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[video=youtube;KP-CRXROorw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-CRXROorw[/video]
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That's interesting x8
but what's it got to do with AIPAC?
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[QUOTE=Baller234;15038345]
[video=youtube;KP-CRXROorw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-CRXROorw[/video]
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That's interesting x8
but what's it got to do with AIPAC?
[QUOTE=diamenz;15038303]so do you support israel 'claiming' land from the mediterranean sea to the jordan river (namely gaza and judea & samaria aka the west bank) as rightfully theirs as well as all that it entails to achieve that goal, in particular the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of palestinians currently residing there?
just to be clear, i'm not making the argument that israel is currently in the process of or are intent on doing so however, it is clearly stated in the likud party's platform that:
"between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".
in other words what i'm asking is, do you believe that land is rightfully theirs (israel's) and if the netanyahu government or other future likud party administrations do indeed take action to fulfill their ideology in completely annexing the west bank as well as ultimately driving palestinians out of gaza by force and subsequently claiming that land with or without our assistance, do you support it, along with the death and destruction that would inarguably be involved in the process?
i get the feeling that you do at least to some extent given your questioning @ ShawkFactory but what i wonder is how far you're willing to go.
or do you believe ultimately in achieving a two state solution where that land is 'shared' in some way or another?[/QUOTE]
@Baller234
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15038786]That's interesting x8
but what's it got to do with AIPAC?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't.
I was responding to an argument about labels of zionism. Maybe if you actually read the post you wouldn't have asked this question.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15038788]@Baller234[/QUOTE]
Uh, Israel has tried to negotiate a two state solution in the past but all of their efforts were rejected. I am in favor of whichever arrangement brings peace and co-existence in the region. No I do not think Israel should be able to just bully anyone they please and claim land for their own over some thousand year old claim.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15038708]I'm saying it's obvious you guys don't get out much and don't travel, because it's weird for a bunch of grown adults your age living in America to have never met a jewish person in real life.
And it shows in the way you talk about them, like they're some unique and rare creature. Like they aren't just normal people like you.[/QUOTE]
You cant even disagree about anything.
Im just telling you what Israel is.
This is well documented.
People born with a superiority complex are not like me, no. You should watch hamzah on IG or TikTok, hes talking to Israelis over omegle and the likes and its scary how theyre raised.
Brandon Tatum was just in Israel and then had a TV interview with Netanyahu and said he only got spat on once for his Christian cross.
But I dont get out enough.
You live in delulu land.
This is how non Boomer/chewing type Fox News Conservatives view Israel.
Theres nothing based about them.
I even forgot to say theyre super pro-Migration, in Europe and America, as long as its not their own country.
Their own culture must be protected but theyre all for diluting Christianitys.
Every single Rabbi is for Immigration in the West.
Look at all these petitions signed by 1000+ rabbis :lol
[url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-rabbis-urge-leaders-to-welcome-refugees/[/url] 2015
[url]https://forward.com/fast-forward/325883/over-1-000-us-rabbis-petition-lawmakers-to-welcome-refugees/[/url]
[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/more-than-1-000-rabbis-call-on-united-states-to-welcome-refugees-a6759091.html[/url]
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/03/1000-american-rabbis-sign-letter-welcoming-syrian-refugees/[/url]
[url]https://hias.org/statements/1500-rabbis-sign-national-letter-calling-welcoming-refugees/#:~:text=1%2C500+%20Rabbis%20Sign%20National%20Letter%20Calling%20for%20Welcoming%20Refugees%20%7C%20HIAS[/url] 2017
[url]https://forward.com/fast-forward/428309/over-1-400-rabbis-sign-letter-supporting-asylum-seekers/[/url] 2019
2025, opposing deportations:
[url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-50-ny-rabbis-implore-mayor-and-governor-to-oppose-mass-deportations/[/url]
[url]https://truah.org/resources/rabbinic-letter-against-asylum-seeker-deportations/[/url]
[IMG]https://truah.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Eytan_Kenter_Liz_Bolton_Asylum_Seeker_Letter_Delivery.jpg[/IMG]
thats rrr3 and the likes level lmao
Watch them announce it:
[url]https://streamable.com/eehssl[/url]
hahaha
[QUOTE=Baller234;15038708]I'm saying it's obvious you guys don't get out much and don't travel, because it's weird for a bunch of grown adults your age living in America to have never met a jewish person in real life.
