game to kds. Not sure what kds freshman year has to do with ace becoming great? Malone and stockton are too of the greats despite not being ncaa player of the year. Gobert went from project at 21 to the best player on his team within a year. College basketball is certainly better now with nil and the tranfer portal leading to more guys staying in school longer. Be hard to argue that but you seem to have the energy to do so. I linked you to my comments after his 2nd game. Trade lauri and build around ace. Not sure what has changed other than he continued to show out in pre season. :coleman:

Based on research by ESPN's John Gasaway, the average age of NCAA men's basketball players was significantly younger in the mid-2000s compared to last season. The average age has steadily increased over the past decade due to factors like the transfer portal and the granting of extra eligibility because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037915]Based on research by ESPN's John Gasaway, the average age of NCAA men's basketball players was significantly younger in the mid-2000s compared to last season. The average age has steadily increased over the past decade due to factors like the transfer portal and the granting of extra eligibility because of the COVID-19 pandemic.[/QUOTE]

That's not going to make a 50% difference in production.

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[QUOTE=tontoz;15037917]That's not going to make a 50% difference in production.

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Again not sure what durant at 18 has to do with ace being great :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037918]Again not sure what durant at 18 has to do with ace being great :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

You are the one who brought up the KD comparison.

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[QUOTE=tontoz;15037919]You are the one who brought up the KD comparison.

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Bill simmons did. I posted a link. Comparing players doesnt mean he thinks hes as good as durant or will be. Kd is his favorite player so not surprising that he would see similarities in their games. Hes already bigger than kd so he will certainly be a different player

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037920]Bill simmons did. I posted a link. Comparing players doesnt mean he thinks hes as good as durant or will be. Kd is his favorite player so not surprising that he would see similarities in their games. Hes already bigger than kd so he will certainly be a different player[/QUOTE]


Do you really think Bill Simmons was watching Rutgers games?

Some sources aren't worth posting. There are countless videos about the draft and Ace and nobody was comparing him to KD.

So Simmons is making the comparison based on what, preseason highlights?

:facepalm

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037921]Do you really think Bill Simmons was watching Rutgers games?

Some sources aren't worth posting. There are countless videos about the draft and Ace and nobody was comparing him to KD.

So Simmons is making the comparison based on what, preseason highlights?

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Why would he base his opinions on what he did a year ago against college kids when he could watch what he is doing against the best players in the world? Jabari parker was probably considered better than ace at duke. Only one person on ish thinks jabari was a great nba player

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037922]Why would he base his opinions on what he did a year ago against college kids when he could watch what he is doing against the best players in the world? Jabari parker was probably considered better than ace at duke. Only one person on ish thinks jabari was a great nba player[/QUOTE]

so you think you can learn more about a player from 2 preseason games than from an entire college season?

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Jabari is actually a better comp for Ace than Durant.

Playing nba basketball against some of the best players vs playing college ball against guys that mostly will never play in the nba? Yeah i will go for nba pre season anyday. A big reason the age limit is 19 is because they wanted more info on guys than high school. I want more info than big 10 basketball or summer league. Next week i will get even more info. If a team has an nba program like byu it will be more meaningful and why they have one of the top two players in next years draft. Playing zone or against zone with all the other rules and styles of play doesnt always translate. Watching ace in the no touch league shows me a lot more

Already better than jabari. He plays d

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037924]Playing nba basketball against some of the best players vs playing college ball against guys that mostly will never play in the nba? Yeah i will go for nba pre season anyday. A big reason the age limit is 19 is because they wanted more info on guys than high school. I want more info than big 10 basketball or summer league. Next week i will get even more info. If a team has an nba program like byu it will be more meaningful and why they have one of the top two players in next years draft. Playing zone or against zone with all the other rules and styles of play doesnt always translate. Watching ace in the no touch league shows me a lot more[/QUOTE]



:lol


Teams aren't even trying to win in preseason. They are playing guys who won't even be in the rotation once the season starts.