And it shows in the way you talk about them, like they're some unique and rare creature. Like they aren't just normal people like you.[/QUOTE]
There's a huge amount of middle ground between not giving a fvck and uprooting one's life and family to move to another country based on an ideal.
Arby it's clear you've never been to New York, Florida, LA or anywhere on the coasts. You definitely grew up in the midwest or something where the makeup was 95% white and you've never left. You've never been to a city. Your entire worldview when it comes to joos is informed by podcasters and edgelord comedians on the right.
And once again you're attributing a characteristic to joos that can be attributed to every other group. Fukk you mean joos are the only ones with a superiority complex? You mean like "christ is king"? You mean like "kill the infidels"?
Yes it's very obvious you've never been around joos. Might even bet you've never been around black people much either.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038932]There's a huge amount of middle ground between not giving a fvck and uprooting one's life and family to move to another country based on an ideal.[/QUOTE]
Who said you have to move out of your country?
Why don't all the people in America who believe they live on stolen land just switch places? Why not give the natives back what they claim is stolen and go live on the reservation?
They claim to feel so much guilt and so much responsibility. Have any of them donated a single dime to the cause? How many of them have ever volunteered their time or their services to make up for what our evil ancestors did to the poor natives?
Oh wait, you mean they're just talking shit online for likes? You mean they're just making signs and attending protests and performing for social media?
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15038974]Who said you have to move out of your country?
Why don't all the people in America who believe they live on stolen land just switch places? Why not give the natives back what they claim is stolen and go live on the reservation?
They claim to feel so much guilt and so much responsibility. Have any of them donated a single dime to the cause? How many of them have ever volunteered their time or their services to make up for what our evil ancestors did to the poor natives?
Oh wait, you mean they're just talking shit online for likes? You mean they're just making signs and attending protests and performing for social media?
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Okay...
Take what I said and replace "move to a different country" to "move to a reservation".
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038976]Okay...
Take what I said and replace "move to a different country" to "move to a reservation".[/QUOTE]
If someone genuinely believes that they inherited stolen land, and they feel that strongly about it, what's stopping them?
What are you prepared to give back? What are you prepared to sacrifice? If the answer is nothing then congratulations you're just another selfish and privileged beneficiary of evil european colonialism. You're the bad guy you claim to take issue with.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15039038]If someone genuinely believes that they inherited stolen land, and they feel that strongly about it, [B]what's stopping them? [/B]
What are you prepared to give back? What are you prepared to sacrifice? If the answer is nothing then congratulations you're just another selfish and privileged beneficiary of evil european colonialism. You're the bad guy you claim to take issue with.[/QUOTE]
Feasibility for one. Someone who feels that way didn't ask to be born in the situation they were in, but since they were, uprooting their life and the lives of their family isn't feasible.
As for sacrifice, what if said individual gives to native american charities and advocates aggressively for their rights?
Again, huge amounts of middle ground between saying nothing and sacrificing everything. Particularly since one of the instances in question is currently happening, with tactics being broadcasted to everyone.
It's a stupid point. Somebody can feel a certain way about something, and speak on it, without having to sacrifice everything lest they be a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15038795]Uh, Israel has tried to negotiate a two state solution in the past but all of their efforts were rejected. I am in favor of whichever arrangement brings peace and co-existence in the region. No I do not think Israel should be able to just bully anyone they please and claim land for their own over some thousand year old claim.[/QUOTE]
i appreciate the straight answer. :cheers:
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15039043]Feasibility for one. Someone who feels that way didn't ask to be born in the situation they were in, but since they were, uprooting their life and the lives of their family isn't feasible.
As for sacrifice, what if said individual gives to native american charities and advocates aggressively for their rights?
Again, huge amounts of middle ground between saying nothing and sacrificing everything. Particularly since one of the instances in question is currently happening, with tactics being broadcasted to everyone.
It's a stupid point. Somebody can feel a certain way about something, and speak on it, without having to sacrifice everything lest they be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but no. You don't get to keep something that's stolen. You don't get to keep something that doesn't belong to you. If you're directly benefiting from something you feel is immoral and wrong, you have an obligation not to partake. I promise you that most of the people "advocating" for natives have spent more at Starbucks in a year than they have in a lifetime donating to a single charity.
Awhile back Rotten Tomatoes made a push to showcase more "diversity" when it came to movie reviewers on the site. You began to see all these woke white entertainment journalists advocating for less white people so that others could be given a chance, but not a single one of them was willing to give up their own gig. They want you to make sacrifices but not them.
It costs nothing to shout "STOLEN LAND!" while you reap the benefits. Prove you're really torn up about it and give it back.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15038972]Arby it's clear you've never been to New York, Florida, LA or anywhere on the coasts. You definitely grew up in the midwest or something where the makeup was 95% white and you've never left. You've never been to a city. Your entire worldview when it comes to joos is informed by podcasters and edgelord comedians on the right.
And once again you're attributing a characteristic to joos that can be attributed to every other group. Fukk you mean joos are the only ones with a superiority complex? You mean like "christ is king"? You mean like "kill the infidels"?
Yes it's very obvious you've never been around joos. Might even bet you've never been around black people much either.[/QUOTE]
Its not the same at all.
Christians dont believe theyre the chosen people and "Christ is King" doesnt make them superior either. In fact they see themselves as sinners.
You can pull as much "I know jews and they arent like this" as you want, but the data clearly shows they have a supremacy complex and are raised on this. Most of them believe Gazans should be permanently displaced, as its their land.
Its literally within their religion. Goyim. Gentiles. This is how they refer to non-Jews. Every single rabbi can tell you that non Jews will serve Jews or already do.
And this is deeply steeped into American politics. "Israel firstest" politics.
You badly wanna attribute this thinking to me but its prevalent on the entire right wing that is sick of the Israel-orientation and doing the Jews bidding.
You cant refute a single point I made about Israel/Jews.
In fact I just saw some public jewish figure say at the 92NY jewish public culture event: "Jews built the left in this country" :D
here is the clip with commentary/research on the matter:
[url]https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQaixrqDYLV/?igsh=MWUwejBhbXE0ZHZkdA==[/url]
so based.
Im from ****ing Berlin dummie. Ive been to 30+ countries and have left my continent.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15040950]Its not the same at all.
Christians dont believe theyre the chosen people and "Christ is King" doesnt make them superior either. In fact they see themselves as sinners.
You can pull as much "I know jews and they arent like this" as you want, but the data clearly shows they have a supremacy complex and are raised on this. Most of them believe Gazans should be permanently displaced, as its their land.[/quote]
Oh so America isn't YOUR land? It was okay for YOUR people to displace natives and claim land for their own?
And you mean christians are sinners too? You don't say. I guess we're supposed to just ignore those sins because you guys claim to believe in the right god and are up front about being sinners? :oldlol:
Jews believe in sin too dummy. They just believe it to be more of a personal choice. You choose to sin, you aren't born with sin. Saying you're born with sin is like the biggest victim persecution complex there is.
And don't tell me that christians don't think they're superior when they think everyone else needs to be "saved".
[quote] Its literally within their religion. Goyim. Gentiles. This is how they refer to non-Jews. Every single rabbi can tell you that non Jews will serve Jews or already do. [/quote]
I don't really give a fukk about what some rabbi says. There are all sorts of sects and types of rabbis. Also when it comes to rabbis you are talking about the most devout and religious of the bunch, you are always going to find the extremist nuts. Don't tell me there aren't extremists nuts on your side too. Don't get me started on Islam.
[quote]And this is deeply steeped into American politics. "Israel firstest" politics.
You badly wanna attribute this thinking to me but its prevalent on the entire right wing that is sick of the Israel-orientation and doing the Jews bidding.
You cant refute a single point I made about Israel/Jews.
In fact I just saw some public jewish figure say at the 92NY jewish public culture event: "Jews built the left in this country" :D
here is the clip with commentary/research on the matter:
[url]https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQaixrqDYLV/?igsh=MWUwejBhbXE0ZHZkdA==[/url]
so based.
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Here you go with the persecution complex again. I guess we can just wash America's hands clean so long as we get to blame it on Israel and the jews.
"It wasn't us guys! It was the jews all along! They've been controlling and manipulating everything!..."
Seriously just dye your hair purple already and go protest with the woke f@ggots on the left because it looks like you're about a week away from crying about "systemic jewism" and "jew priviledge". Everything the left loves to say about white christians.