Ace has similar issues to Jabari. Limited creation off the dribble and a dismal assist to turnover ratio.

You aren't going to learn squat about a player from watching preseason highlights.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037926]:lol


Teams aren't even trying to win in preseason. They are playing guys who won't even be in the rotation once the season starts.

Ace has similar issues to Jabari. Limited creation off the dribble and a dismal assist to turnover ratio.

You aren't going to learn squat about a player from watching preseason highlights.[/QUOTE]

I watched the games not the highlites. Kd looked like kd. Sengun looked like sengun. Wemby looked like wemby. Certainly learn more from that than what he does against nortwesterns 2 3 zone and their future gleaguers. Maybe he will suck once the season starts like jabari. I doubt it. I know talent. He has has IT. I saw it with stockton day 1. Jazz didnt figure it out for a while. Saw it with ace game two in july. Best player in utah since gobert certainly. Could pass dantley on their mt. Rushmore :rockon:

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037927]I watched the games not the highlites. Kd looked like kd. Sengun looked like sengun. Wemby looked like wemby. Certainly learn more from that than what he does against nortwesterns 2 3 zone and their future gleaguers. Maybe he will suck once the season starts like jabari. I doubt it. I know talent. He has has IT. I saw it with stockton day 1. Jazz didnt figure it out for a while. Saw it with ace game two in july. Best player in utah since gobert certainly. Could pass dantley on their mt. Rushmore :rockon:[/QUOTE]



Jabari's college numbers were virtually identical to Ace, except he was a more efficient scorer.

If you actually watched the games you would know that they didn't face a lot of zone.

I bet you didn't even notice that Ace attempted only 3 foul shots total in preseason.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037928]Jabari's college numbers were virtually identical to Ace, except he was a more efficient scorer.

If you actually watched the games you would know that they didn't face a lot of zone.

I bet you didn't even notice that Ace attempted only 3 foul shots total in preseason.[/QUOTE]

Not too concerned with that. They have him playing the 2 as well which wont be his position once the tanking crap stops. He loves basketball and puts in the work. Will only get better.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037931]Not too concerned with that. They have him playing the 2 as well which wont be his position once the tanking crap stops. He loves basketball and puts in the work. Will only get better.[/QUOTE]

I hope so, because his college TS of 53.6% definitely needs improvement. He will be going up against much better defenders once the real games start.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037932]I hope so, because his college TS of 53.6% definitely needs improvement. He will be going up against much better defenders once the real games start.[/QUOTE]

And he will have better players around him. Hasnt played with 2 starters kessler or collier. Just a bit with lauri. Stockton supposedly couldnt shoot when he joined the league. Gobert was supposedly just long.. karl malone played for a small college. Talent and work goes a long way

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037933]And he will have better players around him. Hasnt played with 2 starters kessler or collier. Just a bit with lauri. Stockton supposedly couldnt shoot when he joined the league. Gobert was supposedly just long.. karl malone played for a small college. Talent and work goes a long way[/QUOTE]

Ace played with Harper who routinely drew double teams making things easier for Ace.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037935]Ace played with Harper who routinely drew double teams making things easier for Ace.[/QUOTE]

Now he will have 4 nba players around him not 1

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037937]Now he will have 4 nba players around him not 1[/QUOTE]

None of them are as talented as Harper. He was shredding teams early in the season when they were trying to guard him with one man.

He had 35 pt games on back to back nights early in the season, the second one against Alabama with a very strong defense.

I like Ace but he is more of a project than you realize.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037938]None of them are as talented as Harper. He was shredding teams early in the season when they were trying to guard him with one man.

He had 35 pt games on back to back nights early in the season, the second one against Alabama with a very strong defense.