[quote][B]Im from ****ing Berlin dummie.[/B] Ive been to 30+ countries and have left my continent.[/QUOTE]
I guess this explains everything. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15039111]Sorry but no. You don't get to keep something that's stolen. You don't get to keep something that doesn't belong to you. If you're directly benefiting from something you feel is immoral and wrong, you have an obligation not to partake. I promise you that most of the people "advocating" for natives have spent more at Starbucks in a year than they have in a lifetime donating to a single charity.
Awhile back Rotten Tomatoes made a push to showcase more "diversity" when it came to movie reviewers on the site. You began to see all these woke white entertainment journalists advocating for less white people so that others could be given a chance, but not a single one of them was willing to give up their own gig. They want you to make sacrifices but not them.
It costs nothing to shout "STOLEN LAND!" while you reap the benefits. Prove you're really torn up about it and give it back.[/QUOTE]
So to sum things up: You can't even acknowledge that something was wrong without going the distance and giving up your property and life as you know it?
I mean I'm not out in the streets with picket signs but I can admit that there was some fvcked up shit that went on during the expansion of our country.
You can be happy with your life AND acknowledge you country's wrong doings. These are not mutually exclusive things.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15040963]Oh so America isn't YOUR land? It was okay for YOUR people to displace natives and claim land for their own?
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i fail to understand why you consistently use this brickwall type of argument. you stated the other day to me directly that you didn't believe israel should be allowed freew?ill to bully their neighbors and take their land yet it sounds like you're turning around and defending that behavior.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15040967]So to sum things up: You can't even acknowledge that something was wrong without going the distance and giving up your property and life as you know it?
I mean I'm not out in the streets with picket signs but I can admit that there was some fvcked up shit that went on during the expansion of our country.
You can be happy with your life AND acknowledge you country's wrong doings. These are not mutually exclusive things.[/QUOTE]
It's fair to acknowledge the injustices of history, but constantly denouncing the system without making any tangible effort to live differently can come across as performative. If you truly believes the land is stolen and the system is irredeemably unjust, yet you continue to reap the benefits and enjoy the comfort without any meaningful sacrifice, then how does that make you better than the next person?
You guys don't care about "justice" or righting the wrongs of the past. It's more about signaling moral superiority without taking responsibility or contributing to real change.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15040973]i fail to understand why you consistently use this brickwall type of argument. you stated the other day to me directly that you didn't believe israel should be allowed freew?ill to bully their neighbors and take their land yet it sounds like you're turning around and defending that behavior.[/QUOTE]
It's not about defending anything, it's simply acknowledging reality. America was built on it.
Are you saying we should all be ashamed of that fact? We shouldn't have the right to declare America as our home country because technically other people were here first?
Because that's essentially what you're saying.
dbl
[QUOTE=Baller234;15040974]It's fair to acknowledge the injustices of history, but constantly denouncing the system without making any tangible effort to live differently can come across as performative. If you truly believes the land is stolen and the system is irredeemably unjust, yet you continue to reap the benefits and enjoy the comfort without any meaningful sacrifice, then how does that make you better than the next person?
[B]You guys[/B] don't care about "justice" or righting the wrongs of the past. It's more about signaling moral superiority without taking responsibility or contributing to real change.[/QUOTE]
Who?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15040975]It's not about defending anything, it's simply acknowledging reality. America was built on it.
Are you saying we should all be ashamed of that fact? We shouldn't have the right to declare America as our home country because technically other people were here first?
Because that's essentially what you're saying.[/QUOTE]
so you stand firm with your affirmation that israel should not have the freedom to take or claim land from their neighbors as their own despite whatever ancient biblical claim they say they have to it.
so what's the problem? the argument from the people here, as i understand it, are taking issue with any apparent land expansion project beyond [I]green line[/I] israel - [I]not[/I] israel's right to exist within their [I]original[/I] 1947 borders. you agree with this sentiment - correct me if i'm wrong.
...therefore i don't understand exactly what hypocrisy you're calling these people out on.
[QUOTE]Are you saying we should all be ashamed of that fact? We shouldn't have the right to declare America as our home country because technically other people were here first?
Because that's essentially what you're saying.[/QUOTE]
i didn't say anything of the sort. i'm just trying to clarify the above.