I like Ace but he is more of a project than you realize.[/QUOTE]

Harper looked good coming off spurs bench

Projects dont go 5th in draft

Or shouldnt anyway. Their top pick from last year looks like a project

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037939]Harper looked good coming off spurs bench

Projects dont go 5th in draft[/QUOTE]

Sarr went number 2 and he is a project. Ditto Wiseman, a project that never worked out. Ditto Marvin Bagley.In fact there have been a lot of top 5 picks that end up as busts, and many others that never became good.

ever heard of Ron Holland? He went 5th last year.

Sarr was the best rookie i saw last year. Sarr for keyonte george and and cody williams?

So everyone is a superstar, scrub or project with you? 13 pts 8 boards 2 ass 2 blocks is a rotation player probably a starter. Obviously will have to improve his effociency

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037943]Sarr was the best rookie i saw last year. Sarr for keyonte george and and cody williams?[/QUOTE]


Sarr was legit awful last year. Couldn't defend centers at all and his scoring efficiency was horrible. A 48% TS isn't a good look for a 7 footer.

They aren't going to trade him lol but he has a lot to work on. Oddly enough the one thing he did well, after an awful start, was shoot 3s

[QUOTE=tontoz;15037945]Sarr was legit awful last year. Couldn't defend centers at all and his scoring efficiency was horrible. A 48% TS isn't a good look for a 7 footer.

They aren't going to trade him lol but he has a lot to work on. Oddly enough the one thing he did well, after an awful start, was shoot 3s[/QUOTE]

Looked great when i saw him. Weaker draft than this year. Ace would have went 1st

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037946]Looked great when i saw him. Weaker draft than this year. Ace would have went 1st[/QUOTE]

I argued with a lot of people on a draft board who thinks Ace will be a bust. His advanced stats don't look good. They certainly don't look like a number 1 pick.

His BPM of 4.5 isn't good and doesn't project to a franchise player. Tre was at 7.7. Flagg was at 16.3.

I don't view advanced stats as gospel when evaluating freshman but they are instructive.

Jesus Christ this is cringe lol Yes bill simmons compared Ace to Durant and guess what you did?

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037951]Jesus Christ this is cringe lol Yes bill simmons compared Ace to Durant and guess what you did?[/QUOTE]

Posted a l]ink about it? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037953]Posted a l]ink about it? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

And you tried to diminish KD freshman season and argue Ace faced tougher competition. All the while never watching either play. lol

Just enjoy Ace man. Utah got a nice talent thanks to Ace agent f*cking off his draft stock. If he’s anything like prime George in Indy that would be nice. Need to really see what he’s made of before the Durant comparison isn’t a reach. Should be able to tell by year 3. Lots of time. Lots of opportunity.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037951]Jesus Christ this is cringe lol Yes bill simmons compared Ace to Durant and guess what you did?[/QUOTE]

I do have respect for Bill Simmons even if I disagree but I think that comp was definitely a hot take and slightly in jest.

Durant was far more advanced as an overall scorer at the same age. Doesn’t mean Ace won’t be. 30ppg guy someday. It’s possible. But with Durant it was a borderline certainty.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037958]And you tried to diminish KD freshman season and argue Ace faced tougher competition. All the while never watching either play. lol

Just enjoy Ace man. Utah got a nice talent thanks to Ace agent f*cking off his draft stock. If he’s anything like prime George in Indy that would be nice. Need to really see what he’s made of before the Durant comparison isn’t a reach. Should be able to tell by year 3. Lots of time. Lots of opportunity.[/QUOTE]

You really want to argue that college basketball isnt better now? Players are staying in college longer. Equals better product. Hard to argue otherwise but you seem to have the enrgy for nonsense. I have watched every minute baily has played since july including against the guy he has patterned his game after ld. Imagine someone thinking your game reminds them of yoir hero who influenced your game :facepalm

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037974]You really want to argue that college basketball isnt better now? Players are staying in college longer. Equals better product. Hard to argue otherwise but you seem to have the enrgy for nonsense. I have watched every minute baily has played since july including against the guy he has patterned his game after ld. Imagine someone thinking your game reminds them of yoir hero who influenced your game :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Imagine someone who didn’t watch Ace Bailey play attempting to argue today’s game in college is better than when Durant played. Imagine the same person saying Durant played in a weaker conference. The issue here? How can you argue and be so adamant about something you don’t watch in 2025 no less 2006? Your whole argument is players stating in college longer = better product. Then have the nerve to say it’s hard to argue it when you don’t even follow college basketball. Cringe. There’s something with you where you simply can’t concede. You simply can say “I don’t know”, “I’m not sure”, “Hard for me to speak on the topic”. Whatever is in your DNA makeup doesn’t allow it.

Ace Bailey's offensive potential?

[video=youtube;e8_iSAZp3U8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_iSAZp3U8[/video]

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037873]Not sure what you were watching but big 10 was 2nd best conference and rutgers had 8th toughest schedule in the country[/QUOTE]

You never watched college basketball last season. You never watched teams in the big 10 last season. You never watched Rutgers play all season. But you type this to someone who has. And then want to argue on it. That’s weird to me. And you don’t see it.

I once was an avid baseball fan and my interest dwindled significantly to where I couldn’t name the top 10 players in the game today. I know Ohtani is the best player but I’m not even confident saying that becuase I couldn’t argue it vs someone who follows baseball today. I damn sure won’t run to links supporting my claim on a sport I hardly follow anymore just to be “right”. In the baseball thread I do a lot of reading or asking others their thoughts on who is the best (why). Rarely argue or challenge opinions. Give it a try. You might learn something from those who actually are in tune with what’s going on. Just some advice. Even tho I know it’s something you will hardly take. Because you convinced yourself you can be knowledgeable on something you didn’t watch. “Hard to argue that”.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037977]You never watched college basketball last season. You never watched teams in the big 10 last season. You never watched Rutgers play all season. But you type this to someone who has. And then want to argue on it. That’s weird to me. And you don’t see it.

I once was an avid baseball fan and my interest dwindled significantly to where I couldn’t name the top 10 players in the game today. I know Ohtani is the best player but I’m not even confident saying that becuase I couldn’t argue it vs someone who follows baseball today. I damn sure won’t run to links supporting my claim on a sport I hardly follow anymore just to be “right”. In the baseball thread I do a lot of reading or asking others their thoughts on who is the best (why). Rarely argue or challenge opinions. Give it a try. You might learn something from those who actually are in tune with what’s going on. Just some advice. Even tho I know it’s something you will hardly take. Because you convinced yourself you can be knowledgeable on something you didn’t watch. “Hard to argue that”.[/QUOTE]

The person that supposedly did watch them said they had a weak schedule. 8th toughest in the country in the 2nd toughest conference. I watch my ncaa team. I know players are older which means better. But hey keep bringing that energy and tell me otherwise! I saw lots of mannys new fave demin and i saw the sixers pick. They didnt impress me like ace but maybe they will in the nba? :lol

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15037976]Ace Bailey's offensive potential?

[video=youtube;e8_iSAZp3U8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_iSAZp3U8[/video][/QUOTE]

Porter would be disappointing. Has a lot more two way potential and offensive versatility

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037975]Imagine someone who didn’t watch Ace Bailey play attempting to argue today’s game in college is better than when Durant played. Imagine the same person saying Durant played in a weaker conference. The issue here? How can you argue and be so adamant about something you don’t watch in 2025 no less 2006? Your whole argument is players stating in college longer = better product. Then have the nerve to say it’s hard to argue it when you don’t even follow college basketball. Cringe. There’s something with you where you simply can’t concede. You simply can say “I don’t know”, “I’m not sure”, “Hard for me to speak on the topic”. Whatever is in your DNA makeup doesn’t allow it.[/QUOTE]

It is possible that durant played in a tougher conference since the big 12 is usually the best but unlikely since the ncaa is better now because the players are older. Common sense which i guess is something you lack. I didnt watch the sixers more than twice last year but i know they sucked :cheers: